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Avram Grant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    Atari Jaguar
    I went with "talented manager" but what I meant was "unfair scapegoat". I feel sorry for the guy. He got his tactics wrong last night though, but once again got out of jail. And that shows me that at the very least he has instilled a resolve in his team.

    The resolve was instilled by Mourinho and it's dwindling rapidly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Isn't there a stat around that shows, had Mourinho had the same win percentage in his games this season, as Grant has had, then Chelsea would be top of the table. That speaks volumes to me of the Job Grant has performed so far.
    Seemingly that doesn't matter to people who have bought into the hype.

    Grant is doing a very good job, Chelsea have more than a slight chance of winning a PL/CL double this season.

    With a team of players he didn't buy.

    With constant media pressure saying he is not liked by the players.

    With being undermined from all quarters, apart from those who matter, the owner of Chelsea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    DesF wrote: »
    Seemingly that doesn't matter to people who have bought into the hype.

    Grant is doing a very good job, Chelsea have more than a slight chance of winning a PL/CL double this season.

    With a team of players he didn't buy.

    With constant media pressure saying he is not liked by the players.

    With being undermined from all quarters, apart from those who matter, the owner of Chelsea.

    With the best squad of players in the league, by far. Having taken over from a manager that was undermined by the one person who did matter - the owner, with no small help from Grant himself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Atari Jaguar
    But not as good as Stan.

    This has not been proven yet!

    The only way we could determine this is so is if were both managers in competition againsts each other, perhaps with Stan back as Ireland manager and Grant returning to Israel.

    More likely however would be that Grant stays on at Chelsea and Stan gets offered the Man United job when Sir Alex Ferguson dies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Tauren wrote: »
    With the best squad of players in the league, by far.
    I'd argue that tbh.

    As for the undermining.

    yeah, Abramovic wanted Jose gone. It's his call.

    Now, do people really think he would install a clown just because they are mates?

    Is RA an idiot? Would he sacrifice success just to give his mate a gig?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    DesF how dare you counter act the Chelsea bashing with some truthful and common sense posts?

    I completely agree with you and that comment about Chelsea not deserving to be there as they don't play 70's style Dutch football is just pure tripe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Atari Jaguar
    Look, there's playing well and then grinding out results when you have to.
    And there's playing poorly consistantly and getting results.
    I'm not talking about style of football, I'm talking about how well they are playing.
    Their last 6 matches against Everton, Wigan, City, Boro, Arsenal, Spurs.
    The only match they won convincingly was City. The rest were all grinded out with a bit of luck, like Alves missing 2 easy easy chances against them.

    Chelsea are doing the latter. They've rode their luck something fierce to get to this point in the league.

    That's why every once in a while, Chelsea lose their games against ****e, because they've been playing ****e, and lose to Barnsley and Fenerbache.

    It's why in most of the big games this year, Grant has messed up. To say he did well last night is silly.
    They can still win the league, no doubt about that, but they will have been the most undeserving winners I've ever seen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    PHB wrote: »
    Look, there's playing well and then grinding out results when you have to.
    And there's playing poorly consistantly and getting results.
    I'm not talking about style of football, I'm talking about how well they are playing.
    Their last 6 matches against Everton, Wigan, City, Boro, Arsenal, Spurs.
    The only match they won convincingly was City. The rest were all grinded out with a bit of luck, like Alves missing 2 easy easy chances against them.

    Chelsea are doing the latter. They've rode their luck something fierce to get to this point in the league.

    That's why every once in a while, Chelsea lose their games against ****e, because they've been playing ****e, and lose to Barnsley and Fenerbache.

    It's why in most of the big games this year, Grant has messed up. To say he did well last night is silly.
    They can still win the league, no doubt about that, but they will have been the most undeserving winners I've ever seen.
    You just dont like Chelsea....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Atari Jaguar
    Nope :)

    I don't like Liverpool or Arsenal either, but I'm willing to give Arsenal some credit.

    I think it's one of the greatest crimes in the history of football that Ambrovomich put millions of pounds into a club, and they produce a team that can barely string two passes together.
    The team he could have put together could have been the greatest football side in existance, instead he put together a physical mechanical team, that while Mourinho made slightly entertaining, Grant has made incredibly boring, despite their immense technical talents.

    Still, that's why I hate them, not why I think they have been grinding out results like theres no tomorrow.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    PHB wrote: »
    Look, there's playing well and then grinding out results when you have to.
    And there's playing poorly consistantly and getting results.
    I'm not talking about style of football, I'm talking about how well they are playing.
    Their last 6 matches against Everton, Wigan, City, Boro, Arsenal, Spurs.
    The only match they won convincingly was City. The rest were all grinded out with a bit of luck, like Alves missing 2 easy easy chances against them.

    Chelsea are doing the latter. They've rode their luck something fierce to get to this point in the league.

    That's why every once in a while, Chelsea lose their games against ****e, because they've been playing ****e, and lose to Barnsley and Fenerbache.

    It's why in most of the big games this year, Grant has messed up. To say he did well last night is silly.
    They can still win the league, no doubt about that, but they will have been the most undeserving winners I've ever seen.


    In fairness playing poorly and winning is a sign of champeens


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Ben Haim, I presume you refer to. Those splinters in his arse from sitting on the bench probably prompted that. Despite being a fellow country man, Grant has not shown favoritism. And despite everyone accusing him of being Roman's puppet, he hasn't shown much time for Sheva either. Grant is very much his own man, and while he may not be as likeable as Maureen, he is just as headstrong.

    Malouda has said similar as well (basically the day Grant was appointed he was trying to engineer a way out imo). Oh and Frank Lampard has said somestrange things as well, he's clearly been trying to engineer a move away, the nature of the press coverage he has received suggests this. in fact looking at the body language after a match its clear that most of the team don't have the same respect for Grant as say Utd and Arsenal have for Ferguson and Wenger. some of the players completely blank him at times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    It's all about results.

    Record books don't show

    Chelsea 1 - 0 Whoever (Lampard;deflection;played shíte, didn't deserve it)
    Chelsea 2 - 0 Whoever (Drogba;Arsed one in, Essien;Deflected Shot)

    Grant and his team are getting RESULTS. Football, at the end of the day, is all about results and trophies. Who cares how they are won.

    Were you, PHB, complaining when United won a string of games 1-0 with Cantona scoring the majority of them, in the mid-90s?

    Doubt it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭gustavo


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    He's getting very unfairly treated by those dopes on RTE anyway . Last night they were going on about how he's a bad manager and all that crap , I don't know what they are basing this on , certainly not on his results so far , I hope he manages to win the CL and the EPL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Atari Jaguar
    Were you, PHB, complaining when United won a string of games 1-0 with Cantona scoring the majority of them, in the mid-90s?

    I was 10.
    In fairness playing poorly and winning is a sign of champeens

    I agree. But playing poorly and still winning is a sign of champions. Consistantly playing poorly isn't. It's not like Chelsea are up and down, and when they are down they are winning. They are nearly always down. They have just kept grinding out the results, due to a lot of good fortune.
    Grant and his team are getting RESULTS. Football, at the end of the day, is all about results and trophies. Who cares how they are won.

    I do :) But this is a different argument. Football is more than results and trophies. That's why people constantly complain about diving. People it violates their idea of what is a good football game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭selpher


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    I think hes done well so far, considering he had to get a team not happy about Jose's exit playing again. Plus hes had no Cech, Terry, Carvalho, Lampard, Malouda, Ballack and Drogba for large clumps of the season, some times all at once, plus the ACN meant he could'nt field his strongest 11 untill mid Feb. And he's hardly gonna get them playing angel like football between then and now.
    Yeah he's inexpierienced but would Zola get this much abuse and personal attacks if he replaced Jose this season and achieved the same results? I think not.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    selpher wrote: »
    I think hes done well so far, considering he had to get a team not happy about Jose's exit playing again. Plus hes had no Cech, Terry, Carvalho, Lampard, Malouda, Ballack and Drogba for large clumps of the season, some times all at once, plus the ACN meant he could'nt field his strongest 11 untill mid Feb. And he's hardly gonna get them playing angel like football between then and now.
    Yeah he's inexpierienced but would Zola get this much abuse and personal attacks if he replaced Jose this season and achieved the same results? I think not.

    Plus Zola wouldnt get abuse solely based on his looks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    No amount of jew magic can hide his lack of talent
    The options are a bit limiting. I don't think he's "talented" as say Ferguson, Wenger or Jose was. But i do think he's doing a great job under severe pressure there. Not only has he to handle roman but the players themselves.

    At the likes of united and liverpool to a lesser extent players seem willing to accept rotation and not playing that much whereas he has to contend with Ballack, Anelka, Lampard etc not being happy on the bench.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭SCULLY


    When he took over I wrote off the season and yet here we are with 3 games to go still in the league(just!) and doing well in the Champion league. Still not sure of his tatical ability but bearing in mind all the early season upheaval , injuries and Africian cup disruptions he's not doing too badly. He's obviously not as charasmatic as Jose but i don't particularily miss the Chelsea Fc soap opera that dominated the back pages when Jose was in charge (still gutted he left though).

    Still waiting for the flowing football we were promised but to be fair I think Grant should be judged on next years team which will include his summer purchases.


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