Stopped by gardai...

Alkers

Got stopped on the moped today on the way home from work. Sailed through a pedestrian crossing which I didn't even see as being red. I was paying attention to an upcoming junction at the time and I didn't notice the red light. Got stopped, one gard was very angry, I didn't even know what I was stopped for.
Anyway he said I'd be getting 2 fines and 4 penalty points. :eek: The offences being driving without due care and attention and breaking a red light. When the gard went to check my tax disk it had fallen out of the plastic clip-holder thing so made me look a right fool. I have to produce my license, tax and insurance details in a garda station.
Is there any difficulty getting a new tax disk?
My other question is regarding the points on my license. At the moment I have a full car license and a learner permit A1. Will the points just go on the A1 license or both?
Got a real fright and can't believe I'm being hit with 4 points.

murphaph

Simona1986 wrote: »

Got stopped on the moped today on the way home from work. Sailed through a pedestrian crossing which I didn't even see as being red. I was paying attention to an upcoming junction at the time and I didn't notice the red light. Got stopped, one gard was very angry, I didn't even know what I was stopped for.
Anyway he said I'd be getting 2 fines and 4 penalty points. :eek: The offences being driving without due care and attention and breaking a red light. When the gard went to check my tax disk it had fallen out of the plastic clip-holder thing so made me look a right fool. I have to produce my license, tax and insurance details in a garda station.
Is there any difficulty getting a new tax disk?
My other question is regarding the points on my license. At the moment I have a full car license and a learner permit A1. Will the points just go on the A1 license or both?
Got a real fright and can't believe I'm being hit with 4 points.

The points go on your licence. If you clock up 12 points driving any vehicles you get banned from driving them all. I know a lad in Germany who clocked up his last couple of points on a BICYCLE and was banned for 6 months from driving his car!

I thought there was a thing whereby you couldn't get multiple points for the same act even if it was more than one offence, though you could be fined multiple times. Maybe I picked that up wrong though. Might be worth checking out.

At the end of the day though.....you did sail through a pediastrian crossing and 4 points on your licence is nothing compared to what could have happened had you hit a kid or something.

Alkers

murphaph wrote: »

I thought there was a thing whereby you couldn't get multiple points for the same act even if it was more than one offence, though you could be fined multiple times. Maybe I picked that up wrong though. Might be worth checking out.

Any idea as to where I could start checking this out?
I know about what could have been etc, don't know how I missed the light, regretting not getting that across to the gard enough, I think he thinks I went through it intentionally.

pa990

the fact that you didnt even see the red light (if it was red) shows that you were not paying attention

thus a ticket for driving without due care and attention

ManofMunster

Simona1986 wrote: »

Any idea as to where I could start checking this out?
I know about what could have been etc, don't know how I missed the light, regretting not getting that across to the gard enough, I think he thinks I went through it intentionally.

http://www.penaltypoints.ie/faq.php

you can only get penalty points for the offence that carries the most pen points - so they're not allowed add them up; just take the biggest one.

to be fair, running a red light is pretty bad, but sounds like your garda wasn't entitled to issue you with four points.

issuing multiple fines is allowed

CrazyRabbit

Perhaps you should get some training...before you injure yourself or others.

murphaph

I presume it's actually "Careless driving" he's doing you with:

Careless Driving

Careless driving is a broadly based offence that allows An Garda Síochána scope to include any specific behaviour by drivers that in their opinion constitutes careless driving and therefore a danger to other road users. Careless driving is a serious offence.

Detections by the Gardai of drivers breaching the law by driving carelessly involve a court hearing.

In that case it's a mandatory court appearance and 5 points upon conviction. I can't find an offence similar which gives 4 points.

Alkers

I saw that when I was looking at the list of offences alright. He didn't say anything about court, he said I was getting done with two two point offences and two fines. "Driving without due care and attention" were the exact words he used.
Guess I'll have to wait and see:eek:

Interceptor

Everyone makes mistakes - some more serious than others. You will receive notice in the post of the offences and you can deal with it then. A replacement tax disc requires you to fill a form (RFsomething or other) at your local copshop and send it to the tax office with a couple of euros (15?).

The main thing is that you didn't hurt yourself or anyone else and might learn from the experience. Don't sweat it.

'cptr