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Public INvestigations

  • 10-04-2008 11:48AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭


    Whats the general vibe round here on public investigations? Personally, I cant see the point in them.

    If its thrill seeking, adventure tourism people want then event organisers should set up public ghost hunts for entertainment purposes only imo. Keep it seperate from people who want to find out more information on the paranormal rather than pay to 'scare' themselves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Publin Investigations are more often than not more valuable than private ones, imo. How longg has groups gone off in search of proof of the paranormal? No real proof has been found yet. I have been involved in a dozen public investigations and the value of them is that you give people the opportunity to experience it for themselves. Most evidence in the area is subjective so it stand to reason that the more people who have experiences the better. I've seen people go from a "triller seeker" to someone with a genuine interest all because of a public investigation ... now try tell me they arent worth doing.

    Keeping things private only serves to fuel elitism for the most part. Dont get me wrong, I love a private investigation but I wouldnt be working with the people I am today if it wasnt for the openess of the Irish Paranormal Community.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    I htink you;re picking me up wrong here now to be honest.

    The first thing is no-one is saying to keep anything private or to be elitist. Most groups (including ourselves) freely share any 'findings' as thats the whole point. Secondly, isnt the point of 'research' to go off and try and find evidence of the paranormal? Isnt that why we're all in this? Its obvious no definitive proof has been found, but agin, no-one is saying there has been. the quest for the information is the main point isnt it?

    What are people on public investigations experiencing for themselves? Paranormal activity or the mere fact of being in a supposed haunted place that they have paid money to be in?

    Really what Im trying to say is dont you think people who have an interest will find their way into the paranormal field regardless whereas public investigations just encourage a Most Haunted generation. The organisers make a few quid and the participants get a little thrill ride ..... but theres very little actual study of the investigation going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    6th wrote: »
    but I wouldnt be working with the people I am today if it wasnt for the openess of the Irish Paranormal Community.

    yes, i think you;ve completely mis-understood my initial post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    What has been achieved by private investigations that hasnt been by public?

    Plenty of people on Investigations have experienced what they believe to be paranormal activity, how is that any less valid than something experienced by someone who is part of a group?

    Everyone gets there interest in any area in different ways. Whether its ready an article, watching most haunted, watching ghostbusters, having a paranormal experience themselves or being told about one by someone else.

    I understand that you have a big problem with MH but no one can deny how much of a push it gave the whole area and how much it highlighted the cause. People are more vocal about there experiences now thanks to these programmes and while they may be sh1te have predjustice against the viewers of such shows is pure snobbery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Well if you think I dont get the point of your post then try make it clearer? Its seems you are saying there is no point in doing public investigations - I have pointed out how I think they are a vital part of the whole area.


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  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I dont think there is any harm with it at all. Especially for the community that for some reason can be a little tense at times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    chillax there six. you implied I thought things should be private and elitist and you outlined how you wouldnt be as involved in the paranormal community if it wasnt so sharing. I was just pointing out to you that my post never made any such statements. Theres a difference in not understanding something and introducing a straw man to the debate.

    I dont believe the main point of public investigations is to share the paranormal experience, or indeed study the paranormal - its mainly a way of raising finance is it not? thats my issue with it. Certainly not 'vital' - ie if there were no public investigations paranormal research would still continue regardless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    I dont think there is any harm with it at all. Especially for the community that for some reason can be a little tense at times.

    I do agree. Sometimes though I think too many people rely solely on public investigations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    I never implied anything about you but I can understand how you took it personally as it was a reply to your post. I was talking in general. No harm, no foul.

    Public investigations area way in for alot of people. I've done more private than public but see how bringing in fresh minds and new idea can keep things going forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    iamhunted wrote: »
    I dont believe the main point of public investigations is to share the paranormal experience, or indeed study the paranormal - its mainly a way of raising finance is it not? thats my issue with it.

    I've had about 30 different people on public investigations and I think through Boards.ie more public investigations have been done in Ireland than by any other group.

    As for being for profit? I have only ever made a loss with public investigations, having stumped up for people who can make it at the last minute. That said the aim is never to make money, we split the costs for a location equally between everyone, the team and the "public".
    iamhunted wrote: »
    Certainly not 'vital' - ie if there were no public investigations paranormal research would still continue regardless.

    Yes it will continue, with the same people, same ideas and the same equipment. Fresh blood can be an amazing thing. If you get 1 person out of 10 with a new way of looking at things then its a success.


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  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hey 6th , i actually wanted to ask , if you ever found certain people to be magnets to aactivity ? When i say that not necessarily sensitive .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Definately, but I find when these people know they are then it gets dangerous. I've had people say stuff to me like "have me on an investigation and I guarantee stuff will happen, I'll make sh1t happen!" some of these people are dangerously stupid.

    Some folk are like a running tap when it comes to their energy and things can happen around these people ..... Stoner is not one of these people :D

    Actually Dre, I find most people who have activity around them alot are usually the cause of it rather than attracting "ghosts".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Lovely a row,

    I know that iamhunted has had at least one one bad experience with a kind of public investigation, I've been lucky enough not to, but it was part luck and part planned. That's why I don't mind them at all, its a good way to meet up with people, however there is usually some level of screening involved on the ones I've been at, so they were really semi private.
    In-fact it was quite hard for me to get to go on my first one with, I was continuously blanked by 6th, even though I had let him in on one beforehand :).
    For that reason I would not count the boards investigations as "public" the last one I was involved in required a lot of e mail, with only about 40% new people, all of whom had some sort of character reference or history on boards.


    I do think that just advertising an investigation and taking people along without any knowledge of what they are like would lead to the sort of situation described in the OP. i.e. a waste of time, unless you are making money out of it, where it becomes some form of entertainment and there is nothing wrong with that, but they should not IMO be considered an Investigation, maybe just a ghost Hunt.

    And you know the difference between a Hunt and an Investigation right, Iaminvestigated ? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    I know! I KNOW!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    put your hand down 6th


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Stoner wrote: »
    For that reason I would not count the boards investigations as "public" ...

    And you know the difference between a Hunt and an Investigation right, Iaminvestigated ? :D

    i wouldnt count the boards investigations as public either - thats not the kind of 'public' investigations I mean. And I dont mean to be rude, but, have I had a 'bad' experience with a public investigation? Ive never been on or near one so I can't figure that one out. I have often refused to go on public investigations alright - but thats not a bad experience. quite liberating actually.

    And no - Ive no idea the difference between a hunt and an investigation other than ghost hunters go ghost hunting and paranormal investigators go investigating.

    like really, what the hell is a ghost hunt outside of organising a thrill seeking adventure for people who want to pay money to be 'scared'? isnt a public 'investigation' a ghost hunt - and if so then whys it called an investigation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭DANNY22XX


    if an accident happens ,,,who is at fault the the person themselves or people who arranged the investigation,,,imo it could be very hard reveiwing evidence,,,i have read before were a team broke an item of funiture that was very expensive,,,when it came to light and reviewing the evidence it was 2 guest on the investigation who did the damage but the team still had to fork out the money,,,
    me personally i wouldnt but if as you said 6th if it gets some new groups formed and can work together well thats the bonus,,
    as stoner said a lot of emails and organising but for me i would rather just organise for my own group..but i have no probs in bringing someone that i know has some experience,,as before we have had the run and screamers they didnt stay to long ,,,because they were causing health and saftey issues,,,
    just my 2 cents,,,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    A hunt is when you go to a location which has no reported activity - you go looking for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Ok I see the difference between a boards event and an ad in the paper but I still see a Boards one as public.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    6th wrote: »
    A hunt is when you go to a location which has no reported activity - you go looking for it.


    I'd find that a bit clinical. There mightnt be reported activity that you know of, but that doesnt mean theres never been reported activity .....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    plus - I dunno ... ghost 'hunting' is all a tad ghostbusters. why not just document and share the info and call it research? I would view the term 'ghost hunting' more of a commercial handle - like hunting .. a bit of excitement, sport, something to do for fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    We can only go with what we know to be the case surely?

    <3 Ghostbusters!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    iamhunted wrote: »
    I'd find that a bit clinical. There mightnt be reported activity that you know of, but that doesnt mean theres never been reported activity .....

    Its just something I've read in a few place, not something I claim to be true.

    i.e. a house looks scary so people go on a ghost hunt there with no reports of activity against someone reports seeing the devil in their house, so you go and investigate it.

    It's really is just down to the knowledge you have before you go to a place, anyway it was Mr Troy Taylor who described the difference , not me.

    Also iamhunted, did you not have some sort of openish investigation, where some people had to leave? or was that just Danny?


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stoner wrote: »
    i.e. a house looks scary so people go on a ghost hunt there with no reports of activity against someone reports seeing the devil in their house, so you go and investigate it.

    Loftus Hall :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Stoner wrote: »
    Also iamhunted, did you not have some sort of openish investigation, where some people had to leave? or was that just Danny?

    That was one of our own investigations where, how shall I put it, we were trying out some new people. I wasnt there, tbh, but the dan man ended up telling them to leave as their 'medium' abilities werent really what we were after. But as I say, that wasnt an open investigation of any kind - it was one of our own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭DANNY22XX


    Stoner wrote: »

    Also iamhunted, did you not have some sort of openish investigation, where some people had to leave? or was that just Danny?

    it was me ,,i think health a saftey all the time but they thought of it as a scream fest,,first it sounded like they were being lifted across the room and the screams for help,didnt go down well with me,,,lol,,when i got to them it was the dishwasher on selfclean,,,selfrinse what ever,,,as i was on my way 2 others ran to see one them nearly fell down 2 flights of stairs,,,so i knocked them on the head asked them to leave and carried on the investigation with the original team,,so in my eyes never again,now if someone had of fallen who would be to blame the team or the owners or the drama queens that crapped them selves because of a dishwasher,,,so i can see were boards comes from but for me its a no no,,,.
    the only tool you need from all this is a level head,,if you cant have that,,,forget it,,most people who investigate here i know would have a level head but it only takes one to cause an accident,,,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Stoner wrote: »
    i.e. a house looks scary so people go on a ghost hunt there with no reports of activity against someone reports seeing the devil in their house, so you go and investigate it.

    Im obviously just not cut out for this lark as thats another thing that urks me greatly - investigating somewhere primarily because it looks like its haunted.

    Dont get me wrong - theres every good reason to do some training in some abandoned buildings etc, but unless you've uncovered some kind of paranormal history to somewhere, surely theres no real point in going 'hunting' just because it looks like the stereotypical Hollywood haunted house .... ? Isnt it wiser to investigate places that have some paranormal history? (and a lot of the time you have to go digging to find that 'paranormal' history).

    I think what gets me about the whole open 'investigation' and ghost hunting in scary looking buildings is that a) what is the point behind it other than the scare factor and b) a lot of the time it seems the easy way out - rather than doing some research, asking locals, finding out a bit of the history of an area and its folklore (which often tells stories of local hauntings etc), people find it easy to pay into a castle somewhere as part of an open investigation, or go ghosthunting in a building that looks like it should be haunted. its trying to to do research without any of the work (and more times than not, with very, very little results in comparison to investigating places that at least have some sort of paranormal history). Its obviously not about finding information so it has to be for the entertainment value.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭kshiel


    I went on my first investigation through here and they would have not known me at the time other than what I would have put up on posts, which was a risk I suppose on both sides but if it wasn't for these types of investigations I wouldn't have met up with a lot of ye guys.

    I can see jamhunted that these types of investigations do not suit you and I remember danny telling me about that night but you can't judge everyone on the same level as those individuals who clearly couldn't handle themselves or the situation they were in. I am sure on some public investigations there are horror stories of idots running riot but I am sure a lot of contacts have been made through these open investigations and a lot of people would not have had the opportunity regardless of how sciencetific it was to expereince these types of ventures.

    On going on a ghost hunt well what the harm if thats what your into. Spirits will be open to you when you are ready to be open to them regardless of where you are... who knows what or where is really haunted maybe if more research was done in locations where its not so deemed to be active and compare to those places that are, maybe some interesting findings could come about and maybe it would be a big fat waste of time but we wouldn't know unless we tried it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    I cant see why a ghostbuster style ghost hunt cant turn up great results. Its obviously a bit of fun and banter generates alot of energy. Like the last investigation I was on where I was nearly wetting myself laughing at a certain team members stomach noises when another team member was pushed. Anyone who takes people on an investigation without knowing them before or having a character reference deserves trouble tbh.

    I still dont get the difference between an investigation and a ghost hunt in terms of how the night is structured.

    Looking forward to another one though, I even have my CD with Ghostbusters Theme song ready for the drive there ! Id also like to think that'd id be the black lad, Winston !!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    kshiel wrote: »
    would be a big fat waste of time but we wouldn't know unless we tried it out.


    Damn Straight! Thats what its all about. I mean I *could* investigate Charleville a tenth time or I could try and source new locations and perhaps get more evidence rather than the same stuff again in the same location. (im using the Royal "I" btw)


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