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Worlds best 11 post 1994 World Cup

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Boggles wrote: »
    People putting Messi into there teams, need a stern talking to. Maybe when ye are playing this game in 5 years time he might make in.

    I agree.


    Actually, Laudrup would be a pretty good shout too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV


    Buffon

    Zambrotta Nesta Cannavaro Maldini

    Del Piero Kaka Zidane Nedved

    Baggio Ronaldo(mc donalds)



    Cech
    Thuram
    Davids
    Henry
    Trezeguet
    Terry
    Gabriel Batistuta ( GOD ) *bows*


    Manager - Lippi (no doubt)

    seems to be alot of people connected to Juve in alot peoples teams ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV


    You cannot be a Juve fan if you've left out Alessandro Del Piero. Shame on you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNVxpMUUnB8&feature=related

    One of the greatest goals ever scored.

    Del piero is a great role model, what a legend, 17 goals this season in serie A, he never ever slowed down. Perfectionist is an understatement. makes my top 11 without a doubt.european player of year 97/98 ish too? and still poppin them in. wish i could shake hands with the man , maybe some day i will!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    spiderdan wrote: »
    Left winger- I found it the hardest position- no one really stood out- I went for Messi as he has that bit of magic in him, we could/ probably will be talking about him being an all time great!

    Anyone disagree that Zidane is by far the greatest of his generation??

    I can't choose between him and Ronaldo. It genuinely saddens me that we don't get to see them astonish us anymore.
    Boggles wrote: »
    People putting Messi into there teams, need a stern talking to. Maybe when ye are playing this game in 5 years time he might make in.
    Agreed. I saw through page four Ronaldo mentioned in many teams and hoped to **** they didn't mean Cristiano so I had to read through the previous pages to confirm just to retain my sanity.

    Schmeichel (his value in United winning the treble in 99 deserves more attention)

    Cafu (crazy ****er who never stopped running)
    Cannavaro (the rest of the italian job)
    Nesta (the rest of the italian job)
    Maldini (true professional. Elegant)

    Figo
    Zidane (God post Ronaldo injury)
    Keane (go on ya good thing)
    Ronaldinho (genius with the ball)

    Ronaldo (God)
    Shevchenko (fantastic striker)

    Subs:
    Buffon
    Kaka (put keane ahead of him because you need someone who isn't primarily offensive in midfield)
    Rivaldo (tough choice between him and Ronaldinho)
    Batistuta (the goal machine)
    Redondo (another elegant player)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    eZe^ wrote: »
    I mean, 100 goals in 450 games in the league is ridiculous for a defender, as well as 30 in 90 for Spain.
    He played one season for Madrid mostly up front and scored over 20 goals. I think that was the year Toshack won the title with the team scoring over 100 goals in the league. Maybe it was after that. He also played in midfield a lot, took all their penalties and scored many free kicks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    kinaldo wrote: »
    He played one season for Madrid mostly up front and scored over 20 goals. I think that was the year Toshack won the title with the team scoring over 100 goals in the league. Maybe it was after that. He also played in midfield a lot, took all their penalties and scored many free kicks.

    Ya, but when in Midfield he was still a DMF, I dont think Ive heard stats like that for any other defender to play the game.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy



    Schmeichel

    --Cafu----Nesta
    Desailly----Maldini-

    Keane
    Zidane

    -Figo
    Ronaldinho-
    Baggio

    Ronaldo


    reckon between zidane and baggio you could expect some magic to happen. and ronaldo is the best finisher of his generation... and if they dont score Roy Keane would EAT THEM!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    You cannot be a Juve fan if you've left out Alessandro Del Piero. Shame on you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNVxpMUUnB8&feature=related

    One of the greatest goals ever scored.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7zTDASWiGY&NR=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    DSB wrote: »
    Schmeichel

    Cafu
    Maldini
    McGrath
    Cannavaro

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Zidane
    Vieira
    Giggs

    Ronaldo
    Henry

    Are you an Arsenal fan? Obviously this is a subjective thing and people are entitled to their opinions. However, I cannot see how Vieira could possibly get into this team. He was owned constantly by Keane during his career.

    I think Redondo is a good shout and can still remember the Real / Utd game from a few years back which I think was one of the few occasions where Keane came up short in a pressure tie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taoUoCzZPpE


    I originally stuck Messi in on my time but I think Boggles is right. The more I think about the left wing position the more I think you have to stick Nedved in.

    He could do it all in many ways - tough competitor; great team player; very useful from set pieces; able to score sublime goals; able to beat people with the ball at feet. I think he has an edge over Giggs in that he was a more rounded footballer and had a better ability to come inside and play from the centre of the pitch. Plus, if you are going to have a team of superstars and a midfield that has versatile players like Zidane and Figo who can switch and interchange then I think Nedved is a better fit than Giggs.

    The thought of Figo; Zidane; Keane; Nedved all at their peaks in the one midfield is a bit terrifying. How would you stop them? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6



    Schmeichel

    Cafu
    Desailly
    Nesta
    Maldini

    Hierro

    Zidane
    Figo

    Del Piero---Bergkamp

    Ronaldo

    Subs:

    Buffon
    Batistuta
    Ronaldinho
    Totti
    Cannavaro
    Redondo
    Henry


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Jazzy wrote: »
    --Cafu----Nesta
    Nesta----Maldini-

    So good you named him twice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »

    The more I think about the left wing position the more I think you have to stick Nedved in.

    He could do it all in many ways - tough competitor; great team player; very useful from set pieces; able to score sublime goals; able to beat people with the ball at feet. I think he has an edge over Giggs in that he was a more rounded footballer and had a better ability to come inside and play from the centre of the pitch. Plus, if you are going to have a team of superstars and a midfield that has versatile players like Zidane and Figo who can switch and interchange then I think Nedved is a better fit than Giggs.

    The thought of Figo; Zidane; Keane; Nedved all at their peaks in the one midfield is a bit terrifying. How would you stop them? :confused:

    Couldn't agree more about Pavel. He's 35 and has been playing at the top level since joining Lazio in '96. It's no wonder that the Czech Rep. has punched above its weight for the last few tournaments. He is such a consummate professional (in the keane mode) and such a role model off the pitch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDUgTwF3eLs&feature=related


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,121 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne



    Schmeichel

    Cafu---Cannavaro---Adams----Maldini

    Figo
    Möller*
    Zidane
    Giggs

    Ronaldo
    Shearer

    Subs
    Kahn
    Nesta
    Keane
    Bergkamp
    Del Piero
    Zola
    Makelele

    *I know Möller wouldn't be most people top choice, but he's one of my favourite players ever and he was brilliant for both Dortmund and Germany.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Schmeicel
    Cafu
    McGrath
    Nesta
    Maldini

    Figo
    Zidame
    Keane
    Ronaldinho

    Ronaldo
    Baggio

    Subs:
    Buffon
    Scholes
    Nedved
    Romario
    Hierro
    Giggs
    Dessaily


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


                  Buffon
    
    Thuram - Nesta - Cannavaro - Maldini
    
             Makelele - Redondo 
    
        Figo - Zidane - Ronaldiho
    
              (Real)Ronaldo
    


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Sol Campbell is a good shout. Probably England's best defender in a long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭spiderdan


    It'll be interesting to see the best overall based on the number of votes- from a quick glance through I'd say a few are shoo ins...


    Based on 4.4.2. system! that is


    Schmeichael
    Cafu
    Maldini
    Figo
    Keane
    Zidane (C)
    Ronaldo


    A few interesting debates of note! Not so sure, I personally based much of my decisions on achievement i.e. International as well as club, too many players especially Spanish have consistently failed on the international stage, i.e. players like Raul, Hiero, etc undoubtedly great players but they haven't even come close to any international success.

    I find the Cannavaoro, Nesta, Dessaily, debate extremely hard to call all of which are proven winners with World Cups, chams league, etc! Nedved on the left is a great choice IMO what a player!! I can see why Giggs is getting a few mentions, dominated the English league, but 1 champs league and Wales did him no favors, Nedved and Roaldinho and Rivaldo all ahead IMO.

    One player I’m surprised to see not getting much of a mention is Kaka, he's had a poor season but he's been on fire the past 2 years!! And Steffen Effenberg too, B Munich did win a chaps league, Ballack another great player, dragged Germany through so many matches!

    I'm very happy to see Redondo getting a few shouts- I mean I've never seen Keane look as clueless in a match before. And the back heel on Berg!! My god!!!

    A few quotes.

    “What does this player have in his boots? A magnet?” . Alex Ferguson

    “a tactically perfect player.” Fabio Capello

    Plus the fact when he moved to A.C. Milan he refused to take his first 2 years wages as he was constantly injured! What a legend, a true pro!!

    Best DM- so close to call, can you choose him and Keane?? I personally like one DM along with an AM, with 2 upfront, but today 2DM and an AM with one upfront seems to be the most common- Chelsea, Barca, Utd, Liverpool!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Schmeicel
    Cafu
    McGrath
    Nesta
    Maldini

    Figo
    Zidame
    Keane
    Ronaldinho

    Ronaldo
    Baggio


    almost snap!
    Desailly > McGrath imo but its close :p
    i appreciate Baggio fans :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV


    Couldn't agree more about Pavel. He's 35 and has been playing at the top level since joining Lazio in '96. It's no wonder that the Czech Rep. has punched above its weight for the last few tournaments. He is such a consummate professional (in the keane mode) and such a role model off the pitch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDUgTwF3eLs&feature=related

    nice clip, Nedved is amazing and still is, i think hes about to sign a new 1 year contract at juventus. playing great this year. great at long shots! seen him score a cracker earlier in the season . amazing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Jazzy wrote: »
    almost snap!
    Desailly > McGrath imo but its close :p
    i appreciate Baggio fans :pac:

    Can't say I'm not being biased. For me, Keane and McGrath are just the greatest:D I think if this was realistic, taking into account McGraths injury and drink issues, Desailly would get it. But he was just my fav player in his day. Awesome.

    Funnily enough, I don't see any England player bar Shearer. Has there really been none that could make it. I have Scholes in mine, allbeit on the bench, can't say I'd have anyone else though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    In terms of England players, once again I think Campbell deserves a shout at CB. Ashley Cole also would be up there for LBs were it not for Maldini being just perfect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    PHB wrote: »
    In terms of England players, once again I think Campbell deserves a shout at CB. Ashley Cole also would be up there for LBs were it not for Maldini being just perfect.


    But they're just not quite good enough. Kind of like the story of the England team really:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    PHB wrote: »
    In terms of England players, once again I think Campbell deserves a shout at CB. Ashley Cole also would be up there for LBs were it not for Maldini being just perfect.

    Irwin although not English, but this is a world 11, would be streets ahead of Cole, not quite near Maldini thou.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    PHB wrote: »
    In terms of England players, once again I think Campbell deserves a shout at CB. Ashley Cole also would be up there for LBs were it not for Maldini being just perfect.

    IMO Adams was far superior to Sol in terms of english CB's
    He wasnt as fast as Sol put read the game far better was at the top of his game for longer and won more throphies.

    Scholes was a great player and the best english midfeilder of the last 15 years but there is just to much competition in midfeild for him to make it

    Blackburn era Shearer was the kind of goal machine you rarely see 110 goals in 130 appearances or something like that only pre injury ronaldo can compare to a 3-4 year spell of goalscoring like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy



    Schmeichel

    Irwin
    Desailly
    Nesta
    Maldini

    Keane (c)

    ----Figo
    Stoichkov

    Bergkamp

    Ronaldo
    Romario

    Subs:

    Taffarel
    Thuram
    Ronaldinho
    Beckham (pre-circus)
    Roberto Baggio
    Ruud Van Nistelrooy
    Thierry Henry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Blackburn era Shearer was the kind of goal machine you rarely see 110 goals in 130 appearances or something like that only pre injury ronaldo can compare to a 3-4 year spell of goalscoring like that.

    Do you mean he's the only one who can compare in that period of time of one of the only people ever? I disagree with both.

    Of all time;
    Alfredo Di Stefano;
    Apps Goals
    River Plate
    66
    50
    Huracan
    25
    11
    Millonarios
    294
    267
    Real Madrid
    282
    216
    Espanyol
    21
    9


    Primera División Argentina: 1945, 1947
    Copa Bodas de Oro del Real Madrid: 1952
    Colombian Championship: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953
    Colombian Cup: 1953
    La Liga: 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
    Copa del Rey: 1962
    European Cup: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960
    Intercontinental Cup: 1960
    Pequeña Copa del Mundo de Clubes: 1953, 1956
    Latin Cup: 1955, 1957

    His goal scoring ratio is only bettered by Puskas as I know, who scored 589 goals in 529 games domestically, and 84 goals in 85 games for the Hungary national side.


    Recent times;
    Raul Gonzalez;

    95/96 26 goals
    96/97 22 goals
    97/98 15 goals
    98/99 29 goals
    99/00 29 goals
    00/01 32 goals
    01/02 29 goals
    02/03 25 goals
    03/04 20 goals

    If thats not up there with Shearer's/ Ronaldo's record then I dont know what is tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    Do you mean he's the only one who can compare in that period of time of one of the only people ever? I disagree with both.

    I meant in this generation as that is what this thread is specifically about
    Raul does have a fantastic record and have scored 20+ goals for many seaosn consecutively but not as many over a three-4 year spell as shearer
    93-94 P 40 S31
    94-95 P 42 S 34
    95-96 P 35 S 31
    in the 3 seasons following a cruitiate
    Raul is/was a great player but he shearers slightly better


    Also Di Stefano's 76% strike rate for Real is trumped by Gunnar Northals 82% strike rate for milan 210 goals in 257 games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    I meant in this generation as that is what this thread is specifically about
    Raul does have a fantastic record and have scored 20+ goals for many seaosn consecutively but not as many over a three-4 year spell as shearer
    93-94 P 40 S31
    94-95 P 42 S 34
    95-96 P 35 S 31
    in the 3 seasons following a cruitiate
    Raul is/was a great player but he shearers slightly better


    Also Di Stefano's 76% strike rate for Real is trumped by Gunnar Northals 82% strike rate for milan 210 goals in 257 games


    Then take these seasons;

    98/99 29 goals
    99/00 29 goals
    00/01 32 goals

    Only behind Shearer by 6 goals over there 3 year comparisons. Hardly like that's of a enough difference to not put him up there too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    *I know Möller wouldn't be most people top choice, but he's one of my favourite players ever and he was brilliant for both Dortmund and Germany.

    Good shout! I wouldn't stick him in ahead of Keane but he was sooooome player.

    I'm really enjoying this thread.

    Stoichkov has been mentioned a few times, but I wonder if he played his best football before and during 1994? Hagi stuck around for about 6 years after and I remember him captaining Romania against Italy in Euro 2000. Italy won but Hagi was the best player on the pitch and hit the bar and went close a couple of times creating chances from nothing. I think I'd have him on my bench because he could turn a game in a second. There were questions about his consistency and temperament - but when he wanted it, he could destroy.

    A player who hasn't been mentioned (probably rightly) is Marc Wilmots. He was never a superstar and played most of his career in Germany / Belguim so fans over here wouldn't have heard of him. But he was a hell of a player. Exceptional technically with a great competitive attitude.


    To people who still put Makelele and Vieria in ahead of Keane. Consider that the video of Keane vs France at Lansdowne in Sep 2005 is used by many academies in the UK as an example training video of how to play defensive midfield.


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