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Real to offer £100 million for Ronaldo

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Boggles wrote: »
    Ammm, we have 3 pages of debate currently on a tabloid story!

    Good retort.
    I dont know why i bother replying to your posts.
    You pluck most of them from the sky it seems!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    It was more than 6, what else can I base it on? I think 8 games is a good enough gauge on whether to rate a player or not. I'm sure players have been brought to clubs on less viewings than that.

    Has Totti impressed you from what you have seen of him this season? Or have you seen him this season?

    Considering I watch both Serie A and European competition then yes he has impressed. The same way he has done for over ten years.
    Boggles wrote: »
    I will watch him next season if I can and if he turns a corner, I will start a thread stating "Totti no longer Spent force" - Deal?

    Ah so you ignore the facts from both last season and this in the hope that he may conform to your ideas next year? Fair enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Considering I watch both Serie A and European competition then yes he has impressed.

    Totti impressed you this year in Europe? You must be very easily impressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    Totti impressed you this year in Europe? You must be very easily impressed.

    *sigh*

    You said he hasn't impressed overall in the few games you've seen him play. In general, over the 30-odd games he's played in all competitions he has impressed me. I never specified a competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    *sigh*

    You said he hasn't impressed overall in the few games you've seen him play. In general, over the 30-odd games he's played in all competitions he has impressed me. I never specified a competition.
    Boggles wrote: »
    He scored one in Europe this Season. I have watched him 7 or 8 times in the last 12 months in europe and have not been impressed.
    Boggles wrote: »
    I don't watch the Italian league, so can't comment on that.

    It was pretty clear I was talking about Europe.

    Do you support Roma?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    It was pretty clear I was talking about Europe.

    Do you support Roma?

    Look at my sig and you'll see who I support.

    In your original post you made the statement that Totti is a spent force. That implies you think he's finished as a player. Correct? I don't see how it is possible to make such a sweeping comment having seen only a handful of the games he's played in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Look at my sig and you'll see who I support.

    In your original post you made the statement that Totti is a spent force. That implies you think he's finished as a player. Correct? I don't see how it is possible to make such a sweeping comment having seen only a handful of the games he's played in.

    Apologies I had sigs turned off. I see now you don't support Roma. It was not a handful of games it was 8 as I have already told you. 8 games in Europe which would be considered top flight and an excellent arena to gauge a player.

    You said you have seen him play 30+ times this season, I have the channels that show Italian football and there is no way Roma have been on 30 times.

    Have you been travelling to the matches?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    Apologies I had sigs turned off. I see now you don't support Roma. It was not a handful of games it was 8 as I have already told you. 8 games in Europe which would be considered top flight and an excellent arena to gauge a player.

    You said you have seen him play 30+ times this season, I have the channels that show Italian football and there is no way Roma have been on 30 times.

    Have you been travelling to the matches?

    Nope I stream. TVU player has them on every week pretty much.

    Plus the stats don't lie. His goal ratio in general speaks for itself.

    Look the whole argument is based around you making a ridiculous sweeping statement about a player then getting upset when you were questioned on it. 8 games is simply not enough to say a player is finished, especially when he has been excellent in those other games you haven't seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Nope I stream. TVU player has them on every week pretty much.

    Plus the stats don't lie. His goal ratio in general speaks for itself.

    So you have seen Roma play 30+ Times this season? And you are not a Roma fan. Why such interest?

    Stats can be very misleading to how a player is performing, you have already said you can't gauge a player on viewing 8 european matches but now your dismissing seeing someone play alltogether and relying on stats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    So you have seen Roma play 30+ Times this season? And you are not a Roma fan. Why such interest?

    Stats can be very misleading to how a player is performing, you have already said you can't gauge a player on viewing 8 european matches but now your dismissing seeing someone play alltogether and relying on stats?

    You can nit pick all you want to try deflect from your original silly statement but you're talking bollox about Totti being finished as a player and that's all that matters. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, once you know it's crap.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    You can nit pick all you want to try deflect from your original silly statement but you're talking bollox about Totti being finished as a player and that's all that matters. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, once you know it's crap.

    So how many times have you seen Roma play this season?, I think we have established there is only one person talking Bollox, you havn't seen them 30+ times have you?

    And of course my friend you are entitled to your opinion, but when debating your side don't tell lies, and when you are caught in these lies don't resort to attacking the poster, your around long enough to know you don't do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Totti was pretty impressive against Madrid tbh, controlled the pace of the game, looked like he had as much time as he wanted on the ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    So how many times have you seen Roma play this season?, I think we have established there is only one person talking Bollox, you havn't seen them 30+ times have you?

    And of course my friend you are entitled to your opinion, but when debating your side don't tell lies, and when you are caught in these lies don't resort to attacking the poster, your around long enough to know you don't do that.

    I don't have an exact figure on the amount of games but over the course of the season it would be in the 20s as I stay up and watch football every Saturday/Sunday night over here. That's a sufficient amount of games to be able to counter your argument to be fair.

    I never attacked you and I ask you to show me where I have. I merely said your opinion was crap. I'm sure you're a real sound bloke outside of your opinion on Totti :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I don't have an exact figure on the amount of games but over the course of the season it would be in the 20s as I stay up and watch football every Saturday/Sunday night over here. That's a sufficient amount of games to be able to counter your argument to be fair.

    I never attacked you and I ask you to show me where I have. I merely said your opinion was crap. I'm sure you're a real sound bloke outside of your opinion on Totti :)

    We will leave it there so.

    Benjani good or bad signing? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Boggles wrote: »
    We will leave it there so.

    Benjani good or bad signing? :)

    Lol well he scored in the derby at Old Trafford so best signing of the year!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    To say Totti is finished is just stupid. That said, I think to say Totti would have made the difference between United and Roma was Totti is just silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    PHB wrote: »
    To say Totti is finished is just stupid. That said, I think to say Totti would have made the difference between United and Roma was Totti is just silly.

    Who said that? If you mean me then all I said is he would have made A difference, not that him missing was THE difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    IrishMike wrote: »
    What paper may i ask?
    A 2 page story in a tabloid such as NOTW or the Sun means **** all.
    He is not the most marketable sportsman in the world.
    He is not the most marketable sportsman in Europe.
    He is not even the most marketable sportsman in European football.
    To say he could be is pretty pointless.
    I could say im going to win the lotto, could happen but chances are stacked against it!
    To put it in context, Tiger woods makes as much from endorsements in a
    year as Ronaldos world record fee of 100m which is also less than David
    Beckhams total net worth.
    Its like comparing a skoda to a ferrari, they are not even in the same ballpark!

    that's bullsh*t and you know it. in terms of untapped potential the footballing market is far greater than the golf market. and Beckham's earnings weren't that far off Tiger's i read recently enough, certainly it appears football is catching up.

    now after Beckham, who has the next pin up face of soccer? big head Wayne? vertically challenged Messi? he may not be the worlds greatest footballer but Ronaldo IS the worlds most marketable footballer. he's got the ability to make him stand out on the pitch. he's got the successful big name team thing going down. he's got the image. you'd be deluding yourself if you think otherwise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    that's bullsh*t and you know it. in terms of untapped potential the footballing market is far greater than the golf market. and Beckham's earnings weren't that far off Tiger's i read recently enough, certainly it appears football is catching up.

    now after Beckham, who has the next pin up face of soccer? big head Wayne? vertically challenged Messi? he may not be the worlds greatest footballer but Ronaldo IS the worlds most marketable footballer. he's got the ability to make him stand out on the pitch. he's got the successful big name team thing going down. he's got the image. you'd be deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

    So we are all expert marketing executives now!

    Seriously cop on and stop mouthing off about things you know nothing about. Its too american:D

    Anyway tiger is close to earning 1 Billion, Beckham is around the 90 million mark. So bit off so far!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Golf is the most profitable sport in the world, way beyond soccer. Why? Because it utterly dominates the middle and upper classes. So there's a ****load more money, and also equipment if more expensive, so there are higher potentials for golfers.

    Ronaldo sponsors a boot. Boot costs 60 quid.
    Woods sponsors a club, a set of clubs costs a grand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    PHB wrote: »
    Golf is the most profitable sport in the world, way beyond soccer.

    Is that actually a fact, can someone confirm it?
    PHB wrote: »
    Ronaldo sponsors a boot. Boot costs 60 quid.
    Woods sponsors a club, a set of clubs costs a grand.

    That is oversimplyfing it me thinks.

    Thierry Henry endoresed a Car. A car Costs much more than a boot and a set of clubs, doesn't mean he makes more - Va Va Voom.

    The article suggested he has the POTENTIAL to outearn Tiger. Not overall I would suggest, Tigers career could realistically last 30+ years, Ronaldo would be severely lucky if he could manage half that.

    Market for Golf - 60 Million

    Market for Soccer - 3.5 Billion

    I'm no market guru but 60 / 3.5 Billion = A Way bigger market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    jank wrote: »
    So we are all expert marketing executives now!

    Seriously cop on and stop mouthing off about things you know nothing about. Its too american:D

    how presumptuous of you.
    PHB wrote: »
    Golf is the most profitable sport in the world, way beyond soccer. Why? Because it utterly dominates the middle and upper classes. So there's a ****load more money, and also equipment if more expensive, so there are higher potentials for golfers.

    Ronaldo sponsors a boot. Boot costs 60 quid.
    Woods sponsors a club, a set of clubs costs a grand.

    again a pointless analogy. Porsche are the most profitable car manufacturer in the world, if your talking margins. In nominal terms it's Toyota. Tiger can be your Porsche of the sportsworld, but Ronaldo (or someone like him) can be your Toyota.

    you're also forgetting the institutional differences between Soccer and Golf. Ronaldo will never see as high a percentage of his market value accrue to his own personal income because at the end of the day there's more middle men in soccer than Golf. the club gets the first slice basically, as they are ones who directly benefit from the shirt sales (Real Madrid reputedly made Beckham's transfer fee in shirt sales in that first season, how much of that went towards his own personal income?). and i know little about Golf, but aren't the individual prize monies Tiger would accrue far in excess of what they are in soccer? doesn't that skew the figures already?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Boggles wrote: »
    United are not a selling club, never have been. If they sell Ronaldo it will be a first. Ronaldo makes money for United, huge amounts. Business analysis have predicted he will be more marketable than Tiger Woods, which isn't a bad prediction considering football is infinately larger than the golf market will ever be.

    Madrid have elections every year, this is part of the political nonsense. If they do indeed have 100 million sterling to spend, they would be better off getting in 5 or 6 player who might be able to steady the ship.

    Ronaldo is playing in the best league in the world with the best team in the world. A move to Madrid would be a step down, as long as Ferguson has a hole in is arse, that Portugese winger will be going nowhere.



    lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    £100m for ronaldo, lol, i am sure madrid would offer that if they went completely bonkers

    well they did give Utd £20m for David Beckham and he was the best player in the world before ronaldo according to sky and the british media so i suppose Madrid are easily conned :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    QUEIROZ WARNS MADRID OFF RONALDO

    Manchester United assistant manager Carlos Queiroz has warned his former club Real Madrid that even £96million would not be enough to prise away Cristiano Ronaldo.

    Madrid have long been admirers of the Portugal international, with the Spanish media regularly linking the club with a big-money swoop for the 23-year-old winger.

    However Queiroz, who spent a year in charge at the Bernabeu before returning to his former position as Sir Alex Ferguson's right-hand man at United in 2004, insists even a world-record transfer fee would not tempt the reigning Barclays Premier League champions into selling their biggest star.

    "We would not sell him for 120million euros," Queiroz was reported as saying in Spanish newspaper Marca.

    "You can offer all the money in the world, but there is no amount that can buy him."

    Just spotted this on sportinglife.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Sweet! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    DaveMcG wrote: »
    Sweet! :D

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/fa_carling_premiership/724438.stm

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Cristiano-Ronaldo-and-Gabriel-Heinze-Are-NOT-for-Sale-29731.shtml

    http://www.manunitedfanclub.com/2006/12/22/smith-not-for-sale-says-fergie/

    I found these in a couple of minutes. All players sold after Ferguson said "...is not for sale"

    Everyone has his price. Every one. Hey, there was even a Manchester Utd is not for sale :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/fa_carling_premiership/724438.stm

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Cristiano-Ronaldo-and-Gabriel-Heinze-Are-NOT-for-Sale-29731.shtml

    http://www.manunitedfanclub.com/2006/12/22/smith-not-for-sale-says-fergie/

    I found these in a couple of minutes. All players sold after Ferguson said "...is not for sale"

    Everyone has his price. Every one. Hey, there was even a Manchester Utd is not for sale :D

    All Players not needed by the club anymore. United have never sold at a players peak in recent times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/fa_carling_premiership/724438.stm

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Cristiano-Ronaldo-and-Gabriel-Heinze-Are-NOT-for-Sale-29731.shtml

    http://www.manunitedfanclub.com/2006/12/22/smith-not-for-sale-says-fergie/

    I found these in a couple of minutes. All players sold after Ferguson said "...is not for sale"

    Everyone has his price. Every one. Hey, there was even a Manchester Utd is not for sale :D

    I think Smith is the only one of those that was sold soon after comments were made. Cole lasted a good while longer, Heinze was still there up to the following summer and was only sold when he made it clear he had no respect for United or its fans.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Tiger Woods = Best ever in his chosen sport.

    Ronaldo = Best player in the world currently.

    Stop comparing the two.
    In marketing terms its an embarrasment.
    In sporting terms its an embarrasment.

    Woods is revered by almost all involved in golf, and most other sports. Ronaldo (and almost any footballer) will never be that. They alienate massive portions of the planet based on the club they play for and their own carry on on the field.

    Woods is the greatest sportsperson of our generation. Ronaldo, not near it.


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