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Ronaldo and Torres eh?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Whos a better player guys Ferdinand or Torres ?

    I personally think Reina is much better than Tevez.

    etc etc

    Ridiculous thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    Ffs you're only saying that Reina is a better player than Tevez cos you're a Pool fan (!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,250 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Ffs you're only saying that Reina is a better player than Tevez cos you're a Pool fan (!)

    BRILLIANT :D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    What I said about Ronaldo was

    1. Taken out of context

    2. Said in a Liverpool thread with direct reference to Torres.

    Mods had no business making it into a thread and giving the impression I had launched into Ronaldo. They are free of course to delete the posts where applicable....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I didn't mean to imply you created a new thread.

    However, if you don't want to start a dicussion about Ronaldo and Torres, the best thing to do is not compare Torres to Ronaldo. Seems simple enough


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭internelligent


    Tusky wrote: »
    Whos a better player guys Ferdinand or Torres ?

    I personally think Reina is much better than Tevez.

    etc etc

    Ridiculous thread.

    LOL

    The way I see it is that Ronaldo is such a great player, Liverpool fans try to take him down a peg or two. Torres has come to Liverpool and has undoubtedly blown everyone away with an outstanding goalscoring ability, something that Liverpool have craved for a while now. Unfortunately for Liverpool fans, they feel that Ronaldo has over-shadowed Torres' achievments by scoring more. This is obviously not the case since United fans here have stated again and again how they'd love to have him on their team, (and if he was I'm certain Ronaldo would have alot more assissts). Ronaldo has developed into a great goal scorer but he's still a winger. He makes runs because he's great at it and is most likely told to do it if he sniffs an opportunity. Was Lausen a striker this season since he was up at every corner?
    Fact is, Ronaldo has taken some of the spotlight away from Torres this season because he's scored more goals and has been immense for United. Liverpool fans don't like this and try to find some way to justify saying Torres is better than him. Impossible argument giving their positions. I'm sure another one of these arguments will pop up again before long. Maybe next week if Liverpool beat Chelsea 3-0, (with a Torres hattrick), and United win 3-0 including a Ronaldo penalty. As a Liverpool fan I really hope the latter doesn't happen because I would find it extremely difficult watch the final.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    PHB wrote: »
    I didn't mean to imply you created a new thread.

    However, if you don't want to start a dicussion about Ronaldo and Torres, the best thing to do is not compare Torres to Ronaldo. Seems simple enough


    I can't discuss Torres in an abstract. I figured Ronaldo was the closest thing to Fernando {little bit better, little bit worse, matters not} and so I used him. The fact that they are the two best forward men in the League this season made it a no brainer. But people {Mancs} can't see his name without assuming someone is besmirching him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    LOL

    The way I see it is that Ronaldo is such a great player, Liverpool fans try to take him down a peg or two. Torres has come to Liverpool and has undoubtedly blown everyone away with an outstanding goalscoring ability, something that Liverpool have craved for a while now. Unfortunately for Liverpool fans, they feel that Ronaldo has over-shadowed Torres' achievments by scoring more. This is obviously not the case since United fans here have stated again and again how they'd love to have him on their team, (and if he was I'm certain Ronaldo would have alot more assissts). Ronaldo has developed into a great goal scorer but he's still a winger. He makes runs because he's great at it and is most likely told to do it if he sniffs an opportunity. Was Lausen a striker this season since he was up at every corner?
    Fact is, Ronaldo has taken some of the spotlight away from Torres this season because he's scored more goals and has been immense for United. Liverpool fans don't like this and try to find some way to justify saying Torres is better than him. Impossible argument giving their positions. I'm sure another one of these arguments will pop up again before long. Maybe next week if Liverpool beat Chelsea 3-0, (with a Torres hattrick), and United win 3-0 including a Ronaldo penalty. As a Liverpool fan I really hope the latter doesn't happen because I would find it extremely difficult watch the final.

    When Saha doesn't play, {in other words when United play} who are Uniteds strikers????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    :D Haha!

    That's like walking into a bar and saying, "I don't want to get into a fight, but you're all a shower of Wánkers!!!"

    Post of the Day .

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    d22ontour wrote: »
    Post of the Day .

    :D


    Not much of a day you're having then.:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    Not much of a day you're having then.:rolleyes:


    Considering this is the 1st thread i have read today then yeah i can see what you mean.
    My point was that Gerrard has chipped in with more than Rooney- a testament to the superior partnership that exists between Fernando and Gerrard than exists between Rooney and Ronaldo

    Superior partnership that has scored less goals ? :confused:
    proof,IMHO, that Fernando is not as greedy as Ronaldo. If he was, he might have scored even more.
    Who is Torres going to assist????
    2. He arguably plays in a better team that can set him up better.

    Which is it ? :rolleyes:
    Take away his penos and his free kicks, and yes, oddly enough,he has scored fewer goals.

    http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

    Well spotted.

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    What I said about Ronaldo was
    1. Taken out of context

    2. Said in a Liverpool thread with direct reference to Torres.

    Mods had no business making it into a thread and giving the impression I had launched into Ronaldo. They are free of course to delete the posts where applicable....
    3.He is a greedy tosspot- his goals contrasts with Rooneys lack of them. Compare that to Gerrards goalscoring this season and Torres haul. Both have weighed in.
    How could people take that out of context?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    stupid thread they are both fantastic players having great seasons why cant fans of either player just enjoy watching them play without putting another fantastic player down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    LOL

    The way I see it is that Ronaldo is such a great player, Liverpool fans try to take him down a peg or two. Torres has come to Liverpool and has undoubtedly blown everyone away with an outstanding goalscoring ability, something that Liverpool have craved for a while now. Unfortunately for Liverpool fans, they feel that Ronaldo has over-shadowed Torres' achievments by scoring more. This is obviously not the case since United fans here have stated again and again how they'd love to have him on their team, (and if he was I'm certain Ronaldo would have alot more assissts). Ronaldo has developed into a great goal scorer but he's still a winger. He makes runs because he's great at it and is most likely told to do it if he sniffs an opportunity. Was Lausen a striker this season since he was up at every corner?
    Fact is, Ronaldo has taken some of the spotlight away from Torres this season because he's scored more goals and has been immense for United. Liverpool fans don't like this and try to find some way to justify saying Torres is better than him. Impossible argument giving their positions. I'm sure another one of these arguments will pop up again before long. Maybe next week if Liverpool beat Chelsea 3-0, (with a Torres hattrick), and United win 3-0 including a Ronaldo penalty. As a Liverpool fan I really hope the latter doesn't happen because I would find it extremely difficult watch the final.

    To be honest, I disagree. The vast majority of Liverpool fans in real life and on here, can see that Ronaldo is an amazing player. I dont often see him criticized. Not in the last couple of seasons anyway. Only argue against him being a top class player (same goes for Torres).

    I havent even seen the two of them compared at all really apart from this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭stick-dan


    redzerdrog wrote: »
    stupid thread they are both fantastic players having great seasons why cant fans of either player just enjoy watching them play without putting another fantastic player down

    Now THAT should be post of the day! FACT :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    But people {Mancs} can't see his name without assuming someone is besmirching him.
    Have a look at what you originally posted, point number 3 in particular.


    I thought this might be taken out of the Liverpool thread alright. I suppose it makes a change from the usual "Ronaldo" thread, now it's "Ronaldo vs. Torres"
    What's next Hero? "Ronaldo vs. Godzilla"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭stick-dan


    Ronaldo vs the bugatti veron!!! Look it up its great!lol:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Haha. Forgot about that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    How could people take that out of context?

    Lots of so called commentators have alluded to Ronaldos selfishness- I mean, Ian Rush was always criticised for not being selfish enough

    Selfishness in and of itself IS NOT a bad thing, per se.

    And when I refer to context, I was trying to explain WHY MAYBE Ronaldo has scored more goals.

    He takes pens and frees, Nando doesn't
    He is "selfish" and doesn't track back- Not so with Nando {as much to do with Benitez as FT himself}
    He plays in a better team- open to argument- but I think he does...

    Like I was saying....its all out of context. I never said Fernando was better, or Ronaldo was this that or the other. I felt it appropriate, while I was at it, to dispel the bullsh!t myth that "Ronaldo Does All This And More And He's a Winger!!!""

    So this is the Man Yoo Formation, is it??


    VAN DER SAAR

    Neville
    Vidic
    Ferdiand
    Evra--

    --Ronaldo----Rooney
    Nani
    Scholes
    Tevez
    Giggs

    4-6

    Because thats with Ronaldo as a winger.

    The Kid is a striker and so is Rooney. Plain and simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Tusky wrote: »
    Whos a better player guys Ferdinand or Torres ?

    I personally think Reina is much better than Tevez.

    etc etc

    Ridiculous thread.

    Its not a thread. Its a comment I made taken out of its orginal thread {and therefore its context} and slapped up by the mod without even telling me. I never posted this as a thread. The mod did. If thats the case we can all troll through, pick comments out arbitrarily and post them as threads.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    PHB wrote: »
    I didn't mean to imply you created a new thread.

    However, if you don't want to start a dicussion about Ronaldo and Torres, the best thing to do is not compare Torres to Ronaldo. Seems simple enough

    If you don't want to start a discussion about how someone said something about Cristina Ronaldo, then don't take posts out of threads and post them like they were the opening shots of a new Anti-Cristina thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Lots of so called commentators have alluded to Ronaldos selfishness- I mean, Ian Rush was always criticised for not being selfish enough

    Selfishness in and of itself IS NOT a bad thing, per se.

    And when I refer to context, I was trying to explain WHY MAYBE Ronaldo has scored more goals.

    He takes pens and frees, Nando doesn't
    He is "selfish" and doesn't track back- Not so with Nando {as much to do with Benitez as FT himself}
    He plays in a better team- open to argument- but I think he does...

    Like I was saying....its all out of context. I never said Fernando was better, or Ronaldo was this that or the other. I felt it appropriate, while I was at it, to dispel the bullsh!t myth that "Ronaldo Does All This And More And He's a Winger!!!""

    So this is the Man Yoo Formation, is it??


    VAN DER SAAR

    Neville
    Vidic
    Ferdiand
    Evra--

    --Ronaldo----Rooney
    Nani
    Scholes
    Tevez
    Giggs

    4-6

    Because thats with Ronaldo as a winger.

    The Kid is a striker and so is Rooney. Plain and simple.

    You called him a "greedy tosspot", rather than selfish, so you were already setting yourself up for failure if you expected civil debate.

    However, even if you do class him solely as a striker, than he's a better striker than Torres anyway, and cost (roughly, depending on how you calculate) half as much, and is younger.

    Anyway, ridiculous thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Denis Irwin


    Ronaldo > Torres

    End of story :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    So this is the Man Yoo Formation, is it??


    VAN DER SAAR

    Neville
    Vidic
    Ferdiand
    Evra--

    --Ronaldo----Rooney
    Nani
    Scholes
    Tevez
    Giggs

    4-6

    Because thats with Ronaldo as a winger.

    The Kid is a striker and so is Rooney. Plain and simple.
    What are you on? Seriously!
    4-6 Formation? Wtf?

    You're being very selective with the players you've picked there, but even so, Rooney and Tevez are considered forwards. And Nani in the centre?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    If you don't want to start a discussion about how someone said something about Cristina Ronaldo, then don't take posts out of threads and post them like they were the opening shots of a new Anti-Cristina thread.

    You're not really helping your cause calling him "Cristina".....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Unfortunately for Liverpool fans, they feel that Ronaldo has over-shadowed Torres' achievments by scoring more.

    I never said that, and its wrong for the mods to represent that I said that. I was trying to post an opinion as to WHY Ronaldo would score more- big difference. Torres achievements go beyond scoring goals- two of his achievements cannot be overshadowed by anyone as they involved back to back hatricks, player of the month awards and becoming the first Liverpool player to score in 7 consecutive home games in the top flight. What fool would try and claim that Ronaldo had overshadowed these achievements simply by scoring more fullstop???

    Ronaldo has developed into a great goal scorer but he's still a winger. He makes runs because he's great at it and is most likely told to do it if he sniffs an opportunity. Was Lausen a striker this season since he was up at every corner?

    Bogus. The guy is a striker. Like I said, who plays up front when Saha isn't playing? Rooney and Ronaldo. He is not a winger in the traditional sense- he is a striker and don't try and embellish his achievements with some nonsense about how he's doing it all as a "winger".

    Fact is, Ronaldo has taken some of the spotlight away from Torres this season because he's scored more goals

    The Premier League doesn't even have the fascination with top scorers in the same way the Spanish League does- where they even have a title and an award for it. And as I said Torres "spotlight" consists of a lot more than scoring goals- its the way he does it which is unique. Consecutive games record at anfield, back to back hat-tricks, all from play, enough there for him to have a spotlight of his own. As I say, its ALL MOOT cos I was only trying to explain how Torres gets fewer. But the Sect of Cristina kicked into action and started burning Churches down.
    and has been immense for United. Liverpool fans don't like this

    Yeah we only concentrate on your players, sure.
    and try to find some way to justify saying Torres is better than him

    Again, I mean, I'm dealing with Rainman here, I never said that and neither did anyone else. I was merely trying to explain why I felt Torres was clocking fewer goals.
    Impossible argument giving their positions. I'm sure another one of these arguments will pop up again before long

    As long as people read what they think is there and not what is actually there, then sure, yeah.
    As a Liverpool fan

    Yeah pull the other one it has bells on it.
    I really hope the latter doesn't happen because I would find it extremely difficult watch the final.

    Well you would have to wait for the second legs to be played mate.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Unearthly wrote: »
    You're not really helping your cause calling him "Cristina".....

    Oooooooooooh. Cry me a river.

    PS...I don't have a cause. This isn't even my thread- the mods just tell you it is.

    besides- the Cult of Cristina have their mind made up..so it really doesn't matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Denis Irwin


    Ah Torres the man who has been in the pockets of Ferdinand and Vidic in the 2 games we've played Liverpool this season. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    What are you on? Seriously!
    4-6 Formation? Wtf?

    You're being very selective with the players you've picked there, but even so, Rooney and Tevez are considered forwards. And Nani in the centre?

    So show me United as you think they should line up, on any given match day. Strongest 11...please, entertain me.

    PS....you are not allowed deploy Cristiano Ronaldo up front because he is not a striker.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    Ronaldo > Torres

    End of story :)

    Possibly...but then again, who denied it???:confused:


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