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Chelsea vs. Liverpool (2nd leg)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    Melion wrote: »
    And there is your ready-made excuse. If we win it will be because Grant is crap and Mourinho isnt in charge anymore.

    I like Liverpool ffs. :rolleyes: (not a die hard fan *insert long arguement about English club football importance v national team importance here* ) but you are acting like im some Man U head full of doom and gloom. There is nothing bar Grant that makes Liverpool at all likely to take this, nothing. And to think otherwise is dillusional.

    edit- (I was in work for the above :) )

    Stating Liverpool will progress as a matter of fact is a bit like stating Spain will deffo win the Euros. Both teams have on paper the players to win their respective matches/competitions. Unfortunately football isnt played on paper.
    DeadSkin wrote: »
    You're off your f*ckin' game man!!!!!
    2005, we were 3-0 down at half time.
    It's 1-1 before the whistle goes tomorrow, granted they have an away goal. An early Liverpool goal blows this game wide open.
    You do the math!!!!!

    It certainly does.

    Something that hasnt happened in four years of trying in SB blows the game right open. With the main attackers being a middling form Gerrard and a home wonderkid who has done sod all on the road this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    malice_ wrote: »
    Next question (which probably belongs in a different thread), why is Grant a below-par manager compared to Mourinho?

    :rolleyes:
    Had Torres not uncharacteristically missed two excellent chances or had Cech not saved Gerrard's volley in the second half the score would have been much more accurate. What is your justification for saying they weren't played off the pitch? Just the score?

    If Stan had played Hunt in Slovakia we might have knocked in a third.

    If Kevin Doyles ball had rolled a half inch to the left we would have equalised in Prague.

    If Given wasnt injured for Cyprus we might have managed a draw.

    Do you see what I am getting at? Football is full of ifs and buts that are best not to dwell on.

    There's a gulf of difference between tomorrow's game and the 2005 final. One goal for Liverpool will completely change the nature of the tie. In 2005 we had to score three times.

    Italian teams in the 21st century CL are below par chancers. Meh. Not to diminish from the brilliant match that it was, but do you really reckon Man U or Chelsea would concede three to them in a final?

    As said, I like Liverpool. They certainly have what it takes to get a goaless draw. Unfortunately, that aint good enough. There is nothing, absoloutely nothing, to encourage a belief they will score enough to get by tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    shane86 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, that aint good enough. There is nothing, absoloutely nothing, to encourage a belief they will score enough to get by tomorrow.

    Chelski are well capable of being beaten,we only need 1 goal and if it goes to penos reina is better than cech,so we will progress.doesnt get any simpler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Liverpool (Liverpool fans)
    shane86 wrote: »



    Italian teams in the 21st century CL are below par chancers. Meh. Not to diminish from the brilliant match that it was, but do you really reckon Man U or Chelsea would concede three to them in a final?

    .


    What uneducated nonsense. i suppose you have forgotten the all italian final in the 21st century


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Liverpool (Liverpool fans)
    dc69 wrote: »
    Chelski are well capable of being beaten,we only need 1 goal and if it goes to penos reina is better than cech,so we will progress.doesnt get any simpler.

    I think we have better penalty takers (Lampar, Ballack, kalou etc.) as well as the better keeper for saving them, it's just a matter if we have enough substitutes left to bring Carlo on for the penalties. His record of 1 save for every 2 penalties is surely better than Pepe's


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    shane86 wrote: »
    It certainly does.

    Something that hasnt happened in four years of trying in SB blows the game right open. With the main attackers being a middling form Gerrard and a home wonderkid who has done sod all on the road this year.

    I wouldn't agree Gerrard is in middlin form, yes Torres' away form all season can't be compared to the home form, but I still think you're off your game to think it would be "the toughest comeback since the 2005 final".
    Feck, we need one goal to change the tie, we needed 3 in 45 mins in Istanbul.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭oobydooby


    Liverpool
    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I think we have better penalty takers (Lampar, Ballack, kalou etc.) as well as the better keeper for saving them, it's just a matter if we have enough substitutes left to bring Carlo on for the penalties. His record of 1 save for every 2 penalties is surely better than Pepe's

    I wasn't confident last year when it went to penos and I wouldn't like to see it tomorrow. Chelsea have a lot of big game players and there's little to choose between Cech and Reina.

    I hope Liverpool get a few chances and go out for the two goals, but it could be like tonight's with a very defensive Chelsea packing their half and looking to catch Liverpool on the counter. Certainly if the roles were reversed that's what I'd expect Liverpool to do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I think we have better penalty takers (Lampar, Ballack, kalou etc.) as well as the better keeper for saving them, it's just a matter if we have enough substitutes left to bring Carlo on for the penalties. His record of 1 save for every 2 penalties is surely better than Pepe's

    kalou?

    reina is well better than cech at penos,its his speciality.I would feel extremely confident if it went to penos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Liverpool
    IMO penalty shootouts is just down to a bit of luck. Some players who never miss penalties miss, like Shevchenko. Some players who have never taken them blast them away. You can just never tell.

    The keepers can make a difference, but imo it's only marginal. A well taken penalty is unsavable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    PHB wrote: »
    IMO penalties is just down to a bit of luck. Some players who never miss penalties

    Kind of contradicting yourself there.

    Also, I dont agree in regards to keepers. Some keepers are excellent at saving penos.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭ShoulderChip


    Liverpool
    Tusky wrote: »
    Kind of contradicting yourself there.

    Also, I dont agree in regards to keepers. Some keepers are excellent at saving penos.

    Tusky he did not contradict himself at all, you just did not understand his sentence, there is a difference, next time quote his full sentence and not a portion of it,
    that is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Liverpool
    Ah it's just cause I used penalties initially to describe penalty shootouts, while when I said penalties the second time I just meant the plural of a penalty.

    Taking a penalty in a normal game is different to penalty shootouts imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    i hope chelsea win. but lose to utd in the final.

    there. ive said it. i feel dirty now.

    i also hope utd win the league.


    uuurghhhh....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Liverpool
    Jesus christ WWM, what the hell is going on?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Liverpool
    dc69 wrote: »
    kalou?

    reina is well better than cech at penos,its his speciality.I would feel extremely confident if it went to penos

    I genuinely can't remember the last time Liverpool lost a penalty shootout. Probably some obscure League Cup game that someone will come up with.

    Arphexad, Westerveld, Dudek, Reina...can't think of any they lost


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Liverpool
    dc69 wrote: »
    Chelski are well capable of being beaten,we only need 1 goal and if it goes to penos reina is better than cech,so we will progress.doesnt get any simpler.
    that why Chelsea havn't been beaten in like 80 odd games at the Bridge...........
    If it goes to peno's your guaranteed to win because Reina is better at peno saving?!?!?!?!?
    doesn't get any simpler??????

    Chelsea are the better team and have the advantage.If its 1-1 theres still 30mins extra time.It wont go that far anyway.

    Chelsea = Better team
    Chelsea = Have the advantage
    Chelsea = Playing at the Bridge
    Chelsea = Win

    Couldn't be simpler........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Liverpool
    Chelsea have been beaten at the Bridge. Their record at the bridge is about the league.

    Football is never simple


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Liverpool
    Buckle the belts lads. This is going to be a rough ride. Can we win? Of course we can ****ing win. Twice this season we have competed very well against Chelsea and can count ourselves somewhat unfortunate to not have claimed an extra 2 - 4 league points from those games.

    However, we were second best in the league cup tie (though it is slightly irrelevant given squad rotation) and our record in the Bridge over the past 10 years is an embarrassment.

    As I said before the first leg, the law of averages says that it is highly unlikely for the inferior squad to win three two legged contests in succession. And make no mistake about it, Chelsea have the superior squad depth.

    See, tomorrow is very close:

    - One can pull up the stats of Chelsea's record at home or their record specifically against us at home / but we can counter with the remarkable statistic which says that every time two English clubs have gone at it in Europe the lower ranked side has progressed;

    - One can talk about the superior squad depth and ability of the Chelsea team as a whole / or one can note that Liverpool rested players at the weekend and will be fresher;

    - One can say Ballack / to counter it we can say Gerrard;

    - ditto Drogba / Torres

    - One can make arguments that Grant will get outfoxed by Benitiez / or one can simply note that the goal in the dying stages of the first leg knocks Benitez out of his tactical comfort zone;

    All of the above is really irrelevant ultimately. Both sides can win the game or lose it. Who ****ing wants it more? Even that can be debated. It's Liverpool's only chance of silverware. But on the other hand Chelsea have been close before and previous failures will haunt them. Is Gerrard going to really, really want it more than Ballack when he has one of these winners medals and his counterpart doesn't?

    It's a coin toss.

    Let me say this. I don't care how Liverpool do it if they do it. Whatever. Winwinwinwinwinwinwin. Get over the ****ing line and set up the tie of our lives as football fans. At the very least die ****ing hard and hang tough. Walk off knowing 100% was given and no - one didn't put it in. That will satisfy me as a fan.

    One more time please. Lets go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,452 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    I voted for a Liverpool win.

    We're unquestionably the underdog. Chelsea's away goal means that the tie is theirs to lose. Their record at Stamford Bridge is formidable. They beat an (admittedly poor) Man Utd at the weekend, and their confidence will be high.

    I still voted for the win though. Liverpool's recent successes have no doubt spoiled my judgement. This is a team that has gone to such daunting venues as the San Siro and the Nou Camp, scored goals and won. Why can't they do it at Stamford Bridge? There is no questioning the mentality of the squad. Players like Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, Macherano, Alonso and Carragher are the epitome of big-game players. They won't be daunted, they won't be overawed. They each have the ability to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and make things happen. They can change things in an instant.

    Much, of course, will depend on Chelsea. They had to beat Man Utd at the weekend, and they did. Just about. They also conceded, which may knaw away at them in the backs of their minds. The difference tonight is that they don't have to beat Liverpool. They know a 0-0 will see them through. And for all of the bluster about Grant's mandate to create free-flowing, attacking football, Chelsea will perhaps rely on their rearguard to see them through.

    That's a dangerous game to play. If they defend too deep, they allow space in front of the defence for Gerrard to pop in one of his life-line goals. However, if they push up too much, they've got the pace of Torres and Babel to contend with. If they attack, they're gonna be vulnerable on the break. Ashley Cole and Ferraira (should he play) will be exploitable weaknesses.

    However, as has been said: it's a coin toss. I wouldn't bet on a 0-0, and the first goal will be crucial. If Liverpool get it, they can win comfortably. If Chelsea get it, Liverpool have a mountain to climb. Buckle the belts indeed.

    YNWA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    shane86 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    Nice answer there. I'm going to withdraw from debating with you because your mastery of the English language is obviously too great for me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Liverpool have to score, not easy but I expect them to give it a bash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    I'm very nervous. Possibly more so than i've ever been before a European tie. I think it's because Utd are already through and i don't think i can stand us not being.

    Things that could help us tonight:
    1. Lampard starts.
    2. Essien at right back.

    Hopefully Rafa will get them fired up and we'll come out all guns blazing. We really need to play for 90 minutes like we did in the second half against Arsenal at Anfield. We pressed and harrassed them so much that even the best passing team in the country couldn't get out of their own half. i think, under pressure like that, Chelsea could cave. We saw it to some extent at the beginning of the second half of the first leg.

    My prediction: 1-1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Prufrock


    Liverpool
    I'd have to go with Chelsea. Might just be a bridge too far for Liverpool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Prufrock wrote: »
    I'd have to go with Chelsea. Might just be a bridge too far for Liverpool.
    Coat for 1.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    chdpoker wrote: »
    Chelsea = Better team
    Chelsea = Have the advantage
    Chelsea = Playing at the Bridge
    Chelsea = Win

    Couldn't be simpler........

    Heh, keep talking :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Liverpool
    Think Lampard starting along with Ballack could stop Ballacks man mission that he's on.

    Still reckon Chelsea will sneak it with either a one nil win or a nil all draw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Think Lampard starting along with Ballack could stop Ballacks man mission that he's on.

    Still reckon Chelsea will sneak it with either a one nil win or a nil all draw.

    Everyone's going on about Ballack's mission. Why was he so awful last week?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭PiE


    Everyone's going on about Ballack's mission. Why was he so awful last week?
    People like to repeat what they hear/read in other places to make it sound like they've been monitoring every second of a player's season/career. Not on this forum though. I'm sure Mikey has personally rang each person on here and simply shouted "I'M ON A F*CKING MISSION TO WIN THE CL THIS SEASON JUST YOU WATCH".

    Btw, whoever was critisizing Liverpool fans for voting for a Liverpool win. Seriously? How dare fans back their own team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Liverpool
    We're unquestionably the underdog. Chelsea's away goal means that the tie is theirs to lose. Their record at Stamford Bridge is formidable. They beat an (admittedly poor) Man Utd at the weekend, and their confidence will be high.

    They didn't beat a poor Man Utd imo, they just outplayed us completely. Utterly dominated midfield and really were something else.

    If Chelsea play like that against Liverpool I think they'll breeze through the tie. That said, they are unlikely to play that well.
    I'm excited though :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    I want Liverpool to get through .... of course, but who will is anyone's guess at the moment. Chelsea are clearly in the driving seat and have the advantage so betting money is on them. Still, its football, so anything can happen.

    Its a mouth-watering prospect tonight, not in terms of a football goal fest thriller, but in a game of wills at least. Yes, I too hope that the players will give their all come what may, and they can walk off at the end knowing that 100% was given, and that Liverpool fans will be singing YNWA come whatever the result.

    Stating the obvious but Liverpool need to score, as 0-0 tonight means that Chelsea go through. But even if Chelsea should get a first goal, from an error or a gift or just by sheer good play, Liverpool's run in Europe is not over, as a goal will get us right back in it. So, its all to play for and the first goal tonight wont decide the tie.

    If it does go to penalties with a 1-1, Reina is our trump card there. Cech is good at penalties too but Reina is better. However, during the game Cech is clearly better and Reina can be a source of leaked goals. So, we may not get to penalties.

    I'm not nervous and I dont think the Liverpool players will be either. The way Liverpool outplayed Chelsea last week should be a boon to most (apart from Riise of course!) and keep them focussed on the task in hand. If Riise plays, I hope he doesnt try and over-compensate by looking for a wonder goal from 40-yards. The players are all well rested physically and mentally.

    These games though can be won on a small difference - a mistake, a penalty claim, something not given, etc. Something like that could determine it. The men on the field from both teams will be measured by how they respond.

    Its a good match-up .... enjoy,

    Redspider


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