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Biscuits v. Cakes

  • 10-04-2008 2:30pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭


    The ECJ offers a solution to one of the great legal problems of our time in the matter of Biscuits v. Cakes (C-309/06).

    We also learn from the article that jaffa cakes are officially considered to be cakes rather than biscuits. I'm not sure if I am comfortable with that.

    Discuss

    Link: [url] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7340101.stm[/url]
    Teacake set to cost taxman £3.5m

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    The UK Treasury is facing a £3.5m bill, because of VAT wrongly imposed on a Marks and Spencer teacake, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) has ruled.

    Customers paid VAT for 20 years before the authorities accepted the product was a cake, which does not command VAT.

    The UK argued that paying back the total sum would "unjustly enrich" M&S as customers had paid the money.

    The ECJ ruled that, in principle, VAT had to be repaid in full, but left the final decision to the British courts.

    We are pleased with the outcome which endorses our position - we're optimistic that the House of Lords will now find in our favour
    Marks and Spencer spokeswoman

    That decision will be taken by the House of Lords and HM Revenue and Customs said it was too early to make a comment.

    "This is a very complex judgment on which it would be premature to make any comment until the House of Lords has handed down its judgment," Revenue and Customs said in a statement.

    Marks and Spencer welcomed the ruling.

    "We are pleased with the outcome which endorses our position.

    "We're optimistic that the House of Lords will now find in our favour and hope that this will conclude the matter and draw a line under this protracted litigation," a spokeswoman said.

    Cake or biscuit

    UK tax officials acknowledged that chocolate teacakes had been wrongly classed as biscuits in 1994, prompting M&S to launch a legal battle to have the wrongly-paid VAT returned.

    Under UK tax rules, most traditional bakery products such as bread, cakes, flapjacks and Jaffa Cakes are free of VAT, but the tax is payable on cereal bars, shortbread and partly-coated or wholly-coated biscuits.

    The complexity of the legal battle surrounds the difference made by the tax authorities between companies classed until 2005 as repayment and payment traders.

    While M&S was classed as a payment trader which owed VAT to the government at the end of a financial quarter, it argues that the main supermarkets, which were owed VAT by the authorities, were treated differently on the issue of chocolate teacakes.

    It complains that HM Revenue and Customs handed supermarkets back the VAT wrongly paid by customers on chocolate teacakes, while refusing to do the same for Marks and Spencer.

    Unjust enrichment

    Customs officials point to a ruling by the VAT and Duties Tribunal which said that M&S would not have made much more profit on the teacakes if VAT had been removed.

    In the tribunal's opinion, compensation of more than 10% (£350,000) would have amounted to unjust enrichment of the company.

    But the European Court of Justice says the principle of "fiscal neutrality" means that tax authorities cannot make a distinction between different companies.

    It says it is up to the House of Lords to decide whether such a distinction was made.
    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7340101.stm

    Published: 2008/04/10 12:49:39 GMT

    © BBC MMVIII


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Cake has eggs in it, biscuits do not, thats the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Pines


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Cake has eggs in it, biscuits do not, thats the difference.

    No, no, no.

    When you leave cakes out in the air, they go hard, whereas biscuits go soft. For this reason, Jaffa Cakes are indeed cakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    I remember the Apples v. Oranges debate some time ago - why an apple can't be considered to be the same as an orange...

    There's a method to the madness I'm sure!


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    I wonder if there will be a queue of customers outside M&S waiting for a 20 year vat refund on all the teacakes they ever bought?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The distinction seems to be in the name e.g. jaffa cake is a cake but if they were called jaffa buscuits they would not be.

    I wonder can someone make a beer-cake that is exempt from alcohol duty etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    I remember the case of Fruit v Vegtables. Ruling was that carrots are in fact a fruit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    This is ultra vires isn't it? The ECJ is making a finding of fact in deciding what is and isn't a cake. The English will just ignore the ruling.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    This is ultra vires isn't it? The ECJ is making a finding of fact in deciding what is and isn't a cake. The English will just ignore the ruling.

    I don't think it was a finding of fact - the UK gov accepted that the classification was wrong. I think the issue before the ECJ was whether the UK gov had to repay the overpaid VAT or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭grumpytrousers


    Thirdfox wrote: »
    I remember the Apples v. Oranges debate some time ago

    IIRC the punchline to that hilarious joke, the difference was was that there's no such thing as an Apple b*stard...

    *awaits banning...*


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