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Voting in Ireland

  • 02-05-2008 12:23pm
    #1
    Belfast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭


    Would to be a good Idea to have an option to vote for none of the above on the ballot?
    if none of the above wins then a new election should take place without any of the people on the last ballot.


Comments

  • #2
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    I personally don't think it is a good idea to have that option ... If someone just doesn't want to vote for any of the people listed then they could either just not vote at all or worst case scenario, after going to the effort of turning up to vote, spoil your vote.


  • #3
    rockbeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭rockbeer


    I have a "none of the above" rubber stamp a friend gave me which I've found quite useful in a number of elections.


  • #4
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    well that would be one way to spoil your vote ie. by using a rubber stamp like that one


  • #5
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    There's a big difference between "none of the above" and either abstaining or spoiling your vote.

    If you abstain, you're not contributing to the "turnout" figure, and effectively voting for the winners.

    If you spoil your vote, you're contributing to the "spoiled vote" figure, and effectively voting for the winners.

    If you vote "none of the above", your vote is counted. In single-seat FPTP elections, if "none of the above" wins, the election must be re-run. In multi-seat PR/STV, it's harder to say what happens. One idea is that "none of the above" could win a seat, and that the election would have to be re-run to fill the remaining vacant seat (or seats).


  • #6
    Belfast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Belfast


    if the 10 people showed up for a job interview and none of them were suitable would you give one of the job anyway because they were the only people who applied?


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  • #7
    rockbeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭rockbeer


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    There's a big difference between "none of the above" and either abstaining or spoiling your vote.

    If you abstain, you're not contributing to the "turnout" figure, and effectively voting for the winners.

    If you spoil your vote, you're contributing to the "spoiled vote" figure, and effectively voting for the winners.

    Exactly. There is no way within our current 'democratic' structure to do any of the following:

    - Express a preference for an option that isn't explicitly listed on the ballot paper.

    - Express dissatisfaction with the available candidates in a way that will be counted and registered.

    - Express dissatisfaction with the democratic process as currently implemented in a way that will be counted and registered.

    - Cast a vote against a candidate/option that you actively don't want to win.

    All these should be valid possibilities in a truly democratic process. My rubber stamp is a small gesture to an immense democratic deficit.


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