Best Producers

Boom_Bap

Lazerbeak, a f*cking genius but wouldnt be heard producing outside the Doomtree crew. His album with Mike Mictlan called Hand Over Fist is an example of exempery production. His work on the other Doomtree albums is brilliant.

Come to think of it, there are a few solid producers in DT....POS, Paper Tiger, LB, Cecil Otter.

SOmeone else that needs a mention is A-Trak, he's going down the 'Electro' route but it is fantastic music.

Maker and Blockhead should be on the list of best prducers. Uncle Tony's Colouring Book is almost perfect.

idPlease

Orizio, NERD's latest album is a big improvement on the fly or die.

I definately agree with the Saigon comment, no doubt. we've been promised that album for ages, did it get released? (Greatest Story Never Told?)

Danja, is Timbalands keyboard muse and if from what studio footage i've seen plays a big role.

I'm not a huge fan of Polow da Don. There's been rumours of his techniques in the press etc and i just dont like his beats really.

What ye think of Jermaine Dupri?

Orizio

The Saigon/Just Blaze album hasn't dropped, and never will.

The-Game

I have faith Saigon will drop with Blaze

and for Polow da Don 2 standout beats of his are Nas - Hero and Young Buck - Get Buck

Two bangers

idPlease

Saigon is recording his new album/second album called "Thank God", no idea when he's going to be releasing it but i hear Just blaze is producing, thought they fell out??

tdc

Timbaland is the most overrated producer in the game, he cant hold a candle to Dre, Polow, Rotem, Storch, Swizz, etc. His beats are boring and everyone of them uses samples. He can't create a beat from scratch, it has to be built around someone elses. I know most producers use samples but every song?

He has great beats like 'Put You On The Game', 'Make Me Better' and 'My Love' but then he has the likes of 'Elevator' and 'Wait a Minute'...

Orizio

tdc wrote: »

Timbaland is the most overrated producer in the game, he cant hold a candle to Dre, Polow, Rotem, Storch, Swizz, etc. His beats are boring and everyone of them uses samples. He can't create a beat from scratch, it has to be built around someone elses. I know most producers use samples but every song?

He has great beats like 'Put You On The Game', 'Make Me Better' and 'My Love' but then he has the likes of 'Elevator' and 'Wait a Minute'...

Hmmmmm...

Not exactly the best examples there tdc, beyond Dre.

The fact that he uses samples so often is largely irrelevent, as thats what the vast majority of Hip-Hop producers do. Thats what Hip-Hop production is built around - sampling. His latest stuff sounds too similar and lazy to me, but the likes of Storch and JR Rotem have yet to produce an album is good as Deliverance. In fact, they have yet to produce an album., which is not good.

tdc

OK fair enough, just IMO Tim is a sell-out pop producer, great work with JT and Nelly F but then he goes and tries to recreate Umbrella with Flo Rida? Just not a big fan I guess...

Orizio

Listen to his older stuff, paticurly Bubba Sparxxx's 'Deliverance'.

Boom_Bap

Timmy is an incredible producer, some of Shock Value was brilliant while some was not up to his normal standard. He has revolutionised the sound of hip hop in some regard, listen to most other 'mainstream' producers work now, it is trying to emulate his sound.

As for his early days stuff with Missy, Maggoo, Bubba, Aaliyah, Genuwine, Jodeci, Luda...you cant actually pick anything bad out.

EDIT: Discography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_production_discography

idPlease

the new producers out there dont produce albums anymore. They do songs. And its not just them to blame, the rappers and singers are just as bad - they want the Neptunes beat, the Just Blaze beat etc etc. I would be really excited if my favourite producer did a whole record, rather than just a track...:cool:

orizio, who do you think will produce the CRS album scheduled for 09 sometime...i hope Kanye and Neptunes do it!

Orizio

CRS?

As far as I am concerned, poducers who haven't made a whole quality album don't belong in this thread. The reason they haven't prodcued a whole album is because they aren't good enough.

Jay Ru

Orizio wrote: »

CRS?

As far as I am concerned, poducers who haven't made a whole quality album don't belong in this thread. The reason they haven't prodcued a whole album is because they aren't good enough.

couldn't agree more, and i think its one of the major problems in hip hop today. years ago u had producers like Pete Rock, DJ Premier, Eric Sermon and Dr Dre who produced entire lp's and where able to create a theme for the album and give it an overall flow to it. now-a-days newer artists have to have a netpunes track, a kanye track, and so on for an album to do good numbers and what u end up with a collection of singles and a couple of filler tracks.

The-Game

Orizio wrote: »

CRS?

As far as I am concerned, poducers who haven't made a whole quality album don't belong in this thread. The reason they haven't prodcued a whole album is because they aren't good enough.

Dont think thats the case really, as Jay ru said alot of artists want a variety of producer credits on the albums now so not as many want one producer to tell a story with their album.

Orizio

With respect, there are plenty of producers out there making whole albums that don't get half of the love the likes of Polow get, so that excuse doesn't fly. The most popular MC's invariably go down the Blueprint route of production, but there are more then enough MC's out there happy to do an album with just producer.

Lets hear Polow, or Storch, or JR Rotem make a whole album, classic from beginning to end like Premo or Erick Sermon have down many times, and then maybe they can be listed with the greats. It won't happen though, because they just aren't talented enough.

idPlease

Orizio wrote: »

CRS?

As far as I am concerned, poducers who haven't made a whole quality album don't belong in this thread. The reason they haven't prodcued a whole album is because they aren't good enough.

CRS - Child Rebel Soldiers. Supergroup of Lupe Fiasco, Pharrell and Kanye.

Check out "everybody nose remix" and "US placers" in youtube and you cant be not impressed;)

As for the one track producers...i think its the effect of the number men in the music biz who want 3 hits to sell the album, its why producers are hotter commodities than actual buzz generated by the artist themself..

Orizio

idPlease wrote: »

CRS - Child Rebel Soldiers. Supergroup of Lupe Fiasco, Pharrell and Kanye.

Check out "everybody nose remix" and "US placers" in youtube and you cant be not impressed;)

As for the one track producers...i think its the effect of the number men in the music biz who want 3 hits to sell the album, its why producers are hotter commodities than actual buzz generated by the artist themself..

Ah right. How much money do you want to bet on that project getting a release date...:p

idPlease

Ha, they've said 2009 so here's hoping but tbh - Kanye is releasing soon so he's definately going to tour that, pharrell is always busy and then Lupe wants to get out asap so he'll be readying L.U.P.End, so i'll keep my money safe!!

the "eminem is back" thread should be finished I've removed all doubt by quoting "till i collapse" by em where he says who is better him...;)

The-Game

Orizio wrote: »

Ah right. How much money do you want to bet on that project getting a release date...:p

I can see it happening.... might be another Detox wait without the hype!

Orizio

Apparently Scarface, Ice Cube and Nas are supposed to be releasing a collab album together as well. Taking the piss really.

Just astists trying to get people talking about them without actually having to do anything worth while.

The-Game

Orizio wrote: »

Apparently Scarface, Ice Cube and Nas are supposed to be releasing a collab album together as well. Taking the piss really.

Just astists trying to get people talking about them without actually having to do anything worth while.

There was talk of that before and i read an interview with Cube where he was asked about it and he said he hasnt been approached with that idea yet but he would love to do it.

Would be one amazing album if it ever came together.

Poccington

The-Game wrote: »

Dont think thats the case really, as Jay ru said alot of artists want a variety of producer credits on the albums now so not as many want one producer to tell a story with their album.

Exactly.

So what happens when you want judge a producer and look at their catalogue? All you're gonna see is singles, you won't know if the producer has the skill and creativity to hold down a whole album.

So you can't go around naming producers that have done nothing but produce singles. Since they haven't actually put together a piece of work that can be judged.

The-Game

i disagree as i dont think that having produced a whole album is the only way to judge a producer, looking through a catalogue of theirs and seeing the level of stuff they have done can be a judging factor if they can hold it down or not.

Boom_Bap

The-Game wrote: »

i disagree as i dont think that having produced a whole album is the only way to judge a producer, looking through a catalogue of theirs and seeing the level of stuff they have done can be a judging factor if they can hold it down or not.

It's defintely a factor, wikipedia thinks its a factor too:

In the music industry, a record producer or music producer has many roles, among them controlling the recording sessions, coaching and guiding the musicians, organizing and scheduling production budget and resources, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes. This has been a major function of producers since the inception of sound recording, but in the later half of the 20th century producers also took on a wider entrepreneurial role. The music producer could, in some cases, be compared to the film director in that the producer's job is to create, shape and mold a piece of music in accordance with their vision for the album.

If you have 5 or 6 different producers on an album, these guys are not working together for the end product of the album, just a piece of the album. It's how all the pieces combine to form the end product that matters. A perfect exxample of this is Jeru The Damaja "The Sun Rises in the East", production handled by Primo. The beats set the tone of the album, they mesh together, they compliment the vocal style of Jeru.

Now say for example we had a beat by Lord Finese thrown in the middle of the album, this is a beat the LF worked on by himself with no conecpt or the album in mind, it may be a dope beat and a solid piece of production, but would it fit with the theme of the album? I'd say probably not unless you take probabilities into the equation.

Is having Primo on the boards for all of Illmatic not a reason why this is a classic?

Just to clarify, there are a lot of albums out there that i love with different producers, but they dont have a feel of being an album, just a collection of songs by the same artist. This does work but to be an esteemed producer, you would have to be able to hold your weight over a long player and be able to make your beats flow to the next to actually create an album.

FYI - Making music is about making albums, not singles. Singles are a means to promote the album.

Executive Steve

...on the other hand, Ghost Face's "Fish Scale" had all manner of producers on there from Lewis Parker to J Dilla - and it sounded completely coherent to me.

Makaveli

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Is having Primo on the boards for all of Illmatic not a reason why this is a classic?

Premier produced 3 songs on Illmatic.

The-Game

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's defintely a factor, wikipedia thinks its a factor too

I agree its a factor, just not the ONLY deciding factor.

Boom_Bap

Makaveli wrote: »

Premier produced 3 songs on Illmatic.

you're right....bad example. But Premo handpicked the producers and advised of the tone of the album and put it together. More of an executive producer type role.

I'm just going to go now and bury my head in the sands of hiphop shame for my earlier comment

The-Game

Boom_Bap wrote: »

you're right....bad example. But Premo handpicked the producers and advised of the tone of the album and put it together. More of an executive producer type role.

I'm just going to go now and bury my head in the sands of hiphop shame for my earlier comment

:D:D

godspal

definitely the RZA!