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Old Firm Anyone

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    Mr Borat might well be in deep doo doo from FIFA... he should have stopped and read the rulebook about wearing clothing brandishing something religious....

    Certain posters on here really should stop and remember what they bleat on about in the past....

    But hey it's the 'Celtic way' after all to sweep sweep sweep things under the carpet.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    Well, Celtic got the result they needed, and whilst its still advantage Rangers on paper, there is definitely a chink in the armour. What with the fixture list pile-up, the advantage that Rangers have is not that great. One draw by Rangers and that will mean a mere 2pts advantage on paper. From here on in its points in the bag that count, and points can be dropped by either team in any match. Thats the nature of the run-in.

    It was a good bustling Old Firm match. Celtic's zonal defending at corners was a major problem, but I thought Boruc should have done better on both occasions. A man on the near post may have also helped for the first.

    Rangers didnt go defensive from the start but they played a bit which made for a good game I thought as they gave as good as they got. They deserved goals overall. As did Celtic. McGeady didnt seem to be getting much of the ball early on but did get into it, McDonald was playing well. Robbo had a good game in the centre of the park. Nakamure was also more effective than he usually is. VofH was also a presence up there. Rangers missed Cuellar.

    The 1st goal was slightly offside but the linesman mis-judged that.
    Eirebear wrote: »
    McDonald stopped and backed into Broadfoot outside the box, he made no effort to go towards the ball.
    Broadfoot as clumsy as he may be, had no option but to run into his back because of this.

    That's called shielding. If you get to a ball first, as McDonald did, and someone runs up behind you and bundles you over, its a foul. There is no question about that. And that's what happened, check out a replay again (in real time and slow-mo). Broadfoot should have checked his run when seeing that McDonald was going to get to the ball first. He clearly had the option.

    I think overall, Rangers whilst playing well, cant be too miffed at the result in a close match. They still have everything to play for.

    Btw, Robson's technique for the penalty wasnt that great if you ask me, a blast close to the centre. Celtic need a penalty taker, but no-one seems willing to step up to the plate. That's not a good sign.

    Redspider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    redspider wrote: »
    VofH was also a presence up there. Rangers missed Cuellar.

    The 1st goal was slightly offside but the linesman mis-judged that.



    That's called shielding. If you get to a ball first, as McDonald did, and someone runs up behind you and bundles you over, its a foul. There is no question about that. And that's what happened, check out a replay again (in real time and slow-mo). Broadfoot should have checked his run when seeing that McDonald was going to get to the ball first. He clearly had the option.



    Redspider

    Oh yeah, VofH was certainly a presence, the pictures of his "tackle" on Faye will show you that.

    The linesman misjudged it....amazing how these mistakes are easily passed off when they go for you lot isnt it?

    And its only called shielding when you are in control of the ball, when your not...its called obstruction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭CountingCrows


    I sense the bitterness is strong in this one!

    Amazing day, victory for all those who's hearts are pure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    I sense the bitterness is strong in this one!

    Amazing day, victory for all those who's hearts are pure.

    Not bitterness CC, more a sense of disbelief at one of the most inept performances i have seen from a team of officials in my life.

    As i said before, i will quite regularly give Celtic credit, when it is due, i dont feel it was due yesterday.

    I can see the mistakes that Rangers made in their game yesterday, we sat back too deep in the second half, and should have went for the kill when we had the chance.

    But all in all i feel we deserved something from that game but to my mind a number of mistakes from the ref and his assistants made that impossible.

    Personally i would have had venegoor up on assault charges for this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    Eirebear wasn't that long ago that the word 'cheat' was flying around for weeks from some posters in here after an OF game.....

    But at the end of the day destiny is still in our own hands.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭patmac


    Jaysus Eirebear do you not know anything about satellitte TV and officials, sure the team that's behind must be given the benefit of the doubt in all cases to extend the season just look at the Man U/ Chelsea 'penalty', the season must be kept alive as long as possible;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    patmac wrote: »
    Jaysus Eirebear do you not know anything about satellitte TV and officials, sure the team that's behind must be given the benefit of the doubt in all cases to extend the season just look at the Man U/ Chelsea 'penalty', the season must be kept alive as long as possible;)

    You know what. I have been doing my best not to entertain such thoughts, im happy to put it down as the referee having a shocker.

    One look across to the east end of this fine city can show me what paranoia does to people.....;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    If Boruc does get in trouble, i hope FIFA/UEFA will also be retrospectively be dealing with Kaka and his "I Belong To Jesus" t-shirt at last years CL final.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    If Boruc does get in trouble, i hope FIFA/UEFA will also be retrospectively be dealing with Kaka and his "I Belong To Jesus" t-shirt at last years CL final.

    He won't get into trouble. He hasn't done anything to get into trouble for.

    It's the usual toys out of the pram act from Rangers fans and the media.

    Sure some of the Rangers fans on here just love the prospect of Celtic "getting in trouble", in much the same way that young children do with other children. It never seems to happen though - I wonder why? :confused:

    As for the referee yesterday - I thought he had a good game overall. :) The McDonald goal was offside, but it was so marginal and the linesman wasn't quite in line with the player so he couldn't have given offside. Happens all the time. You and I know that only with the replay could you have spotted it was offside.

    JVoH's challenge was rash and deserved at least a yellow - I agree he could have seen red, although I do think red would have been a bit harsh. I think to call it an assault is very unfair. He's not a dirty player, bit wild with the arms when going for a header sometimes, but there's no way he'd have intended to hurt Faye.

    Broadfoot wrestled McDonald and brought him down in the box and it was a valid penalty. I also think Broadfoot could have seen red, but it was marginal as to whether it was a clear goal scoring opportunity or not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


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    Ive still yet to see where Rangers benefit from this season extension....nevermind.

    As for Boruc, can i just make it clear that i really dont give a monkey's what he wears under his top?
    The man means absolutely nothing to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


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    I think youll find thats 4 days, simply to fit in the possibility of us making the UEFA cup final.

    We still have to play 4 games in 8 days, and still have to play 3 games in 6 days including the scottish cup final.

    Stick to the facts Ziggy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    Maybe time to take a deep breath and perhaps a bit of a rest, Eirebear.
    Eirebear wrote: »
    Oh yeah, VofH was certainly a presence, the pictures of his "tackle" on Faye will show you that.

    There were fouls made by both sets of players. Some bad and they were punished with bookings. I thought the ref let a lot go for both sides. Celtic had 4 players booked after 58 mins to Rangers none. There were 43 fouls in the match, which is high.

    > The linesman misjudged it....amazing how these mistakes are easily passed off when they go for you lot isnt it?

    These things happen. Linesmen do not have the benefit of slow-mo replays to make a decision. They make mistakes both ways. This one, McDonald was coming from an onside position and moved to an offside position at some speed, so its a snapshot decision. The linesman got it wrong by milliseconds, not yards. Anyway, Rangers came back in the match and were 2-1 up so it didnt have a bearing on the overall result.

    > And its only called shielding when you are in control of the ball, when your not...its called obstruction.

    No, thats not true. You are not allowed to bundle over a player even if they havent touched the ball. If this was over at the sideline and a defender was shepherding the ball out, and bundled over by a forward, of course it would be a free kick. Its not obstruction because Broadfoot didnt have the ball before that and certainly didnt have control over it when McDonald was on the ball.

    One thing I think was close was whether it was inside the box or not. The foul looks like it may have 'commenced' outside the box, and may have 'ended' inside the box, so awarding a penalty was not an unusual or strange decision.

    I think the best thing that Rangers fans should do now, is concentrate on the games they have ahead. Its Fiorentina next I presume and there is some work to do in that tie. An away goal is not beyond the realms of possibility.

    Redspider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    ziggy wrote: »
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    4 days to accomodate the possibility of ONE game ziggy, the fixtures have not been spread out in any way other than that.

    I find it quite bizzare that I am being treated as if i am some sort of paranoid lunatic for having a grievance with the referees performance yesterday.

    By Celtic fans....who are praising the referee........parallel universe? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭CountingCrows


    I have a calm serene feeling today, laughing at the excuses here that perhaps on another day I might take issue with.

    Can't wait to get home and put on the hoops, my heart is bursting with pride.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    I find it absolutly hilarious when a Celtic supporter comes on and mentions the so called 'Rangers media'..... yet again some of you should take stock before you type such nonsense..... there is a saying about TGFITW supporters and the truth but that would be petty after all ;);)

    EBear 5 wins out of 6 and the title is back home..... FACT


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    FRM wrote: »
    I find it absolutly hilarious when a Celtic supporter comes on and mentions the so called 'Rangers media'..... yet again some of you should take stock before you type such nonsense..... there is a saying about TGFITW supporters and the truth but that would be petty after all ;);)

    EBear 5 wins out of 6 and the title is back home..... FACT

    Learn to read. Especially if you are going to quote people and call what they post "nonsense". Here's what I actually said:
    It's the usual toys out of the pram act from Rangers fans and the media.

    "Rangers fans and the media" is not the same thing as "Rangers media".

    Who's paranoid now?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    FRM wrote: »
    there is a saying about TGFITW supporters and the truth but that would be petty after all ;);)

    Oh, and if you want to say something about TGFITW, feel free to spit it out. You have, after all, made your nasty feelings on Big Jock well known on this forum. Being petty is not a patch on that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    :D:D:D

    Who is throwing their toys out the pram now? I never said anything 'nasty' about Jock Stein but if you think it's nasty thats your perogative.

    Anyway it's onwards and upwards. We can now get back to the real deal and winning more trophies (hopefully) between now and the end of the season.

    P.S So your rant about cheating for weeks after the March OF game was a totally fair and biased point of view then? :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    FRM wrote: »
    So your rant about cheating for weeks after the March OF game was a totally fair and biased point of view then? :rolleyes:

    So reading is not the only thing you struggle with then? :p Watch the video. Thomson is a cheat.

    Enjoy your European adventure. I know I will. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Watch the video. Thomson is a cheat.

    Wath the video Paul JVoH is an animal.
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zKoOGmqlY

    But we all know it doesnt work that way dont we?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Wath the video Paul JVoH is an animal.
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zKoOGmqlY

    But we all know it doesnt work that way dont we?

    Yeah, Thomson went unpunished.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    I am enjoying our European adventure - even if it end's in failure on Thursday night I for one can feel proud of what Rangers have done this year in Europe.

    Yet again selective answering is to the fore when it comes to TGFITW supporters.... You only see what YOU want to see.... Do you not get that? I have stated in previous post's about the team during MON's reign.... Petrov and Mutton were two examples of divers week in week out but you have never responded to that....

    Anyway you have to win, loose or draw with dignity and that certainly isn't the Celtic way.

    I shall leave it there because it's pointless 'discussing' such points with someone so blatantly blinkered.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    FRM wrote: »
    Yet again selective answering is to the fore when it comes to TGFITW supporters.... You only see what YOU want to see.... Do you not get that? I have stated in previous post's about the team during MON's reign.... Petrov and Mutton were two examples of divers week in week out but you have never responded to that....

    If selective answering describes anyone on here, it's you! What do you want me to say about Petrov and Sutton? I haven't said anything about them as I don't see their relevance to the specific issue of Thomson being a cheat in the game that was being discussed at the time. I could also list ex-Rangers players and make general negative comments, but I fail to see the point in doing so just to avoid discussing the issue.
    FRM wrote: »
    Anyway you have to win, loose or draw with dignity and that certainly isn't the Celtic way.
    Erm... yeah ok. Whatever. :confused:
    FRM wrote: »
    I shall leave it there because it's pointless 'discussing' such points with someone so blatantly blinkered.

    Blinkered? Don't think so. If you read my take on yesterday's match, I think it's a pretty open and honest view. But anyway, the one thing we can agree on is further discussion between us is pointless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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