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A bridge too far?

  • 28-04-2008 12:04PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭


    What is everyones view to the incidents that happened over the weekend at the Stamford Bridge. Im surprised there is no thread about it already.
    And considereing the FA are going to investigate a host of issues like "mele" at the warm down, Hargreaves and Ferdinand having a go at the 4th offical.
    Never mind Fergie and Queiroz reaction to the "penalty".

    Is this a sign that uinited are starting to crack or just the motivation they need to close out a successful season?

    http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8699_3487441,00.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7369207.stm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    United players are saying that one of the lads said something to Evra, Evra demanded an apology, all the grounds staff were shouting to deck him or something, and then people had to be restrained.

    Evra is ****ing nuts, like he's absolutely crazy, not somebody I'd mess with.

    Either way, it won't get dealt with before the end of the season, and it'll be shushed up. Don't think it'll have any affect whatsoever.

    United in public are blaming the ref, but in private are working on how to do better. That's always been Fergie's attitude. In the media blame the refs. In private deal with the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    obviously not that private if you know if PHB or are you just speculating?

    Liverpool fan who pushed Neville in the back at Anfield a coupe of weeks ago got a fine and banned from Anfield for life, wonder what we can expect for Rio for assualting a female steward? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    news from the utd camp is that some racial slurs were issued which sent evra mad!" how accurate these reporting are is still up in the air! but its an area of football that needs to be stamped out, and if a club is emplyoing people like this it needs to be rectified!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    news from the utd camp is that some racial slurs were issued which sent evra mad!" how accurate these reporting are is still up in the air! but its an area of football that needs to be stamped out, and if a club is emplyoing people like this it needs to be rectified!
    If that were the case it's P45 time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Regarding the warm down incident: Having seen the cctv footage and photos, I can't see how any charges will be brought - not enough evidence. In fact in all the photos the only evidence of anything really serious is the Chelsea official aiming a punch at Evra, so maybe he'll be in hot water.

    Ferguson was wrong about the peno incident. As harsh as it was, considering peno decisions we haven't been getting, it was still a peno.
    I'm pretty sure Fergusons doesn't really believe it wasn't one, his main goal is to get into the minds of refs that Utd aren't getting their just desserts when it comes to awarding penos to them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Word from the Liverpool camp is Evra tried to chop the stewards arm with a machete and threatened to burn his house down.

    not really, but its about as valid as the racial slurs comment above.

    Utd trying to avoid responsibility for them being awful losers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,303 ✭✭✭✭event


    chelsea have strenuously denied there were racial comments and united would have to prove such a claim. was a joke of a way to act

    disgraceful by ferdinand, even if he didnt touch a steward, what is he at kicking a wall. some of ye can say that "oh was a big game, passion, desire etc"

    Bullshít. it was petty and childish and no way for a potential club and country captain to act. Capello will not be pleased


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭gucci


    news from the utd camp is that some racial slurs were issued which sent evra mad!" how accurate these reporting are is still up in the air! but its an area of football that needs to be stamped out, and if a club is emplyoing people like this it needs to be rectified!

    i think united have withdrawn the "racisim" element of the complaint. see here.
    Its ugly and shouldn't have happened, but i personally think it was blown out of proportion by the press.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Word from the Liverpool camp is Evra tried to chop the stewards arm with a machete and threatened to burn his house down.

    not really, but its about as valid as the racial slurs comment above.

    Utd trying to avoid responsibility for them being awful losers.

    Hmmmmm.....have a little think about what you're saying there Mr Alan. Don't think somehow that it is as valid. While nobody knows for sure what happened except the people there, it's entirely possible that he was racially abused. I'm not saying that he was cos i don't know either way, but it's very possible. Whereas i didn't see Evra with a machete in his hand and no arson allegations have been made by the Chelsea camp!!

    Pretty stupid point to be honest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭gucci


    event wrote: »

    disgraceful by ferdinand, even if he didnt touch a steward, what is he at kicking a wall. some of ye can say that "oh was a big game, passion, desire etc"
    Forgot about the ferdinand incident, what was he at seriously?
    Kinda reminds me of a nut case i played gaa with, serious player but a serious sore loser. he threw a kick at an advertising hoarding full pelt (and this guy was the sort of fella who knocked over 45yard kicks for fun) and his foot went through the sheet metal and he had to get about 10 stitches on his calf.

    kind of knocked the annoyance of defeat off me :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Cormic


    Does anyone have links to the videos of the incidents? I cannot see anything in youtube.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    news from the utd camp is that some racial slurs were issued which sent evra mad!" how accurate these reporting are is still up in the air! but its an area of football that needs to be stamped out, and if a club is emplyoing people like this it needs to be rectified!

    United have distanced themselves from any claims of racist abuse, so let's nip that claim in the bud.

    I honestly think this will make Utds season. Ferguson loves the siege mentality, us against them. Everyone bar Utd fans will be slating Utds players now, despite their exemplary disciplinary record the past few seasons.

    For the record i didn't like seeing Ferdinand and Hargreaves get so worked up, it wasn't on. They let it all get to them. It won't stop me thinking they ere both excellent players and professionals. I hope one of them is made club captain next season. Obviously Hargreaves tendonitis condition counts against him, but I think he'd make a sensational leader...definitely made of the right stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    "The security cameras will show the provocation we received - I have never seen anything like this in my career." - Carlos Tevez

    What's the likelihood of the video making its way to the public arena? Wouldn't mind seeing it tbh... Still, even if they were provoked, they shouldn't have responded.

    Also, that was pretty childish from Rio. Gallas got abused over his antics recently, but Rio is prone to do likewise (booting the ball at a fan comes to mind also).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Hmmmmm.....have a little think about what you're saying there Mr Alan. Don't think somehow that it is as valid. While nobody knows for sure what happened except the people there, it's entirely possible that he was racially abused. I'm not saying that he was cos i don't know either way, but it's very possible. Whereas i didn't see Evra with a machete in his hand and no arson allegations have been made by the Chelsea camp!!

    Pretty stupid point to be honest

    I was just pointing out that people can say watever they want.

    The racial thing annoys me, once thats said it sticks.

    Yet there is no reason to think for a second that there was anything to do with racism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    I was just pointing out that people can say watever they want.

    The racial thing annoys me, once thats said it sticks.

    Yet there is no reason to think for a second that there was anything to do with racism.

    crying racism and then suddenly withdrawing that accusation is akin to the women who claim rape and drop the charges, obviously not to the same extent though. but these women are generally lambasted on here when it happens to footballers, yet when united do it not a big deal is made of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    DaveMcG wrote: »
    "The security cameras will show the provocation we received - I have never seen anything like this in my career." - Carlos Tevez

    What's the likelihood of the video making its way to the public arena? Wouldn't mind seeing it tbh... Still, even if they were provoked, they shouldn't have responded.

    They showed cctv footage on SSN. It was from a stationary camera way back at the far end of the pitch so you couldn't see anything really. I wasn't aware there was anymore footage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    crying racism and then suddenly withdrawing that accusation is akin to the women who claim rape and drop the charges, obviously not to the same extent though. but these women are generally lambasted on here when it happens to footballers, yet when united do it not a big deal is made of it.

    As far as I kow Utd made no such claims....the papers did and Utd have promptly distanced themselves from it.

    Am I wrong?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    thats not the way it came across from the article on bbc. if i am wrong i do apologise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Sounds like the Pizzagate mark 2, only this time the shoe is on the other foot.
    Nobody likes to lose. But taking the high moral ground pointing fingers and then not condeming issues when it happens to you stinks of hypocrisy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Chong


    This is yet another opportunity to have pop at Man U and its fans when they are down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Willstev wrote: »
    This is yet another opportunity to have pop at Man U and its fans when they are down.

    thats absolutely it, man utd did nothing to deserve it of course...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Chong


    If they did they did. The media these days love this sorta crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Willstev wrote: »
    If they did they did. The media these days love this sorta crap.

    well if it is true it should of course be reported on. stop making it sound like United are the victims here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭growler


    Willstev wrote: »
    This is yet another opportunity to have pop at Man U and its fans when they are down.

    an opportunity created by the behaviour of utd's players at the bridge.

    Sounds very like Evra has shouted racism to try and cover his ass and then had to back down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Word from the Liverpool camp is Evra tried to chop the stewards arm with a machete and threatened to burn his house down.

    not really, but its about as valid as the racial slurs comment above.

    Utd trying to avoid responsibility for them being awful losers.
    Well it was reported on the news so it wasn't as if PHB was just making it up.
    Mind you, I hate when you hear the racist card being played as it's very hard to prove and yet it holds so much weight as it's a taboo subject.

    event wrote: »
    disgraceful by ferdinand, even if he didnt touch a steward, what is he at kicking a wall. some of ye can say that "oh was a big game, passion, desire etc"
    I think Rio got that age old expression "Get the man and ball when tackling!" confused somehow. "Man and Ball" Rio not "Woman and Wall"

    DaveMcG wrote: »
    What's the likelihood of the video making its way to the public arena? Wouldn't mind seeing it tbh... Still, even if they were provoked, they shouldn't have responded.
    It was shown on Sky already but it just looked like a speeded up version of Tag Rugby or under 6 football, couldn't make anything out at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Jaysus, going around in circles here! Can we stop mentioning racism when both clubs have rejected such accusations. Growler where did you hear once that Evra said he was racially abused? He came out straight away when he heard the murmerings about it and said that no such thing happened, for Christs sake!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    I wonder will Ferdinand retain the armband when Giggs and Neville are absent?

    I seem to recall someone here saying Ferguson would never stand for such behaviour when Gallas threw the toys out of the pram.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I wouldn't trust Ferdinand with my dinner money, and he fancies being England captain.

    As for the rest, I dont expect any quick action.
    This is yet another opportunity to have pop at Man U and its fans when they are down.

    Boo-hoo! :p A bunch of multi-millionaire professional footballers will cope I expect.

    Mike.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭BKtje


    Personally what i think Gallas did was worse but before people jump down my throat i don't agree at all with the way some of the players acted after the game.

    We've all felt frustration (either with ourselves, team mates or officials) and taken a kick at something to take frustration out. I don't mind seeing that kind of thing as it shows passion/hunger*.

    *obviously i don't want Rio to be kicking people but he apologised and it seems to have been an accident and accepted by the steward.

    I wasn't there afterwards during the warm down but if there was misconduct then i'm sure whoever are responsible will get there cummupence. Whether it be a manu player or someone else.


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