S04E04 - Escape Velocity [***SPOILERS***]

Sherifu

A bit of a slow burner this week, character driven. I still really enjoyed it though. Highlights for me were the chief sounding off on the admiral and the scenes with Caprica 6 and Sol. Top action scene with the raptor too.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Ok

Niid Moar

Gonzo_Reporter

Ok

Humm very interesting indeed. Very religious orientated, never thought it would get this deep into religion (meaning a fight between the “old gods” and the Christian religion). Maybe Botlar is a Mosses figure LoL.
Leads 'God's people' to the promised land... being Earth of course.

Really liked the Raptor bit, I enjoy knowing the workings of the ship, so seeing people in suits walking along the deck answered a few questions I had.

As it has been said it was a slow one this week, no harm though, it wasnt a filler. Sigh Chef and what her face (i always forget her name!) are all going down their own a path of discovery, I doubt they will end up in the same place. I dont think Chief's screw up was intentional hes just messed up in the head for it all.

Getting even more frustrated with Rosalyn way of ruling. Dont know how other feel?

Im no closer to deciding who the last one is!

User45701

Good

Well i thought it might be this lilly one as soon as they introduced her and i think bsg will have a female god as oposed to a male god. Very funny when headsix was holding baltar up like a rag dol but it was a fantastic episode. Very good i was only going to give it a oik because nothing futrther on the cylon war. Loved the tigh story and baltars preech at the end so it got a 10/10 this has been a great season so far and its only going to get better.

In a interview on region1 razor dvd there is interviews with all the cast and E James olmos said his favourite episode is one we havent seen yet (allot oif the cast and ron all said they fav episode was 33)

Gummy Panda

Good

I really enjoyed the chief moaning about cally and how he settled for her. Damn straight! the state of cally compared to boomer.

Ofc Baltar is played brilliant as usual. Kinda sick of the president and her pseudo dictatorship.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Ok

cally was hot, you take that back

Sherifu

Ok

Mordeth wrote: »

cally was hot, you take that back

nah, she was a bit of a witch. pushin' a sprog out affected her badly.

tvnutz

Poor

Meh...alright episode I guess. Getting fed up with the president as well,ther were some good character moments but I dislike purely character driven episodes and purely action driven episodes,you need a bit of both. Seeing the raptor crash wasn't really enough action in case anyone mentions it! Was looking forward to more cylon civil war stuff but wasn't to be.

6/10

Sherifu

Ok

tvnutz wrote: »

Seeing the raptor crash wasn't really enough action in case anyone mentions it!

That would be post #1 :pac:

Johnny Storm

Ok

User45701 wrote: »

.. Very funny when headsix was holding baltar up like a rag dol but it was a fantastic episode. ...

How is this even possible? Not to be a nitpicker but being able to pick Baltar up is a long way from just existing in Baltar's head. If she can do that, what's to stop her from shooting Adama or whatever she wants?:pac:

And yes it was a fantastic ep. I thought Tigh's acting was excellent when he thought Six was Ellen talking about him rather than Six talking about Baltar. I think making him a Cylon is a waste of a fine character.

User45701

Good

She has hit him before, when she thought Hera was dead. Smaed his head up against a wall as i recall. i dont know if she did pick him up but him imagining someone helping him probbley gave his limbs the rag doll look.

IamBeowulf

Good

Yeah think "Fight Club", he's doing it to himself. She's the spark in him, the Guiding Light----though I think she is guiding him to a very messy end.

BRILLIANT EPISODE. James callis is faultless at bringing humour to any situation without ever ruining the meaning behind it. Loved Olmos as well, he might have been semi-castrated in the last few episodes but in his eyes, you could really believe he was hurting---both in the confrontation with tyrol, and his moments with the Prez.

10 out of 10 easily. Bring on the next ep.

Pepe LeFrits

What the frak was that?

Not good.

AceofSpades001

Poor

Sol and Six, just a little bit over the top. I liked the whole fight between adama and tyrol though. I agree with Johnny, the ragdoll effect is a bit much... although starbuck did come back after being blown up... Galactica sets its own f****ing (or frakking) rules, physics be damned.:D

IamBeowulf

Good

The Saul/Six scenes were linked to the core question of this show: if Cylons and Humans are made of the same blood, tissue, organs and minds...then what's the difference between them? The Doc remarked somewhere in the 1st/2nd season about how Cylons' organs were identical to our own, and why didn't they improve...

What this epsiode confirmed for me, IMHO etc... is that science and religion both provide contradicting, opposing, yet equally valid answers to our questions. Machine and man look, act and think alike too...and the climax ofthis show, I believe, is gonna suckerpunch us bigtime

Overheal

Ok

I kept thinking how torri was mentioning mixed signals between pain and pleasure, as I saw 6's face keep switching back and forth to that old hag

7/10 tbh.

Cina

Good episode, but the word frak is SERIOUSLY getting overused. It makes me cringe every time I hear it.

Sherifu

Ok

Cina wrote: »

Good episode, but the word frak is SERIOUSLY getting overused. It makes me cringe every time I hear it.

Frakking right!

Vokes

IamBeowulf wrote: »

Yeah think "Fight Club", he's doing it to himself.

I think so. He's netiher a Cylon nor has a chip in his head. Just has a messed up psyche. Understandable all things considered.

Stark

Poor

Except that the Six in his head has told him things he couldn't possibly have known himself on many an occasion.

AceofSpades001

Poor

Stark wrote: »

Except that the Six in his head has told him things he couldn't possibly have known himself on many an occasion.

As opposed to Fight Club where Ed Norton suddenly became an explosives expert. Let's face it, it's not gonna make sense, let's just enjoy the ride.:D

Jim

Ok

Enjoyable epsiode. A few very good scenes. Thought the whole Sol / 6th scene was a bit overdone, but as people said the Admiral / Cheif scene was excellent.

While I enjoy these type of episodes alot I find myself liking the Cylon scenes more than the Human ones. Was annoyed there was none this week.

It also feels slightly disappointing. Every week we pray to find out something new, or something old be explained, but this doesn't seem to be happening at all though so far. I shall wait though.

*twiddles thumbs*

Boston

anyone else think Ellen was a Six model cylon just aged?

Stark

Poor

Yup. The resemblance was fairly spooky.

John_C

Stark wrote: »

Except that the Six in his head has told him things he couldn't possibly have known himself on many an occasion.

Are there many examples of that? It's a few years since I watched the first few seasons but I always put those things down to Baltar's own intelligence. Line in the miniseries when he picked out Doral as a likely Cylon.

User45701

Good

fair enough but what about when he picket the target for the attack on the tilliam? or when he was told to ask for a nucular war head? was that his subconscience mind? is six really just in his head?

I loved the scene twards the end of season 2 when he anounces he is going to run for prez and head six is just in the audience clapping.

Goodshape

Ok

Really good episode. Not quite top marks, but probably the strongest contender so far this season.

Fantastic performances all around. Really great character driven stuff.

The Cylon story has been full of action in the last few episodes - which is fun - but it's just not really sitting right with me from a dramatic and narrative point of view. I think, as this episode demonstrates, there's more than enough going on without the need for an additional Cylon civil war story-arc... and I was kind of happy it wasn't featured this week. (although I'm sure they'll make good with it before too long.)

I kind of agree that revealing Tigh as a Cylon is, while interesting, potentially a waste of a great character. So far this season there's been no references made to his drinking or other established vices and not much mention of his close relationship with Adama - who I would have thought would notice the changes in his XO and friends behaviour (uncharacteristically distracted, distant, and sneaking around). But, again, at only four episodes in it could be just too early to pass judgement on that. I'm certainly looking forward to some Tigh/Adama scenes in the future.

His scenes with Six/Ellen this week were fine. I guess that's just him coming to terms with being a toaster.. nothing spectacular to watch or write about really... unless you want to start speculating that Ellen is either an old Six, or the final Cylon... but I prefer leaving the guess work out of it tbh

Does Six know that Tigh's one of the five?


Baltar is just a joy to watch as usual, regardless of what he's doing, and I actually quite like where they're going with Roslin. She's dying and she knows it. She's loosing her focus and the high ideals and standards she once had in favour of getting as much of what she thinks needs to be done set in motion before she goes. She could be really dangerous.

And Tyrol was just brilliant. Out of the four revealed Cylons, he's the most interesting to me at the moment. Even if he were human he'd be in a ****ed up place right now... dead wife, child to look after, demoted... add toaster-status to that, and throw in some brilliant acting for good measure, and I can't wait to see what happens next.

Role on next week!

John_C

User45701 wrote: »

fair enough but what about when he picket the target for the attack on the tilliam? or when he was told to ask for a nucular war head? was that his subconscience mind? is six really just in his head?

I don't think six helped him pick the tilliam target. He was already familiar with how tilliam is processed and then had to pick the building that looked most like a storage structure. Six told him to just guess or let god guide his hand but she didn't point out the building to him. That's consistent with the idea of six not existing and Baltar just being a smart guy.

I don't remember the nuclear bomb as clearly. Didn't six tell him to ask for one and them make the rest up? Since Baltar then turned it into a Cylon detector the idea that he needed one must have existed within his own brain, unless six also told him how to make the Cylon detector as well.

Ivan

Ok

She certainly seemed to nudge him in the right direction... but aside from all of the questions surrounding Baltar having a version of Six in his head, what about the fact that Six has a version of Baltar in her head?

Khannie

What the frak was that?

I thought this was the most boring episode of BSG I've seen in ages. I gave it a "poor" rating. I think the curve in the poll accurately suggests that it's the weakest of season 4 so far.

BlaasForRafa

What the frak was that?

They should really check the thermostat on the demetrius, its a right old sweatbucket.

Also Tigh as a cylon needs to be explained more. Tigh fought with adama in the original cylon war when skinjobs supposedly didn't exist yet. So how and when did they clone him and replace the original tigh?

5uspect

Poor

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They should really check the thermostat on the demetrius, its a right old sweatbucket.

Also Tigh as a cylon needs to be explained more. Tigh fought with adama in the original cylon war when skinjobs supposedly didn't exist yet. So how and when did they clone him and replace the original tigh?

They might have done it on New Caprica during the occupation when he was interned.

stakey

Good

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They should really check the thermostat on the demetrius, its a right old sweatbucket.

Also Tigh as a cylon needs to be explained more. Tigh fought with adama in the original cylon war when skinjobs supposedly didn't exist yet. So how and when did they clone him and replace the original tigh?

It's looking like the other five might be older than the other eight skinjobs. Perhaps the original five had been around since the first war?

Stark

Poor

User45701 wrote: »

Loved the tigh story and baltars preech at the end so it got a 10/10 this has been a great season so far and its only going to get better.

If current episodes are 10/10, but the episodes due to get better, does that mean that we need an 11/10 rating for future episodes?

"This is Spinal Tap" anyone?

BlaasForRafa

What the frak was that?

On the special ep Razor they showed Adama in a cylon experimental facility where they were presumably developing the cloning process. Thats where he met the first hybrid cylon (who would go on to be the basis for the hybrids that control the base stars.

I would have presumed that to mean that the skinjobs were developed after the war but tissue could have been taken from Sol at any stage of the war, there has been a few mentions of him being in close combat with cylons during ship boardings.

The age of the cylons is another confusing issue, do their numbers relate to when they were developed? Cavill (the dean stockwell character) seems to be the oldest cylon but that dosen't necessarily mean he was develped first since they come out of the gunk tanks as fully grown adults. (side note, imagine coming out of the resurrection tank and your already a 60 year old Cavill when theres all their younger clones running about, no wonder he's always crotchedy LOL)

Also isn't it a bit of a coincidence that 3 of the skinjobs became officers on the Galatica before the war (Tigh, Valeri and Tyrol). The Galactica was a worn out tub on the way to retirement when hostilities broke out. How could the cylons possibly have presumed that galactica would be this important....or did the writers just get stuck and for budgetary reasons just use actors already in the series to avoid having to pay for more recurring guest stars?

Goodshape

Ok

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Also isn't it a bit of a coincidence that 3 of the skinjobs became officers on the Galatica before the war (Tigh, Valeri and Tyrol).

That could be the reason why Galactica survived.

And/or perhaps they choose to stick close to Adama following his actions depicted in Razor.

BlaasForRafa

What the frak was that?

Goodshape wrote: »

That could be the reason why Galactica survived.

And/or perhaps they choose to stick close to Adama following his actions depicted in Razor.

We know why the galactica survived, thats not the point. The point is could the cylons have known that of all the 120 battlestars that the galactica would survive the war?

BlaasForRafa

What the frak was that?

Goodshape wrote: »

That could be the reason why Galactica survived.

And/or perhaps they choose to stick close to Adama following his actions depicted in Razor.

We know why the galactica survived, thats not the point. The point is could the cylons have known that of all the 120 battlestars that the galactica would survive the war?

Goodshape

Ok

It might have been part of their plan, and the reason why the planted agents in relatively high ranking positions on the ship to begin with.

Or maybe it was just coincidence. I don't think it's dreadfully important tbh.

User45701

Good

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They should really check the thermostat on the demetrius, its a right old sweatbucket.

Also Tigh as a cylon needs to be explained more. Tigh fought with adama in the original cylon war when skinjobs supposedly didn't exist yet. So how and when did they clone him and replace the original tigh?

John_C wrote: »

I don't think six helped him pick the tilliam target. He was already familiar with how tilliam is processed and then had to pick the building that looked most like a storage structure. Six told him to just guess or let god guide his hand but she didn't point out the building to him. That's consistent with the idea of six not existing and Baltar just being a smart guy.

I don't remember the nuclear bomb as clearly. Didn't six tell him to ask for one and them make the rest up? Since Baltar then turned it into a Cylon detector the idea that he needed one must have existed within his own brain, unless six also told him how to make the Cylon detector as well.

I think twice she has told him what to say word for word but she also guides/pokes him allot.

Ivan wrote: »

She certainly seemed to nudge him in the right direction... but aside from all of the questions surrounding Baltar having a version of Six in his head, what about the fact that Six has a version of Baltar in her head?

Or that Baltar has a Baltar in his head?

Ivan wrote: »

She certainly seemed to nudge him in the right direction... but aside from all of the questions surrounding Baltar having a version of Six in his head, what about the fact that Six has a version of Baltar in her head?

"Where Cylons and we have been from the start" There are only 12 models the cylons cant or else dont make new models (maybe they can make them but dont because they dont want to share power? They did install devices in centruaians to inhibit their higher coritcal functions...)

I belive they have always been cylons.

If you make a AI and give it a organic body how long is it before it is human? i mean looks/feels like a human, no artificial parts. Sounds human to me no different than different colour skin.

I do think your right they tigh needs more explenation though.

The one i dont understand is how do the cylons know there are 12 models if they have never seen a 5 and if they are programed not to discuss the Final Five

Stark wrote: »

If current episodes are 10/10, but the episodes due to get better, does that mean that we need an 11/10 rating for future episodes?

"This is Spinal Tap" anyone?

Well i would reference you over to the lost fourm (apparently they ban people for saying others are voting too high, sound silly to me but i dont frequent that forum so i dont know how bad it was)

I also dont understand the spianl tap reference i know there a band and everythign but meh.

It was a 10/10 episode almost all BSG episodes are.

Im assuming it well get better because one of the main charactros when asked what their fav episode was said its one we have not seen yet.

Goodshape wrote: »

That could be the reason why Galactica survived.

And/or perhaps they choose to stick close to Adama following his actions depicted in Razor.

Tyrol & tigh had no mission (that we know of and the 7 cylons who planned the attack on the colonies would not have even known the 5 lived there.

Boomer/Valeri was a sleaper agent on a mission.

I thought the galactica surived because it was not at picon fleet headquarters?

- I am looking fofrward to seeing the poll on wendesday when the Sk1 viewers have had a chance to see the episode and comment.

Stark

Poor

User45701 wrote: »

Well i would reference you over to the lost fourm (apparently they ban people for saying others are voting too high, sound silly to me but i dont frequent that forum so i dont know how bad it was)

I also dont understand the spianl tap reference i know there a band and everythign but meh.

It was a 10/10 episode almost all BSG episodes are.

Im assuming it well get better because one of the main charactros when asked what their fav episode was said its one we have not seen yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaD9v460yI

User45701 wrote:

I thought the galactica surived because it was not at picon fleet headquarters?

It was because it had antiquated technology which wasn't affected by the cylon computer virus. (with the exception of it's newer vipers and raptors, many of which were wiped out during the initial fight with the cylons, forcing Adama to send the Mark 2s into action).

Khannie

What the frak was that?

User45701 wrote: »

It was a 10/10 episode almost all BSG episodes are.

Im assuming it well get better because one of the main charactros when asked what their fav episode was said its one we have not seen yet.

Starks point is this (great vid Stark): If it's a 10/10 then it's perfect. How can it get better?

Rev Hellfire

Good

I think we all understand what User45701 means when they say 10/10.
Stark was been 'humorous' you're all reading to much into it :rolleyes:

kramerica

Khannie wrote: »

Starks point is this (great vid Stark): If it's a 10/10 then it's perfect. How can it get better?

Do you not see? Baltar said that we are all perfect in Ep 4, ergo everything we do is perfect, therefore every episode of Galactica is perfect! So they're ALL 10/10...

John_C

User45701 wrote: »

I think twice she has told him what to say word for word but she also guides/pokes him allot.

That's true but it doesn't rule out the possibility that she's only in his imagination. My brain tells me what to say word for word and guides me a lot. For her to be something other than Baltar's sub conscience she'd need to tell him something he couldn't have known himself. I'm trying to think of an example of this but I can't. For example, Six didn't tell him that Boomer's a cylon, Boomer came in and asked to be cylon tested.

The only thing I can think of that contradicts the theory is the episode where Six disappears from his head, becomes real and accuses him of being a traitor. Adama had her under guard but she walks around a corner and disappears which is an ability neither cylons not imaginary friends possess.

Stark

Poor

There was the episode where she told him a tactical location on a Cylon ship that was spot on, which he couldn't have gotten by chance. She also told him about the Cylons' plans for human-cylon hybrids.

John_C

Stark wrote: »

There was the episode where she told him a tactical location on a Cylon ship that was spot on, which he couldn't have gotten by chance. She also told him about the Cylons' plans for human-cylon hybrids.

Fair enough, I'm probably in the wrong so.

Edit: Also, didn't she tell Baltar that a cylon/human baby was on the way when Athena was still on Caprica? I think my theory is fairly blown out of the water.

Dr. Baltar

Ok

Is it just me or does Roslin look like Cain now?

IamBeowulf

Good

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Is it just me or does Roslin look like Cain now?

I think they've a similar bone structure (cheekbones especially), plus Cain and Roslin have a similar fringe.

Unfortunately for Roslin, the fringe is thanks to the wig which in turn, is thanks to the cancer eating her up. Ouch!

On a similar topic, Roslin is showing all the signs of turning cold and immoral. That little chat she had with Baltar made my spine tingle.

Khannie

What the frak was that?

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

I think we all understand what User45701 means when they say 10/10.

Yes. I think we all know that User45701 is a fanboy.

"but this one goes to 11!"

Only slaggin' User45701.

Slutmonkey57b

Ok

Loved the Chief ranting to Adama.
Don't like the increasing religious bollocks overtone to the whole show. Balthar is of course magnificent but if Moore turns this into another "religious" show like DS9 I'll be very disappointed.