How does the infraction system work?

13-04-2008 11:01am #1

Hiya.Just received an infraction.Was wondering how the system works.What is it compared to a ban?

13-04-2008 11:02am

It's basically a warning.

mikemac · 13-04-2008 11:05am

Does it work like penalty points?

Three infractions for minor offences equals a ban?

Suppose a mod is considering a ban for something.
Would someone with lots of infractions be banned as they've clocked up infractions and a bad reputation but the mod might be more forgiving with a first time offender?

13-04-2008 11:05am

I have received two now.My last one was in 2007.Is there a set number before you are banned?

Doctor DooM · 13-04-2008 11:07am

I believe I read here earlier that basically it's used as a muppet radar, if someone has loads of infractions and comes to the attention of the local moditron, they end up banned.

Gordon · 13-04-2008 11:09am

If you get 9 current infractions (or ten, I can't remember) then you get sitebanned automatically. Your infraction will probably stay for around 10 days or so and will then expire.

Although the infractions will expire they will stay on your profile and give a kind of credit rating if you like, a user rating, and bear in mind that a mod may review your history to decide on punishment if you act up on their forum. Although it's possible that they will take you on your actions solely in the forum they are acting upon.

norrie rugger · 13-04-2008 11:16am

Gordon wrote: »

If you get 9 current infractions (or ten, I can't remember) then you get sitebanned automatically. Your infraction will probably stay for around 10 days or so and will then expire.

Although the infractions will expire they will stay on your profile and give a kind of credit rating if you like, a user rating, and bear in mind that a mod may review your history to decide on punishment if you act up on their forum. Although it's possible that they will take you on your actions solely in the forum they are acting upon.

Which is why I can never understand why moderators say "it's only an infraction"

They follow you around like a bad smell for the lifetime of your profile

Mr Magnolia · 13-04-2008 11:21am

I agree that they shouldn't be handed out lightly. They can be reversed by an SMod or Admin, so if someone feels hard done by they should bring it to feedback or the helpdesk.

13-04-2008 11:23am

My current one was soft but deserved as it was the politics forum.I can see how you could build up infractins easily and som mods judging you by that.

Sherifu · 13-04-2008 11:25am

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I agree that they shouldn't be handed out lightly. They can be reversed by an SMod or Admin, so if someone feels hard done by they should bring it to feedback or the helpdesk.

One question on this. If they are reversed they are null and void? They are ignored by mods when they are making a decision about a user?

13-04-2008 12:30pm

If they are reversed, they drop off your profile.

I never bother to check infractions before I 'mod' someone.. but then I mod two quiet and well behaved forums. In AH or somewhere, I can see them being much more useful.

Sherifu · 13-04-2008 12:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are reversed, they drop off your profile.

I don't think so unless the admins search for them and delete them.

Sparky · 13-04-2008 12:44pm

If we reverse them they show 'Reversed' and you lose that point you would have otherwise had anyway.

infractions/warnings for records.

Sherifu · 13-04-2008 12:48pm

Sparky-s wrote: »

If we reverse them they show 'Reversed' and you lose that point you would have otherwise had anyway.

infractions/warnings for records.

Yes that's true but they stay on your profile afaik. Hopefully they wouldn't be misread by a mod in a hurry.

Overheal · 13-04-2008 2:34pm

It used to be a mod would give me warning in a thread or by PM. But then you rack up your first and second and then suddenly it starts snowballing: I've gotten 4 in the last week as a result. Just blatant red-card infractions: there seems to be no point in having yellow cards at all if they arent going to use them. To be honest out of all of those I only really expected a red card out of Maximillian's infraction but he was quite forgiving about the whole thing. I wouldnt mind if an SMod had a read over my last 4 though just to see what they think.

The Artist · 13-04-2008 3:48pm

talking of infractions i also have them as well.The question is do they dissapear after so long as you dont do anything stupid?I can see my infractions when i click on my own profile and do the the other members see my record of infractions or is it just the mods?(just out of curiosity:))because a member could bring up my subject that i was infracted on a post would make me upset,get the gist of it.Ive looked at alot of members profiles and they got infracted or banned and i dont see any records.:cool:

Overheal · 13-04-2008 3:54pm

Only moderators and up can see your infractions.

RoundyMooney · 13-04-2008 4:10pm

davey180 wrote: »

talking of infractions i also have them as well.The question is do they dissapear after so long as you dont do anything stupid?I can see my infractions when i click on my own profile and do the the other members see my record of infractions or is it just the mods?(just out of curiosity:))because a member could bring up my subject that i was infracted on a post would make me upset,get the gist of it.Ive looked at alot of members profiles and they got infracted or banned and i dont see any records.:cool:

I have reversed the rather large infraction which I gave you prior to Christmas. It was for an adverts violation at the time, and is no longer topical.

Your infractions are only viewable by mods or those higher up the food chain.

The Artist · 13-04-2008 4:31pm

RoundyMooney wrote: »

I have reversed the rather large infraction which I gave you prior to Christmas. It was for an adverts violation at the time, and is no longer topical.

Your infractions are only viewable by mods or those higher up the food chain.

thats funny i got a post from a member mentioning my infractions and bans im sure it wasnt from a mod?

RoundyMooney · 13-04-2008 5:12pm

Let's not go there again.

The Artist · 13-04-2008 5:23pm

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Let's not go there again.

no i wont RoundyMooney its not worth it:)

Nick_oliveri · 13-04-2008 5:24pm

:pac:Dont mean to turn this into a have i got any thread... but have i got any? :pac:

Ruu_Old · 13-04-2008 5:25pm

Nope.

Hagar · 13-04-2008 5:30pm

You have now...

Just kidding

Bob the Builder · 13-04-2008 10:43pm

got one in the politcs forum a few days ago... don't think that an infraction was totally deserved but it was only one point so I'm not gonna go fretting about it...

....good system tho!

Hobbes · 14-04-2008 12:20am

There are two kinds of infractions. Warnings and actual infractions.

The warnings have no effect on your account beyond leaving a record of what you may of did at that time. 10 real infractions will cause you to be automatically sitebanned. It is to stop muppet spammers when admins are off getting their usual 3 hour sleep.

As I understand it the points expire after a set time. The history of the infraction is recorded for all mods/admins to see and comment on.

Doctor DooM · 14-04-2008 12:25am

Hobbes wrote: »

There are two kinds of infractions. Warnings and actual infractions.

The warnings have no effect on your account beyond leaving a record of what you may of did at that time. 10 real infractions will cause you to be automatically sitebanned. It is to stop muppet spammers when admins are off getting their usual 3 hour sleep.

As I understand it the points expire after a set time. The history of the infraction is recorded for all mods/admins to see and comment on.

Technically, could a rogue mod get a user sitebanned by infracting them ten times in a row so?

AlmightyCushion · 14-04-2008 12:26am

SDooM wrote: »

Technically, could a rogue mod get a user sitebanned by infracting them ten times in a row so?

Yep, but they'd have some explaining to do.

buckfast4me · 14-04-2008 12:26am

Rofl @ this "Infraction" sh1te yas aren't judges in a court of law like.

Ruu_Old · 14-04-2008 12:27am

SDooM wrote: »

Technically, could a rogue mod get a user sitebanned by infracting them ten times in a row so?

It could happen but I dare not think of the consequences for said rogue mod. :eek:

Doctor DooM · 14-04-2008 12:28am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yep, but they'd have some explaining to do.

Thats why I said rogue.

*Keeps an eye on 6th*

AlmightyCushion · 14-04-2008 12:30am

buckfast4me wrote: »

Rofl @ this "Infraction" sh1te yas aren't judges in a court of law like.

Case dismissed.

buckfast4me · 14-04-2008 12:31am

can mods infraction other mods yes? I have some "friends" in the business,

Ruu_Old · 14-04-2008 12:31am

buckfast4me wrote: »

can mods infraction other mods yes? I have some "friends" in the business,

Not that I am aware of, unless it was changed recently and I've forgotten.

Case closed..

Doctor DooM · 14-04-2008 12:32am

buckfast4me wrote: »

can mods infraction other mods yes? I have some "friends" in the business,

AFAIK mods are just regular users outside of their own forums, so yup, I would say.

EDIT: I'd definitely trust Ruu over me on this one.

Overheal · 14-04-2008 12:33am

buckfast4me wrote: »

Rofl @ this "Infraction" sh1te yas aren't judges in a court of law like.

Theyre the judges and executors of this land however.

Nerin · 14-04-2008 12:35am

buckfast4me wrote: »

I have some "friends" in the business,

and?

AlmightyCushion · 14-04-2008 12:37am

SDooM wrote: »

AFAIK mods are just regular users outside of their own forums, so yup, I would say.

EDIT: I'd definitely trust Ruu over me on this one.

While you are right about the mods being users outside of their own forums vbulletin isn't made that way (Boards has hacks installed to make it that way). In vbulletin mods are mods everywhere on the site (I think) so vbulletin doesn't allow for them to be infracted. Smods and admins should be able to infract mods though.

monkeyfudge · 14-04-2008 12:47am

Case closed?

randylonghorn · 14-04-2008 1:47am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

While you are right about the mods being users outside of their own forums vbulletin isn't made that way (Boards has hacks installed to make it that way). In vbulletin mods are mods everywhere on the site (I think) so vbulletin doesn't allow for them to be infracted. Smods and admins should be able to infract mods though.

And yet mods of one forum can ban a mod of another forum from the (first) forum? But can't ban their fellow mods of their own forum (if I'm remembering a discussion on AH around Christmas correctly). Which would suggest some kind of differentiation is in place ... unless ofc I'm remembering that all wrong, which is also possible!! :rolleyes:

GuanYin · 14-04-2008 5:31am

Just to clarify.

I am the cause of he OPs post. The infraction was indeed a soft infraction, however, I mean that in the sense that sensible regular posters should use the report post function and not troll errant or wayward first time posters.

I don't see the infraction system as anything more serious than a PM from a mod. The difference is, that many new or inexperienced users will respond to a PM warning with contempt, they don't recognise or understand the boards system and to paraphrase Cartman (who lives nearby me) they have not learned respect for boards.ie authority.

The infraction system serves to offer a more formal way of repremanding these users. It is certainly more formal than me sending someone a PM telling them what they did was unaccetable, because it is a boards.ie generated message. In addition, all other mods can see my infraction message, so my comments to a user are on record and prevent me from abusing my position and offer clarity on any user claims of me abusing my position via PM.

In the case of Mods, an infraction is not as important. Most mods here know my ways and know my methods. While they may not like or respect me, they certainly know that my warning is not a trivial matter (as I understand that a warning from any other mod is not a trivial matter).

So imho, the infraction method serves two purposes. It offers a degree of formality to the mod-user moderation process, which prevents personalities from escalating issues, and it allows a mod an alternative to a straight out banning, especially useful from my point of view, as soccer and politics are strictly moderated boards.

How does the infraction system work?

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