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Irish Squad Omissions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭ShoulderChip


    sure lets see how the boys selected do first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    sure lets see how the boys selected do first.

    Pffft! Wheres the fun in that!? Complainings much more fun!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭SectionF


    Scunthorpe! I ask you...

    Don't normally like to use the word, but I do think that anyone who summarily dismisses eL players as not being good enough to challenge for a place in that squad is talking out of ignorance. They either don't know, or don't want to know, how competitive the eL Premier Division is.

    Keith Fahey, Brian Murphy or Joe Gamble could easily challenge for a place in the squad.

    Apart from the merit of individual players, isn't it simply a bit embarrassing that not one of our international squad comes from the home league? If opposition fans cared enough, they'd have a decent chant about it, but the fact is that Eire is no longer good enough, and hasn't been for quite a while, to warrant even that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    joe murphy is a quality goalkeeper. he has played in the premiership and saved a penalty from Michael Owen.
    due to him not being give a chance he dropped down a few divisions to scunthorpe and helped them get promoted.
    i see no problem at all in giving this a go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    joe murphy is a quality goalkeeper. he has played in the premiership and saved a penalty from Michael Owen.
    due to him not being give a chance he dropped down a few divisions to scunthorpe and helped them get promoted.
    i see no problem at all in giving this a go.

    But the point is you can't arbitrarily not pick LoI players on the basis of the quality of their league and 'give Joe Murphy a go' while playing at a lower level again.

    I stand by my belief that Barry and Brian Murphy are better keepers at a higher standard and have more grounds for inclusion in the Irish setup.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    was the final squad published?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Attendances arent the be all and end all, the pressures at a top team in any given country is completely different to a team who are looking at a mid table finish at best.

    Take the SPL for example (as its the league i understand most) Rangers and Celtic are the two main teams obviously, and most people would put them on a par with the lower-mid table EPL teams, your West Hams and Brum's etc.

    But the expectation on Rangers and Celtic is to win every game, a draw against a decent aberdeen side away from home is seen as two points dropped and all of a sudden everything dissolves into some sort of mini crisis.
    Even when Rangers and Celtic play in europe, the fans cant shake that expectation from the league....and again the pressure is on the players, even when it shouldnt be.

    But at Birmingham or Bolton or the likes, fans know when they come up against the better teams in their league that they are going to struggle...any result (especially against the "Big Four") is a bonus, its only when they come up against the teams around them that they become must wins...and more so the closer you get to the relegation zone.

    The same applies to your top EL teams....your Shel's Boh's Pat's Cork etc. their fans EXPECT wins.

    Im not saying these guys are better players than the League 1, League 2 guys, but playing in the top division always has the edge when it comes to pressure. IMO of course.

    sounds like being the top team in the second division would tick all those boxes as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    SectionF wrote: »
    Scunthorpe! I ask you...

    Don't normally like to use the word, but I do think that anyone who summarily dismisses eL players as not being good enough to challenge for a place in that squad is talking out of ignorance. .

    Des is ignorant of EL football? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    gosplan wrote: »
    sounds like being the top team in the second division would tick all those boxes as well

    Nope....if you read my posts after that i tried to explain my logic.

    Playing for one of the countrys top 2 or 3 teams brings pressure from day 1 of every season.

    Teams bounce about the lower divisions for years, and then one good season turns up and the pressure builds gradually as the season goes on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭SectionF


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Des is ignorant of EL football? :eek:
    Well, he'd be a bit rusty on the elite division :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Section F, two weekends ago I went to see Charlton play Southampton in London. Paddy MacCarthy looked like a solid defender; Matt Holland was the best player on the pitch and controlled the game beautifully from the centre of the pitch.

    And here is the important part:

    The standard was miles and miles and miles ahead of any UCD game I have ever attended. In terms of:

    - the pace of the game;
    - the technical ability of the players;
    - the tactical approach and creativity;

    there is no comparison. You may love the Eircom league. Yes it is football on our doorstep; yes it is clubs we can have a proper allegiance too etc, etc. But it is a **** league devoid of quality. Anyone who says Derry; Bohs; Cork could hammer Scrunthorpe over two legs are fooling themselves. You have the rose tinted glasses lads, not us.

    Playing in the Eircom league = not good enough for Ireland. End of (though I'm sure you'll post a ridiculous rebuttal with a weary, weather beaten tone and some red angry faces).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Section F, two weekends ago I went to see Charlton play Southampton in London. Paddy MacCarthy looked like a solid defender; Matt Holland was the best player on the pitch and controlled the game beautifully from the centre of the pitch.

    And here is the important part:

    The standard was miles and miles and miles ahead of any UCD game I have ever attended. In terms of:

    - the pace of the game;
    - the technical ability of the players;
    - the tactical approach and creativity;

    there is no comparison. You may love the Eircom league. Yes it is football on our doorstep; yes it is clubs we can have a proper allegiance too etc, etc. But it is a **** league devoid of quality. Anyone who says Derry; Bohs; Cork could hammer Scrunthorpe over two legs are fooling themselves. You have the rose tinted glasses lads, not us.

    Playing in the Eircom league = not good enough for Ireland. End of (though I'm sure you'll post a ridiculous rebuttal with a weary, weather beaten tone and some red angry faces).

    I wouldn't say hammer. but Cork City would definitely give Scunthorpe and Southampton a game.

    How can you rate a league by Charlton beating the worst Southampton team in 20 years!

    Also I take it you weren't at the game when Cork City beat UCD at Belfield 5-1 in 2005.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I wouldn't say hammer. but Cork City would definitely give Scunthorpe and Southampton a game.

    How can you rate a league by Charlton beating the worst Southampton team in 20 years!

    I'm sure that they would give them a game over two legs. However, if I was a betting man (and assuming that both teams were giving 100%) I would put my money squarely on the Championship sides.

    Now, it is the very fact that we were looking at two clubs underachieving relative to their last 10 years that emphasises my point! While the two sides are not the cream of the Championship they served up a much better fare than I have seen in the EL ever.
    Also I take it you weren't at the game when Cork City beat UCD at Belfield 5-1 in 2005.

    :(

    O' Flynn and Fenn destroyed us that day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    Goalkeepers: Shay Given (Newcastle), Wayne Henderson (Preston North End), Paddy Kenny (Sheffield United), Darren Randolph (Charlton Athletic – on loan to Bury), Colin Doyle (Birmingham City), Joe Murphy (Scunthorpe United).

    Defenders: Stephen Kelly (Birmingham City), Richard Dunne (Manchester City), Kevin Kilbane (Wigan Athletic), John O’Shea (Manchester United), Joey O’Brien (Bolton Wanderers), Paul McShane (Sunderland), Kevin Foley (Wolves), Darren O’Dea (Celtic).

    Midfielders: Steven Reid (Blackburn Rovers), Liam Miller (Sunderland), Stephen Ireland (Manchester City), Damien Duff (Newcastle United), Aiden McGeady (Celtic), Andy Reid (Sunderland), Lee Carsley (Everton), Darron Gibson (Manchester United – on loan to Wolves), Stephen Hunt (Reading), Darren Potter (Wolves), Owen Garvan (Ipswich Town), Wes Hoolahan (Blackpool), Stephen McPhail (Cardiff City), Martin Rowlands (QPR), Glenn Whelan (Stoke City).

    Forwards: Stephen Elliott (Wolves), Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur), Kevin Doyle, Shane Long (both Reading), Clinton Morrison (Crystal Palace), Andy Keogh (Wolves), Anthony Stokes, Daryl Murphy, Roy O’Donovan, David Connolly (all Sunderland), Sean Scannell (Crystal Palace).

    Its mad that Roy O'Donovan wasnt good enough last year when scoring freely for Cork City but now that he has played 500 minutes for Sunderland and not scored hes suddenly in.
    Colin Doyle has played 3 games this season, surely a keeper playing well regularly in league challenging side is more worthy of a place in the squad.

    I have no doubt that neither will make the 24 man squad but surely form counts for something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    I follow Watford so I do see a lot of Championship football.

    O'Toole should be in that squad ahead of Martin Rowlands by a mile. O'Toole is a very good and talented football playing midfielder. He's the only player who can actually play football at Watford:D

    The stats for Lawrence alone is a joke that he isn't in there. I seriously think the only reason Whelan is in there ahead of him is because of that cracker he scored live on Sky against Palace a few Mondays ago.

    Rory Delap has been performing well lately as well. He should be in there ahead of the likes of Foley and O'Dea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    I'm gonna throw Willo Flood's name into the ring as well. Looked like he was finished when he left City but fair play to him he's doing super in Scotland and just got given the Goal of the Season award.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭tetsujin1979


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I'm gonna throw Willo Flood's name into the ring as well. Looked like he was finished when he left City but fair play to him he's doing super in Scotland and just got given the Goal of the Season award.
    Was watching the Dundee United - Hibs game at the weekend, and Flood was the best player on the pitch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I'm gonna throw Willo Flood's name into the ring as well. Looked like he was finished when he left City but fair play to him he's doing super in Scotland and just got given the Goal of the Season award.

    Hes been fantastic for United this season.


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