Behavioral Order

RonMexico

Was listening to a few people talking about these lately. What exactly are they and what conditions can they carry? How long does it take to have one issued?

Is it a precursor to an ASBO? Any answers appreciated.

Eru

They are ASBOs just under the Irish name.

None issued to date and no wonder. You wont see any being issued for a few years in my opinion.

Step 1: Oral warning to stop acting the git.

Step 2: Second oral warning to stop acting the git.

Step 3: Superintendent can apply to a court for an order providing that you have recieved a third complaint within three months of the first warning.

Now, A why within 3 months? Surely if your acting the git your acting the git. B, When the hell is a Superintendent going to go to court because your neighbours are playing loud music?

Then theres the debate over what falls within the ASBO bracket. More legislation that McDowell introduced that sounded good but was so bogged down in loopholes and conditions that it became useless.

RonMexico

Hmmm according to the discussion on the Joe Duffy show they are not ASBO's as one woman said her son had been issued with one and the Guards called to her house and gave her a load of forms detailing the order in question. She said that after looking up the net she found out that 130 youths in Ireland had received these orders for anti-social behaviour offences.

EDIT: Just found this on department website

Behaviour Orders
A form of behaviour order to address anti-social behaviour by young people is to be introduced in March 2007. It offers an alternative to dealing with a child other than going through the criminal process. Behaviour orders for young people are distinct from those designed for adults.
The key features for behaviour orders for children are:
the safeguards of the Children Act will apply.
there are a series of stages before an order regarding anti-social behaviour can be sought,including a warning, a good behaviour contract and referral to the Garda Diversion Programme.
parental involvement is required, particularly in the case of a good behaviour contract.
an application can only be made by a Garda at a rank not below that of Superintendent.

Now according to the woman on Joe Duffy her son received a verbal warning and then after breaking it received a Behaviour Order which would indicate a skipping of a good behaviour contract & referral to the Garda Diversion Programme

Something doesn't add up.

Fyr.Fytr

Joe duffy, the housewives version of adrian kennedy

"I'm telling you joe, sware to god..."

Pinch of salt with everything said on it

RonMexico

Actually my mistake it wasn't a Behavior order but a Behavior Warning. Apparently it lasts for three months and if broken leads to a court issued ASBO.

Fyr.Fytr

Suppose that was the step 2 karlitos was on about

eroo

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Joe duffy, the housewives version of adrian kennedy

"I'm telling you joe, sware to god..."

Pinch of salt with everything said on it

hahahaha

metman

RonMexico wrote: »

Behaviour Orders
A form of behaviour order to address anti-social behaviour by young people is to be introduced in March 2007. It offers an alternative to dealing with a child other than going through the criminal process.

Translation = it saves money.

Behaviour orders for young people are distinct from those designed for adults. The key features for behaviour orders for children are:
the safeguards of the Children Act will apply. There are a series of stages before an order regarding anti-social behaviour can be sought,including a warning, a good behaviour contract and referral to the Garda Diversion Programme.

Ah yes good behaviour contracts. They're written on worthless paper and aimed at little sh*ts whose parents don't give a monkeys about what their kids get up to.

Parental involvement is required, particularly in the case of a good behaviour contract.

Therein lies the rub. The juvenilles are running riot usually because the parents don't give a toss. We need to stop mucking about and hit the parents of problem kids with a cut in their benefits. Not getting them 'on board' with 'contracts' for 'good behaviour'.

ASBOs here are a complete waste of time. What you find is that the courts let us down in enforcing them as they let us down in every other respect. Sure when the subject is in breach of his ASBO he can be arrested, which is handy, but when the offender goes to court and gets released with a slap on the wrist, when he should be going to gaol, it makes a farce of the whole system. So your asbo'd teen is back on the same street corner the day after being arrested on said corner for breaching his asbo......with an asbo stating he will go to gaol if he breaches the asbo......

All because the government doesn't want to spend money to build more prisons :rolleyes: