The Loch Ness Monster

Riddle101

Now don't get me wrong, i just don't know what to believe myself. It's easy to say that it could all be a hoax but this thing has been spotted more then once, actually the first sighting of Nessie was in the 7th Century, then again in the 18th century and then again in 1933, so i don't think it can be a hoax, so what other solutions could there be. A lot of invesigators who have studied the theory either think it is some new spieces or an ordinary animal which has been mistaken, but here are the theories of the type of animal it could be
(1)A hypothetical long necked Newt
(2)Some type of Seal or manatee
(3)An evolved plesiosaur

There are arguments against the plesiosaur which make sense but when you lok at some photos it dose actually look like one

So I ask you, what are your thoughts

davyjose

There is no doubt in my mind it's a hoax. The fact that it has been seen more than once means nothing. If you were going to fake a sighting of a mythical monster, it would add more weight to do so where one has been seen before. Seriously, I'd have more faith in the Tooth Fairy existing, than Nessie.

There has been more then one sighting in the lake of somthing unidentified. doesnt mean its the same creature. Unfortunately there have not been many more.
You should look at the Irish lake monsters as there have been more up to date sightings of them, especially around Killarney lakes. The common belief is that they are actually huge Eels .
Loch Ness isnt producing anything anymore in the way of sightings.

Dave!

Dunno what it is, if anything

How about an elephant?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0309_0603009_loch_ness.html

6th

davyjose wrote: »

Seriously, I'd have more faith in the Tooth Fairy existing, than Nessie.

But you see many believe that nessie is a creature that did exist (some type of dinosaur?) whereas the tooth fairy never existed - sorry Grimes.

holly1

I would love to think there was something there but with all the high tec equiptment now days I really belive they would have found it by now,if their is something there.

6th

Live Webcams on Lochness: http://www.lochness.co.uk/livecam/

Saruman

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/photos/lochness.html

This, according to Wikipedia is the only photo ever to actually show a neck/head. All others have just been bumps and ripples.
Since this one appears to be a hoax (photographer admitted it when he was near death)... then that would mean what do you think?

Kelly O'Malley

If there's no Nessie there should be.It's too cute a story to be allowed to die!

Besides it's a beautiful place that so many people would never have seen if not drawn there by the romance of a monster in the loch...

Wibbs

A sturgeon making it's way up the river ness into the lake FTW. They run very big, live a long time and look very prehistoric. http://www.fishingmagic.com/news/images/Canada_Record_Sturgeon_lg.jpg

The big problem for any even vaguely large animal in that lake is the lack of food. I fished it years back. Tiny trout and bugger all of them to boot. Quite an acidic lake so the very bottom of the food chain the invertebrates have a fight in their hands. There is a salmon run but that's very seasonal. A seal on it's own would be anorexic in no time. It just doesn't have the food chain needed to sustain a big animal.

Faith

I went to Loch Ness a couple of years ago and spent hours staring at the damn thing in the rain. Didn't see anything. There's a guy (I think he's called Steve) who packed in his job and life several years ago, and now lives in a caravan on the banks of the Loch as a full-time Nessie hunter. He's never seen it either.

Apparently the water there has a very high silt content (or something), making it fairly impenetrable to light, which is why you can't just sail around and try to spot something.

jpm4

Years ago I stumbled upon this book in my local library on the subject of Nessie:

http://www.amazon.com/Loch-Mystery-Solved-Science-Paranormal/dp/0879752912

It pretty much demolished any believe I had in a monster in the lake. But it's a good read even if you'd rather believe. I've been to Loch Ness and it is a beautiful place and well worth a visit. We went out on a boat across the lake and asked our guide about the monster and if he though it existed. He laughed and said "Not a chance"! And this from a guy who would have something of an interest in keeping the idea of Nessie alive.

???

An interesting explanation I heard is otters. They often swim in a long serpentine line with some surfacing etc. that looks quite Nessie like. Google a video and you'll see what I mean.

I have heard lots of storys . Some of them were saying it was not a lake monster. It actually lives in the highlands. The very first sighting of the monster was actually on land.

The other Theory is that its not a monster but more of a haunting .

Redpunto

ohhh sweet jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

???

Deleted User wrote: »

I have heard lots of storys . Some of them were saying it was not a lake monster. It actually lives in the highlands. The very first sighting of the monster was actually on land.

The other Theory is that its not a monster but more of a haunting .

Yes because a haunting is infinatly more likely! I know why don't we go out with hideously inapropriate equipment and search for anomalies!

???

??? wrote: »

Yes because a haunting is infinatly more likely! I know why don't we go out with hideously inapropriate equipment and search for anomalies!

Oh you !!

Riamfada

??? wrote: »

Yes because a haunting is infinatly more likely! I know why don't we go out with hideously inapropriate equipment and search for anomalies!

Its always the non believer in the movies who is the first to get eaten. See ya

6th

Actually I've considered huantings as possibilities for the likes of Nessie, Bigfoot etc. Certainly there is more of a supernatural element to some cultural stories of the likes of the Wendigo. You do get a lot of people who ask why there are no sightings of dinosaur ghosts .... maybe there are?

???

This all strikes me as moving the goal posts.

"Bigfoot exists it's a real creature."
50 years later
"Maybe bigfoot is a ghost, thats why we haven't found any physical evidence."

It's just following one bad idea with another!

6th

Who's moving goal posts? I didnt make either of those statements. Also to add 50 years is a long time many things change in that time as people learn or experience more.

???

??? wrote: »

This all strikes me as moving the goal posts.

"Bigfoot exists it's a real creature."
50 years later
"Maybe bigfoot is a ghost, thats why we haven't found any physical evidence."

It's just following one bad idea with another!

I know its crazy . Whats your explanation for it all ?

???

Not an attack on you.

No in particular the big foot case more and more people are saying 'maybe it's a ghost' after 50 years (the length of time the really big group of thems been running) of no evidence (that a reasonable person would accept). Because if you know Big Foot exists and you can't find evidence for it then it must obviously be something that leaves no evidence, like a ghost.

???

Deleted User wrote: »

I know its crazy . Whats your explanation for it all ?

More than happy to provide one for a specific esample. 'It all' is a little em... broad!!!

Kelly O'Malley

Why are you interested in this forum ???
Just wondering???

???

If I can help one person...

And it's fun.

6th

Kelly O'Malley wrote: »

Why are you interested in this forum ???
Just wondering???

Its not a case of believe everything or get out. I for one welcome questions as long as people are respectful.

Riamfada

Whispered

Grimes wrote: »

Thats troll cruelty! Get that little critter out. I'm going to start a petition.

DOWN WITH GRIMES AND HIS ANIMAL CRUELTY WAYS!

That photo is faked by the way. Definately Photoshop .

Stoner

I love the bridge in the cage though

Redpunto

Grimes wrote: »

Its always the non believer in the movies who is the first to get eaten. See ya

TOUCHE SIR, TOUCHE:D:D

Riddle101

Sabotage wrote: »

Actually I've considered huantings as possibilities for the likes of Nessie, Bigfoot etc. Certainly there is more of a supernatural element to some cultural stories of the likes of the Wendigo. You do get a lot of people who ask why there are no sightings of dinosaur ghosts .... maybe there are?

Bigfoots not real but why would Tenacious D lie like that, maybe he just underwent cosmetic surgery and is actually Dave Grohl would explain why he's a great drummer

Grimes wrote: »

Wait a minute, THOSE ARE FAKE ARMS!

Seriously though i made the thread to see everyones response, i'm quite sure that Nessie is long dead and the myth of the Monster of Loch Ness is a fake, i mean after all why would a monster want to live in The Ness when he could easily go to some place sunny like San Francisco, actually funny enough i've heard

Havermeyer

But you see many believe that nessie is a creature that did exist (some type of dinosaur?) whereas the tooth fairy never existed - sorry Grimes.

I think the key word here is DID exist. About 65 million years ago. Let's face it, Loch Ness isn't that big (or deep for that matter) that a giant mammal could hide from the view of people or from any sort of sonar equipment. To think so is ridiculous, to the extent that the 'Loch Ness Monster' would somehow have to be in on the whole 'conspiracy' so as to remain a mystery. ANY evidence brought forward has been disregarded and proved to be fake. OP, do yourself a favour and don't insult your own intelligence by believing in such tripe. I do realise that some species, that were thought to be extinct, have been found to be alive and well. The Coelocanth being the one that I would be most familiar with. But these were nowhere near the size of the giant mammal that 'nessie' is supposed to be.

Actually I've considered huantings as possibilities for the likes of Nessie, Bigfoot etc. Certainly there is more of a supernatural element to some cultural stories of the likes of the Wendigo. You do get a lot of people who ask why there are no sightings of dinosaur ghosts .... maybe there are?

In the words of John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious?". I really hope you're not.

Wibbs

In fairness Loch Ness is very big as lakes go and is very deep too. The big problem I would have is the lack of biomass. It's just not enough to sustain a large creature of any kind, never mind a breeding group of them. If this was the ocean I would have more of an open mind, like the coelocanth.

My father was at sea for a few years in his youth and he saw some mad stuff, including a giant squid on the surface(he reckoned 60ftin length) and what looked like a very large long necked turtle off the south american coast that they observed for a good 15 mins and reckoned at 30ft + in length. The "turtle" was interesting as they had a marine biology type on board and he couldn't identify it. They were also well used to seeing leatherbacks etc and this wasn't one. They estimated the size with the rangefinder binoculars they had on deck.

Nerin

ah nessie.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoology/lake-monsters/

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoology/loch-ness/

http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Lake_monster

first two are from a site 6th gave me, which ive found to be very good

other one is a nice little site i found. its ok...kinda.
anyway, i like nessie and all the other water monsters like him/her.
whether theres one in loch ness, i dunno, but id definetly think out in the ocean yes, theres loads of unknown cryptids.

cryptozoology sub forum ftw:pac:

Wibbs

Nerin wrote: »

cryptozoology sub forum ftw:pac:

Hear hear. I didn't believe in a lot of that stuff, but over the years I've known people who have seen something out of the ordinary. Even know a guy who saw bigfoot. Up close too, like 20ft away in daylight. This is a guy who you would believe too. Not the hyperbole type. Quite the opposite. Holds two science degrees and among the most level headed people I know. So there may be stuff out there. Even fantastical stuff.

hiorta

There is a theory that Loch Ness may be linked to the open sea by natural 'tunnels' under the mountains.

El_mariachi

hiorta wrote: »

There is a theory that Loch Ness may be linked to the open sea by natural 'tunnels' under the mountains.

But not a scrap of evidence to support it.

Predhead

El_mariachi wrote: »

But not a scrap of evidence to support it.

Hence, ''theory''.

???

In fact it's a hypothesis. A theory is a proven hypothesis. Theories must be supported, gravity is a theory, it's the theory of evolution and both of them are effectivly facts.

Also the loch is 50 feet above sea level so if there were underwater tunnells big enough for a monster, the lake would drain as it wouldn't get enough water coming in.

Havermeyer

I still find it hard to believe that there is any truth in this legend. Looking for a creature this big in a lake the size of loch ness is hardly needle/haystack territory. Creatures such as these would more than likely need to surface every now and then for oxygen and, although people live along the lake, sightings are rare and for the most part proven to be fake.

The ocean is another story though. It's quite possible that there could be creatures out there that may shock us if discovered. Loch Ness though? Good propaganda for the tourist industry in the way so many hotels struggling to make profits all of a sudden become 'haunted'.

monkeyfudge

Is there connection between the Loch Ness Monster and Jack the Ripper?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2yVZCVLK3E

At 57 seconds into this video , what kind of team un-earths evidence ??

Am i hearing it correctly ?

big b

hiorta wrote: »

There is a theory that Loch Ness may be linked to the open sea by natural 'tunnels' under the mountains.

There's also a theory that it's linked to the open sea by the Caledonian Canal.:cool:

While I think Loch Ness is indeed big, deep & murky enough to hide a large creature that doesn't want to be found, it's much more likely that a variety of sea mammals have found their way into the loch over the years & been spotted in poor weather/at a distance. And the story sure does help the good people of Drumnadrochit eke out a living!

edit. First post in this forum, hello to all!

???

Slight problem... There is a feck load of locks (not lochs!) between Ness and the sea. Unless these creatures can now operate machinery...

big b

??? wrote: »

Slight problem... There is a feck load of locks (not lochs!) between Ness and the sea. Unless these creatures can now operate machinery...

There's a few alright. Luckily, they have people to open them for them, just like the 30 foot basking shark that I saw trapped in the canal basin at the other end a good few years ago.

hiorta

The locks at Fort Augustus have been there a very long time, but not forever.
Loch Ness is below sea level on the Western side.

renmorescout

big b wrote: »

There's a few alright. Luckily, they have people to open them for them, just like the 30 foot basking shark that I saw trapped in the canal basin at the other end a good few years ago.

Sorry for going off topic, but when did a basking shark get trapped in the canal basin? Are we talking about the Claddagh Basin? It would be cool to see that. I never heard about it.

tiny-nioclas

Did anyone see the programme on tg4 this evening about the eel horse like creature that has been seen in lakes in connamara for centuries??? very interesting, great story even if its just folklore.

Riddle101

tiny-nioclas wrote: »

Did anyone see the programme on tg4 this evening about the eel horse like creature that has been seen in lakes in connamara for centuries??? very interesting, great story even if its just folklore.

Didn't see it but i heard about it, i think i might have seen the prgramme before