Are they really 2yo's

snowydot

Does anyone else find it truly amazing that so many 2yo's and horses in general are born on January 1st? For example at a recent 2yo maiden in Ireland 7 of the 8 runners were born on Jan 1st. As a breeder I find this amazing that so many mares year in and out produce their progeny on the 1st day of the year. God forbid that they foal before that date and make them ineligible to run as a 2yo!!!

will1977

mdwexford

God i hope this is a joke.

redzerdrog

lol

id like to know when the odd was born!!!

wb

As a breeder I find this amazing

This has got to be a wind up ......but if not, every horse is given Jan 1st as their birthday, despite the day they were born.

Please say this is a wind up. In fact, it must be a wind up as no breeder would be ignorant of this fact.

Crumbs

1st August for horses born in the southern hemisphere.

Bez32

snowydot wrote: »

Does anyone else find it truly amazing that so many 2yo's and horses in general are born on January 1st? For example at a recent 2yo maiden in Ireland 7 of the 8 runners were born on Jan 1st. As a breeder I find this amazing that so many mares year in and out produce their progeny on the 1st day of the year. God forbid that they foal before that date and make them ineligible to run as a 2yo!!!

I get what you mean even if those below your post dont, I have heard this happen on numerous occasions, all you need is a friendly vet to register the birth as January 1st, there is no real way to stop breeders doing it either

Bez32

wb wrote: »

This has got to be a wind up ......but if not, every horse is given Jan 1st as their birthday, despite the day they were born.

Please say this is a wind up. In fact, it must be a wind up as no breeder would be ignorant of this fact.

If a horse is born on the 31st December, he is considered to be a year old the very next day, so therefor he will be considered a 2 year old when in fact he will only be 1 and not be ready to run against proper 2 year olds, so breeders will just not fill in the horses birth cert until January 1st and put that down as there birth date. Did I explain that well enough for you

knighted

snowydot wrote: »

Does anyone else find it truly amazing that so many 2yo's and horses in general are born on January 1st? For example at a recent 2yo maiden in Ireland 7 of the 8 runners were born on Jan 1st. As a breeder I find this amazing that so many mares year in and out produce their progeny on the 1st day of the year. God forbid that they foal before that date and make them ineligible to run as a 2yo!!!

lets dissect this thread to see where the confusion lies -if 7 out of 8 were showing jan 1st what was the date of the other one ?

Bez32

knighted wrote: »

lets dissect this thread to see where the confusion lies -if 7 out of 8 were showing jan 1st what was the date of the other one ?

If you check the Racing Post or any other reputable horse racing site it will tell you the exact date the horse was born, the vast majority of horses are born between January and April, so for example the other horse could have been born in February.

The original poster is pointing to the fact that it couldnt be just a coincidence that the other 7 were born exactly on January 1st meaning they are eligiable for 2 year old races the same time as the horse born in February, if there real birth dates was December 31st they wouldnt be eligable to run in that 2 year old race with the horse born in Feb, as they would be now considered 3 year olds even though they were only 2 months older than the Feb born horse. Is that clear.

wb

Ah, I see what he means. Good point actually.

snowydot

Thanks Bez I love the way some people spout facts without actually knowing them. If you are not sure what I am suggesting, look at the case of Endless Summer a group 2 winner and dual group 1 placed 2yo who was disqualified from all his 2yo races.

snowydot

Please say this is a wind up. In fact, it must be a wind up as no breeder would be ignorant of this fact.[/QUOTE]

Stones in glass houses and all....Yes I am a breeder and my last foal has a registered birth date of the 4th of April previous to that the 17th of March.

wb

snowydot wrote: »

Please say this is a wind up. In fact, it must be a wind up as no breeder would be ignorant of this fact.

Stones in glass houses and all....Yes I am a breeder and my last foal has a registered birth date of the 4th of April previous to that the 17th of March.

In my best Liverpool accent: "Calm down mate!"

Snowydot, if you read the thread you'll see that I later realised what you were trying to say and commented that it was a very good point.

I think your initial post was a bit unclear that's all. We've had so many people on here recently trolling that one has become wary when people claim they are a breeder/trainer/jockey etc etc!

A quick question if you don't mind...

I'd be interested in knowing what the earliest date before January that a horse could be born yet still be held off being registered? Is this practice very commonplace, and are there any penalties if found out?

Thanks

knighted

Bez32 wrote: »

If you check the Racing Post or any other reputable horse racing site it will tell you the exact date the horse was born, the vast majority of horses are born between January and April, so for example the other horse could have been born in February.

The original poster is pointing to the fact that it couldnt be just a coincidence that the other 7 were born exactly on January 1st meaning they are eligiable for 2 year old races the same time as the horse born in February, if there real birth dates was December 31st they wouldnt be eligable to run in that 2 year old race with the horse born in Feb, as they would be now considered 3 year olds even though they were only 2 months older than the Feb born horse. Is that clear.

now here is where the confusion sets in - i have 4 horses and i typed them in to the racing post -for two of them it gives there correct date of birth and the other two are listed as jan 1st
and i know there true dates as i looked at the passports -so it might be the case that the racingpost dont have a complete data base or there is some other criteria missing for some horses -

so of the seven listed two year olds is it possible that they fall under the unknown by the racing post ? and actually have a different birth date like my two?

if you post up what race you are talking about i will check all there dates on weatherbys

Bez32

knighted wrote: »

now here is where the confusion sets in - i have 4 horses and i typed them in to the racing post -for two of them it gives there correct date of birth and the other two are listed as jan 1st
and i know there true dates as i looked at the passports -so it might be the case that the racingpost dont have a complete data base or there is some other criteria missing for some horses -

so of the seven listed two year olds is it possible that they fall under the unknown by the racing post ? and actually have a different birth date like my two?

if you post up what race you are talking about i will check all there dates on weatherbys

Yes of course this may be the case, but this practice does happen, I know of it happening a few times as I work in the industry, there is huge penalties if found out but some are going to slip through the net as it is impossible to tell in most cases.

An interesting example is the most expensive brood mare in the world at the time was bought a few years ago for somewhere around the 10 million mark, and was covered by one of the top stallions in America for a tidy sum, her first foal was born around Christmas day last year, meaning that it would only really be a yearling racing against two year olds in 2009, the owners were not best pleased but nature will take its course

knighted

Bez32 wrote: »

Yes of course this may be the case, but this practice does happen, I know of it happening a few times as I work in the industry, there is huge penalties if found out but some are going to slip through the net as it is impossible to tell in most cases.

nobody is disputing that this happens ,what is being discussed is the op question about 7 being born on jan 1st ,and if the race in question is revealed and we can check it with weatherbys ,then we will know if its a mistake on the part of the racing post or just the lack of information available to them .

what the op was suggesting was that 7 foals were born on thesame day and he found that "truely amazing" when in fact he saw the dates on the racing post and he didnt know that there data base is incorrect or incomplete ,so therefore it was a mistake on his part but he has highlighted a problem for breeders which is an interesting one but not really connected to the two year old race in question

snowydot

Knighted - the information that Wetherby collect comes directly from the breeder, the foal returns are signed by the vet and that information is taken as gospel and entered in the GSB.

knighted

i know all that ,but could you please tell me where you got the 7 out of 8 jan 1st from in the one race ,was it off rp? please post which race it was and i can check it and halt the confusion

just for information purposes ,the racingpost pull there info from irishracingcom which is owned by a newspaper and not connected in any way with hri turf club or weatherbys so thats how dates are not correct

just post the race in question

knighted

ok heres a race to day at tipp -first race 2yo maiden 8 runners 5 f
7 out of 8 are listed as jan 1st -now if you go and check weatherbys it gives you there true birth date -its just because the racingpost dont have all the required info -the 7 havent been born on the same day the rp are just using the industry standard date cause they dont have the correct date -

if you still dont believe me check it with weatherbys yourself -

knighted

by the silence i will assume that bez and snowydot have seen the error of there ways never assume nowt as the reputable sites are rarely ruputable

heres a question for the two of you and the answer will actually educate other racing fans on this website ,you should know the answer as both of you are in the industry

why is the turf club run and regulated by amateurs while horse racing ireland(hri) is run by professionals?

anybody can answer

Bez32

knighted wrote: »

by the silence i will assume that bez and snowydot have seen the error of there ways never assume nowt as the reputable sites are rarely ruputable

heres a question for the two of you and the answer will actually educate other racing fans on this website ,you should know the answer as both of you are in the industry

why is the turf club run and regulated by amateurs while horse racing ireland(hri) is run by professionals?

anybody can answer

You truly are an annoying man, I never claimed to know about the race he was talking about, I was mearly trying to clear up the misunderstanding, and my guess would be that he cant remember the exact race, so I dont understand the point your trying to make, my point is this practice happens