Fitz 500

nicryan

Who is running the event (organisation, society etc.)
Fitzwiliam Card Club

Date and Location of event
Saturday June 7th in the Fitz

Registration and Start time of event.
Registration on the day from 5, Cards in the air at 7pm.

Any prerequisites (member of club, society etc)
Club membership required.

How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (in advance, at the door etc.)
Tickets available in advance from the poker desk

Type of Tournament (Hold'em/Omaha etc Freezeout/Rebuy etc.)
NL Hold em Freezeout

Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc.
500

Cost of registration
40

% of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund
100% as always

13. Starting Chips
10k

15. Blind levels
EDIT: 45 minute clock - blind levels listed below.

Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill
yes - masterful


any further questions can be directed to either Denise in the club or to Marq and me either on here by PM or in the club.

-Nic

ghostface ste

Sounds good, any chance there will be sats for this leading up to ME?

Ollieboy

make the clock 45 and you might get people, 30 mins is a joke for 500 event now.

If there's antes included in the structure, it better be 45 mins as it takes the dealers that long to collect the blinds.

Did you see the 500 in the SE, great structure.

Please make this 45 mins.

Ace2007

glad you said it ollie, since i don't play many big buy in events, but i too thought the 30 min clock was way to short.

phantom_lord

Ollieboy wrote: »

make the clock 45 and you might get people, 30 mins is a joke for 500 event now.

If there's antes included in the structure, it better be 45 mins as it takes the dealers that long to collect the blinds.

Did you see the 500 in the SE, great structure.

Please make this 45 mins.

+1

5starpool

Ya, 45 min clock, 5pm start. Otherwise it will bomb with all the competition. Also, run sats on Thursday nights as a 70+5 FO with 6k chips, 25 min clock. Should get at least 5 tickets per night for a few weeks to boost numbers as it will be difficult to get a good showing otherwise. Also, don't give tickets to this as part of regular prize pools that would be terrible.

Also, on a side note, say up front on your scheule what tickets will be given out on nights as part of regular prize pools as it stands. This is generally not a great way to attract new punters that might play elsewhere. I don't like the whole idea of it in general.

nicryan

I'll mention it to Denise and get back to you.

-Nic

nicryan

Right I've talked to Denise and come up with a new structure. It is still going to be a 30 minute clock (look at the levels before you complain). And it will be a 2 day event if required (Day 2 being the sunday starting back at 6pm)

EDIT: Structure being changed. See later followup post for structure.


Nic

LuckyLloyd

Nic, why are you guys against the 45 minute clock out of interest? That is a nice blind and ante structure though I will admit. That said, I always think more time on the clock is better but we'll see.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Nic, why are you guys against the 45 minute clock out of interest? That is a nice blind and ante structure though I will admit. That said, I always think more time on the clock is better but we'll see.

To make room early on for cash games maybe??? Looking at the revised structure some of the levels are just stupid and still does not have as much play over the full tourney.....why not go 45 min clock and give the customers what they want.

Ollieboy

why to TD keep having to **** around with tournament structures.

The standard tournment is 10k with all levels 1 hour clock, anything above 1k event should have this as standard. Increase the clock or the starting stack. My perfer is 15k starting stack with 75/90 min clock, but over a weekend, 1 hour clock is fine with 15k starting stack.

This structure is ridiculous. You've repeat levels, so in short the structure will still play like a 45 min clock. The problem is higher blind levels increases the pressure on really tight players to start playing, dragging out the blind increase will make the game a lot slower, instead of having the standard which everyone is use too.

The standard for a 500 level game should be 8-10k with 45 min clock. Starting to **** around with the structure to confuse people is bollox. I'm not paying 500 for a 30 min clock whatever the structure is.


Also, a 30 min clock for a ante structure event is a joke, it usually takes the dealer 5 mins every level to collect the antes.

Sorry Nic, I know your doing you best, but if the Fitz dont want to run decent structure tourneys then thats a real pity as its one of the best rooms in Dublin. I'm guessing the reason you dont want a 45 min clock is that some of the regulars want a fast game with very little skill.

Goodluck2me

when was the last live event you played Ollie out of curiosity?

I think that sometime changing the structure isnt necessarily bad, and to get tght players out of their comfort zone is a good thing too imo. dont knock it til you've tried it.
I don't think its anywhere near as good as Neill's game though in saying that.

Jayminator

Ollie very good points but yet again this is a commercial decision to make room for the more profitable cash game tables.. Several people have asked for the 45 minute clock, gave their reasons why etc etc and yet the Fitz still ignores the punters and comes back with that ****e.

Why bother... Brick walls spring to mind

Jay

cardshark202

Clock seems fine to me for a tourney of this size. Its actually structured better than a lot of 45 min clock tourneys.

RoundTower

Ollieboy wrote: »

why to TD keep having to **** around with tournament structures.

The standard tournment is 10k with all levels 1 hour clock

lol?

Ollieboy

RoundTower wrote: »

lol?

Sorry, am I missing your point?

Ollieboy

goodluck2me wrote: »

when was the last live event you played Ollie out of curiosity?

I think that sometime changing the structure isnt necessarily bad, and to get tght players out of their comfort zone is a good thing too imo. dont knock it til you've tried it.
I don't think its anywhere near as good as Neill's game though in saying that.

Joe I'm always playing and I played a excellant structure tourney at CHL's last weekend, which at 10k starting stack and 30 minute clock for first 6 levels and than 40 min clock, at this for 200 freeze out. Which I think is far to good.

If I'm paying for a 500 event, I expect a 8-10k starting stack and 40+ min clock.

The structure Nic as create is good and allows a lot of play and I agree with your point about taking people out of there comfort zone, but all this messing with structures is just putting the average player off and confusing them. Currently the market for live poker is getting smaller, so keeping things simple for new players is more attractive.

Joe do you always disagree, just to disagree by the way? I dont mind people adding to a structure to increase the value, but this is only suiting one person not having a longer clock.

nicryan

The reasoning behind the structure that I had posted was because Denise had said that she wanted a 30 minute clock, and I wanted to see if a very slow blind and ante structure worked with a 30 minute clock.

but anyway. Denise has been convinced due to the negative response to the anounced structure that we will be going with a 45 minute clock. The starting stack will still be 10k and I'll post the new ante structure as soon as I've designed it.


-Nic

Ollieboy

nicryan wrote: »

The reasoning behind the structure that I had posted was because Denise had said that she wanted a 30 minute clock, and I wanted to see if a very slow blind and ante structure worked with a 30 minute clock.

but anyway. Denise has been convinced due to the negative response to the anounced structure that we will be going with a 45 minute clock. The starting stack will still be 10k and I'll post the new ante structure as soon as I've designed it.


-Nic

fair play. Will defo make this, I love playing good stucture events in the Fitz.

Anyone willing to mind a new born for me?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Ollieboy wrote: »

fair play. Will defo make this, I love playing good stucture events in the Fitz.

Anyone willing to mind a new born for me?[/QUOTE]

We can pool the kids for a cheaper babysitter rate....there is an idea:D

Ace2007

Ollieboy wrote: »

Anyone willing to mind a new born for me?

Diego Limited Whirlpool wrote: »

We can pool the kids for a cheaper babysitter rate....there is an idea:D

Is that what the wives are for?

Jayminator

Diego Limited Whirlpool wrote: »

Ollieboy wrote: »

fair play. Will defo make this, I love playing good stucture events in the Fitz.

Anyone willing to mind a new born for me?[/QUOTE]

We can pool the kids for a cheaper babysitter rate....there is an idea:D

I may need to avail of this service tooooooo....

RoundTower

Ollieboy wrote: »

Sorry, am I missing your point?

I wondered if you were deluded enough to think there was such a thing as a "standard poker tournament structure", and if you were, that it was utterly different from almost every poker tournament that is actually run. Or if you were making some kind of joke, perhaps to make a point.

Goodluck2me

Ollieboy wrote: »

Joe do you always disagree, just to disagree by the way? I dont mind people adding to a structure to increase the value, but this is only suiting one person not having a longer clock.

who said i disagreed, just asking questions.

nicryan

ok so the new structure.

Starting stack: 10k
blind levels: 45 mins

planned to be a 2 day event running over both saturday the 7th and sunday the 8th of June


Small Blind --- Big Blind --- Ante --- Total cost per round (9 handed)

25

---

50

---

0

---

75
50

---

100

---

0

---

150
75

---

150

---

0

---

225
100

---

200

---

0

---

300
150

---

300

---

0

---

450
150

---

300

---

25

---

675
200

---

400

---

25

---

825
200

---

400

---

50

---

1050
300

---

600

---

50

---

1350
400

---

800

---

50

---

1650
500

---

1000 ---- 50

---

1950
500

---

1000 ---- 100 ---- 2400
600

---

1200 ---- 100 ---- 2700
800

---

1600 ---- 100 ---- 3300
800

---

1600 ---- 200 ---- 4200
1000 ---- 2000 ---- 200 ---- 4800
1200 ---- 2400 ---- 200 ---- 5400
1200 ---- 2400 ---- 300 ---- 6300
1500 ---- 3000 ---- 300 ---- 7200
1500 ---- 3000 ---- 500 ---- 9000
2000 ---- 4000 ---- 500 ---- 10500
2500 ---- 5000 ---- 500 ---- 12000
3000 ---- 6000 ---- 500 ---- 13500
4000 ---- 8000 ---- 500 ---- 16500
5000 ---- 10000 --- 500 ---- 19500
5000 ---- 10000 --- 1000 --- 24000
6000 ---- 12000 --- 1000 --- 27000
8000 ---- 16000 --- 1000 --- 33000
8000 ---- 16000 --- 1500 --- 37500
10000 --- 20000 --- 1500 --- 43500
10000 --- 20000 --- 2000 --- 48000
12000 --- 24000 --- 2000 --- 54000
15000 --- 30000 --- 2000 --- 63000
15000 --- 30000 --- 3000 --- 72000
20000 --- 40000 --- 3000 --- 87000
20000 --- 40000 --- 5000 --- 105000


there will be breaks in play as you would expect, the first one being after an hour and a half of play. After that I think it will probably be after every 3 levels but it will be no more then 4 levels. Breaks will be planned in order to coincide with colouring up and all that.


-Nic

LuckyLloyd

Structure looks great Nic. Good job.

doke

Great (revised) structure, and the Fitz are always to be applauded for the way they keep reg fees to the minimum. Definitely on my to play list.

nicryan

One more thing that I forgot to mention yesterday.

From this week forward, thursday nights will be a €50+5 wth 1 rebuy or add on tournament as satellites to the fitz 500 and once we're past that date, they'll be satellites to the festival.


Nic

ghostface ste

Will be down next Thurs for the Sat to this, Was just bout to post to find out when they were!

nicryan

this thursday and every thursday till after the festival will be satellite days


Nic

Ollieboy

RoundTower wrote: »

I wondered if you were deluded enough to think there was such a thing as a "standard poker tournament structure", and if you were, that it was utterly different from almost every poker tournament that is actually run. Or if you were making some kind of joke, perhaps to make a point.

lol.?

smurph

stucture looks great,

lol at Roundtower....

ghostface ste

nicryan wrote: »

this thursday and every thursday till after the festival will be satellite days


Nic

Anymore info on the sat please? Re stack, blinds, starting time etc... Thanks

Ollieboy

Just notice the dates, wont be able to make this. And was looking forward to it, the dates clash with a family day out....achhh

careca

Ollieboy wrote: »

Just notice the dates, wont be able to make this. And was looking forward to it, the dates clash with a family day out....achhh

At least you got the clock sorted for the others first though wp.

Ollieboy

careca wrote: »

At least you got the clock sorted for the others first though wp.

maybe if I moan enough again I could get the day move....lol

nicryan

it was nothing to do with your moaning ollie. There were other factors. I will be posting more details on the satellites later on this evening after I run the structure by denise cause she has the final say on it.

So I should have the structure up here late this evening or tomorow morning depending on when I get a few minutes to post it.


Nic

Ollieboy

nicryan wrote: »

it was nothing to do with your moaning ollie. There were other factors. I will be posting more details on the satellites later on this evening after I run the structure by denise cause she has the final say on it.

So I should have the structure up here late this evening or tomorow morning depending on when I get a few minutes to post it.


Nic

I'm was only kidding Nic, but it was great that Denise listen to the players. So any chance of getting this push back a week, I would love to play a 500 event, have missed everything so far this year except the IO.

Gl with it, I hope the numbers are big

nicryan

I'm hoping that too

right...the satellites...

the satellites will replace the regular thursday double chance tournament and will be a 50+5 with 1 rebuy or add on for 50.

there will be a 20 minute clock before the break moving to a 25 minute clock after (break after level 3)

the normal blind structure in the fitz will be used and there will be antes introduced in the 150/300 level.


---Nic

5starpool

stacks?

Shivverz

Ollieboy wrote: »

I'm was only kidding Nic, but it was great that Denise listen to the players. So any chance of getting this push back a week, I would love to play a 500 event, have missed everything so far this year except the IO.

Gl with it, I hope the numbers are big

LOL , pushed back a week for one player, Ish dont think so!

5starpool

Well since it is a week after the SE 1k event, and a week before the Waterford 500 event, I don't think moving it by a week either way would be much use anyhow.

nicryan

5starpool wrote: »

stacks?

oh right yeah...forgot about that...

it'll be a 3000 starting stack (+500 bonus for being at the table for any of the first 3 hands) and the rebuy/add on will be 4k.


Nic

nicryan

remember folks: First satellite to this is tonight!


Nic

ghostface ste

Will be playing later. Is start time 8.30 or 9? Any idea on numbers exppected?

5starpool

It's 8.30 Ste (and pretty prompt start times lately), but late entries will be accepted until the break at around 9.40 or so. I migt go in myself.

smurph

Yep, in to donate tonight, See ya all there.

5starpool

Easy money.......

ghostface ste

5starpool wrote: »

Easy money.......

+1

Apologies for the raise in the last hand, was half asleep!

5starpool

That was you? Just as well I gave you a funny look, calmed you down a bit

WP.

nicryan

right guys...another satellite is on tonight. Last week we had 5 tickets.


and as a note to the people who already have tickets, if you win another ticket it will be a ticket into the 500 game during the festival or used as part of the buy in to the main event of the festival.


Nic