The smoke monster

Prufrock

Well now that we have seen a fair bit of him/her/it what do you think it is? Machine? Monster?

Nice link for monster appearances (may contain spoilers):

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Monster

suppafly

I thought it was pretty cool that Ben can control it

token56

Does all this mean Ben killed Eko? That B**t

thejem

i would say yes, but i say he was weeding out people that were coming close to something.

it was a great episode though, can't wait for next week.

Mellor

But wasn't Echo on the list,

Sad Professor

Ben can't control Smokey, he just summoned him. A metaphoric Bat signal if you like. However I expect there's a price he'll have to pay for doing so, otherwise he would have called him in much sooner. If anyone "controls" Smokey it's probably Jacob.

As for what the monster actually is, I don't know, not a machine anyway and nothing to do with Dharma. I think Smokey goes back to the very origins of the island. Perhaps something to do with the island's volcano and electromagnetism.

Mellor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Ben can't control Smokey, he just summoned him. A metaphoric Bat signal if you like. However I expect there's a price he'll have to pay for doing so, otherwise he would have called him in much sooner. If anyone "controls" Smokey it's probably Jacob.

I think control was a strong word, but its more than summon also,
prehaps direct is the best. As in he directed him toards the Boaties.
As for using him sooner, prehaps that was part of the rules that Ben refered to, once they broke the rules, Ben did too

Killaqueen!!!

But why would they set out rules? Can you imagine Ben and Widmore sitting down at a kitchen table discussing this?

BEN: Ok, if we're gonna do this whole hunt thing, there's gotta be some rules. You can't kill my daughter
WIDMORE: She's not your daughter you've never had sex
BEN: Shut up
WIDMORE: But you're gay
BEN: Dude, just leave her alone
WIDMORE: Whatever. I'll leave her alone if you leave Penny alone
BEN: Deal
WIDMORE: And you can't summon Smokey
BEN: Ah cmaaan
WIDMORE: No
BEN: Cmaaaaaaaaan!
WIDMORE: NO!

Seriously like, I'm not liking this whole "He broke the rules" thing!

cooker3

I think it's probably more an unwritten code that they both knew intuitively.
Much the same way as you have a child molester in prison, first chance they are usually killed as even the hardest of criminals know that crosses the line.

Mellor

cooker3 wrote: »

I think it's probably more an unwritten code that they both knew intuitively.
Much the same way as you have a child molester in prison, first chance they are usually killed as even the hardest of criminals know that crosses the line.

Meh, common sense FTW

briantwin

I propose the smoke monster and Jacob are possibly one in the same. Remember when Locke stared down the smoke monster before it pissed off into the jungle, i'd say that it/he saw something in Locke that made him/it think twice. Possibly that Locke would be the one to save the island.

So Jacob now thinks that the islands fate no longer lies in the hands of Ben but in Lockes, thats why Jacob showed himself to Locke and not Ben. The reason why the cabin was shown to Hurley was just like everything else on the island it happens for a reason. The plane crashed so people would be there to defend it from Widmores men who had already found it and were en route when the plane went down.In that vein i think Hurley will probably play a much bigger part in the whole Jacob story arch as it progresses.

Sherifu

I think smokey is some kind of insect swarm.

Prufrock

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

WIDMORE: And you can't summon Smokey
BEN: Ah cmaaan
WIDMORE: No
BEN: Cmaaaaaaaaan!
WIDMORE: NO!

Where’s my Oscar?

I dunno. The monster seems to come out of holes in the ground. Like the one it tried to drag Locke into. Also the dynamite "hurt" it. Aside from the fence it's the only thing that has effected it that I can remember.

I'd say it's computer/machine related. It appears to have a programmed reaction to different people it meets.

Jay Ru

this theory is based on this

one thing that kind of annoyed me was when the captain asked what was on martin's arm it panned to it and you can quite clearly see it's one of these

http://www.korg.com/gear/enlarge_product.asp?prid=GA30

wtf is kemmy going to do with a guitar/bass tuner strapped to his arm?

i think that the smoke around this so called monster is caused by sonic vibrations and if the thing strapped to Kimmys arm really in a tuner, then maybe he's hoping to find out the frequency of the sonic vibrations surroundin this thing, shut it down so he can either see what he's fighting against or to destroy it. it stands to reason that if Whitmore knew where the island once was, he'd surely know of the islands not so friendly pet, and he might even know how to deal with it ie. the Darma book Kimmy pulled from the safe.

i just googled and done a wikipedia search on sonic vibrations and it seems that they can be used to make and object fly so maybe that how ol smokie moves so effortlessly thru the air!

Psychedelic

cool theory!

eddiehead

Jay Ru wrote: »

this theory is based on this



i think that the smoke around this so called monster is caused by sonic vibrations and if the thing strapped to Kimmys arm really in a tuner, then maybe he's hoping to find out the frequency of the sonic vibrations surroundin this thing, shut it down so he can either see what he's fighting against or to destroy it. it stands to reason that if Whitmore knew where the island once was, he'd surely know of the islands not so friendly pet, and he might even know how to deal with it ie. the Darma book Kimmy pulled from the safe.

i just googled and done a wikipedia search on sonic vibrations and it seems that they can be used to make and object fly so maybe that how ol smokie moves so effortlessly thru the air!

Interesting theory, but if that was the case would they not have just brought this thing on there 1st trip to the island? Surely the one thing they would have taken precautions against would be the mysterious killer black cloud thingy, i know i would.

Jay Ru

i wud of brought it to, but Ben only summoned smokie after he claims that "they broke the rules" so maybe Whitmore figured that Ben wouldn't dare to use smokie against his men and that why its only mentioned in the secondary protocol.

doctor evil

briantwin wrote: »

I propose the smoke monster and Jacob are possibly one in the same. Remember when Locke stared down the smoke monster before it pissed off into the jungle, i'd say that it/he saw something in Locke that made him/it think twice. Possibly that Locke would be the one to save the island.

So Jacob now thinks that the islands fate no longer lies in the hands of Ben but in Lockes, thats why Jacob showed himself to Locke and not Ben. The reason why the cabin was shown to Hurley was just like everything else on the island it happens for a reason. The plane crashed so people would be there to defend it from Widmores men who had already found it and were en route when the plane went down.In that vein i think Hurley will probably play a much bigger part in the whole Jacob story arch as it progresses.

Hurley could possibly pay the most by leaving the island as he is the first one to be struck down with a 'mental illness'. Everyone likes Hurley, the only altercation I can think of is when the food was found and another character wanted to know why Hugo never lost weight.

On a different angle here, why didn't the island want Hurley to lose weight?, surely hes not at a healthy one. Is it to help keep his confidence down so in ways he can be much more easily manipulated.