Best/worst/most underated, most overrated etc......TNA

flahavaj

Name the people whom you think are the best/worst/most overrated/most underrated/most improved and most deteriorated in TNA at present.

Back by popular demand, same as the previous WWE thread but for TNA. Im too wrecked atm to post mine, I'll do it another day.

Happy now Ger?;)

Double C

OK, I haven't seen TNA in about 6 months, so I’m judging this off memory.

Best: Either Joe, Kurt or Christian. Probably Kurt. Or Sting. I don’t know.

Worst: The Dudleys, the James Gang, Messias, Rellik and Black Reign. Those guys are either past it or too big and too green. I hate Eric Young too. And Petey Williams is terrible.

Overrated: Again a dodgy pick, but AJ. Daniels is way better. Lethal isn't great either. Again, they are not bad, they are just not that good.

Underrated: Shelley. By a long way. He is just like a better version of an early Chris Jericho. Genius on the mic and pretty damn good in the ring. How he hasn't been given a decent run, either as a singles guy in the X Division, or with Sabin, is beyond me. James Storm is also incredibly good. WWE went for the wrong half of AMW.

Improved: Tomko. Hands down.

Deteriorated: No one really stands out. If I had to pick one Id go with Bobby Roode. His singles push hasn't done much for him. He used to be great in Team Canada as the powerhouse. Oh, the good old days of Team Canada....

chopperbyrne

flahavaj wrote: »

Name the people whom you think are the best/worst/most overrated/most underrated/most improved and most deteriorated in TNA at present.

Back by popular demand, same as the previous WWE thread but for TNA. Im too wrecked atm to post mine, I'll do it another day.

Happy now Ger?;)

I was never unhappy.

Eh who are you?

Machismo Fan

Best: It just has to be the 'Phenomonal' AJ Styles. As a wrestler he is superb, as a performer he is just as good and outside of the ring he is phenomenal.

Worst: Black Reign. He is a handy wrestler but he is nowhere near the lowest level of conditioning required.(I think that's the nicest way I could put it)

Overrated: I don't really know.

Underrated: LAX but it seems not for long. They've spent quite a long period outside the Tag Title picture and Hernandez is awesome.

Improved: Kaz. He could go far.

Deteriorated: Abyss. Don't get me wrong Abyss is awesome but a gimmick change will come with much appreciation.

Let me give Team 3D honourable mention. They are very important to TNA's heel division. Also, hopefully TNA will bring back a strong Team Canada for the World X Cup and bring back Scott D'Amore.

rossie1977

^^^^^

Best: i fully agree with AJ but seeing him live for the first time in orlando last week makes you realise why tna are a bit hesitant to push him given his tiny stature. at one point matt morgan was next to him and it was like morgan and a small child. Still though aj was pulling off moves that defied gravity for the most part, truly amazing talent

Worst: i also agree with blackdust, what that fat no talent **** is doing in tna is beyond me, sack him now dixie

Overated: have to say i don't get the smarks all loving on tyson tomko. The dude can't talk to save his life and is still incredibly awkward in the ring. Oh but he spent time in Japan so he must be a star now?? No

Underrated: i agree with LAX, best tag team on american tv atm. Hernandez is one of the best big men in wrestling today, homicide was one of the best little men, they badly need a mic man though, konnan back with LAX would be special

Improved: Rhino has stepped up his game in recent weeks, never a fan of the guy, he sleepwalked his way through his time in WWE. He has had his little ups in the past, hopefully its will be more prolonged this time. When executed properly rhinos gore is one of the most awesome moves in wrestling, the way AJ sold it on one of the impact tapings had you believing he had been broken in two :eek:

Deteriorated: blackdust, he is getting worse by the day :eek:

Special mention: must go to Curryman aka Chris Daniels. he took a big risk bringing this gimmick to the US, a country whose fans chanted boring during Mayweather/Big Show bout at Wrestlemania :mad: The reaction Curryman receives in the Impactzone when his music plays makes you happy to be a wrestling fan again

Fozzy

rossie1977 wrote: »

Overated: have to say i don't get the smarks all loving on tyson tomko. The dude can't talk to save his life and is still incredibly awkward in the ring. Oh but he spent time in Japan so he must be a star now?? No

You've got to see Tomko in Japan! With A-Train of all people. Both guys have improved so much!

rossie1977

Fozzy wrote: »

You've got to see Tomko in Japan! With A-Train of all people. Both guys have improved so much!

saw tomko three times in person in orlando last week, saw him live on numerous occasions during his WWE stint and have to say i see little or no true improvement in the guy.

Bubs101

Best: Christian. TNA have a lot of brilliant performers in the ring but alot of them are similar to others like AJ and Daniels and Kurt and Joe (hides) but I think Christian offers something different and he is great at selling, the best IMO. I was also a massive Edge and Christian fan but I think his mic work is at the top as well. Best all rounder.

Worst: Eric Young. How on Earth they can push him I don't know. He is terrible

Overrated: Eric Young.See above. Also think Joe is very overated, not so much in the ring but I find him devoid of charisma

Underrated: Alot of underated wrestlers in TNA including Rhyno, Team 3D and Scott Steiner but for me Judas Mesias is really underated by fans. I have always been very impressed by him and for a small guy he really pulls the monster character of well. Jim Cornette a close second

Improved: Tomko. By a mile. Think Kaz's improvement is more down to the fact he's finally getting on TV

Deteriorated: Abyss. Agree with Machismo Fan. Never gotten him and never will

rossie1977

Bubs101 wrote: »

Worst: Eric Young. How on Earth they can push him I don't know. He is terrible

Overrated: Eric Young.See above. Also think Joe is very overated, not so much in the ring but I find him devoid of charisma

Underrated: Alot of underated wrestlers in TNA including Rhyno, Team 3D and Scott Steiner but for me Judas Mesias is really underated by fans. I have always been very impressed by him and for a small guy he really pulls the monster character of well. Jim Cornette a close second

Judas Mesias has left the company as of last month.

as far as eric young goes the guy is super-over with the impact crowd especially in his new super-eric role, pushing a guy who is super-over makes sense.

another thing about tomko which i didn't mention is that he doesn't seem to be over in the slightest from what i could make out. AJ was getting face-pops despite being a heel, 3D were getting great heel heat but nothing for tomko, i think tna fans see a guy who tagged on WWE heat with snitsky not that long ago being pushed far too quickly for their liking.

Bubs101

rossie1977 wrote: »

Judas Mesias has left the company as of last month.

as far as eric young goes the guy is super-over with the impact crowd especially in his new super-eric role, pushing a guy who is super-over makes sense.

another thing about tomko which i didn't mention is that he doesn't seem to be over in the slightest from what i could make out. AJ was getting face-pops despite being a heel, 3D were getting great heel heat but nothing for tomko, i think tna fans see a guy who tagged on WWE heat with snitsky not that long ago being pushed far too quickly for their liking.

I stopped watching just before the barbed wire PPV so I'm kind of shocked that Judas has left. I thought he was doing great. Why was he cut?

Eric is still crap regardless of how over he is

rossie1977

apparently he asked for a big pay rise and they let him go, he is back working in mexico. I believe TNA can exercise their option to use him again somewhere down the line if they wish

flahavaj

chopperbyrne wrote: »

I was never unhappy.

Eh who are you?

I wasn't talking to you. You're lack of happiness, or otherwise is a source of complete indifference to me.:D

Fozzy

This is going to be a bit harder than the WWE one

Best: Kurt Angle. He talks a lot of crap, he often looks like an idiot on tv (a self-professed idiot as well), his feuds are usually big muddles and sometimes he has to try to overcome various gimmicks and interferences in his matches, but when he gets it right there are few as good as he is. It frustrates me because he could mean so much more to TNA if used right (which he mostly is at the moment)

Worst: Black Reign I suppose. He had his use back in the day but even in his TNA run before this I felt he was over the hill. No need for him on the show

Overrated: AJ and Petey Williams. AJ is incredibly over with the fans and they just want to cheer the guy, but one of the best in the world? Not even close. There are guys who are better wrestlers than him in the company who don't get the same opportunities for whatever reasons. He's got to be one of the worst on the mic too. I remember at the start of his last heel turn his promos just made me cringe. As for Petey, he's just not a good wrestler. Oh, and Elix Skipper too if he's still around

Underrated: Alex Shelley by far. I suppose Sabin could be lumped in with him, but he's still behind Shelley. Last year these two had a few really good matches in TNA but they didn't get much of an opportunity overall. But they had their best matches in ROH and Japan, working the same style that they do in TNA. All TNA has to do is give them the opportunity. Apparently they were fined this year for refusing to blade on tv, and that resulted in them going missing for the last few minutes of a 6-man tag PPV match with Jay Lethal. These are the sort of guys TNA should be building around

I think you could put Awesome Kong's manager in here too, Cheerleader Melissa. Not a bad wrestler at all but nobody can tell from watching TNA

Improved: Tomko and James Storm. Tomko used to be useless. Now he's a very good wrestler. He plays his role perfectly too. I used to think Storm was the worse half of AMW, but I think I've been proven wrong. He's come on a lot I think

Deteriorated: Robert Roode. I used to really like the guy, he was the real standout in Team Canada, but he doesn't interest me nearly as much now. It's a pity. Abyss got a lot worse when he started relying on the thumbtacks too. He was looking very promising as well a couple of years ago

the flananator

Best: Kurt Angle. Its easy to **** all over him with some of the material he's been given in TNA, but as Fozzy has said, when he's used right, theres no one better. Everyone has their own favorite, but Kurt is the best wrestler ever as far as in-ring ability goes, character diversity,getting good matches out of broom-sticks, being unselfish with rookies, etc. He's the reason I watch TNA. The mans fantastic.

Worst: Black Reign. The guy was one of the most promising wrestlers in the world 12 years ago, and was set for a major push in 1996 when he arrived in the WWF. Then they took a risk and gave him the Goldust gimmick, and his main event aspirations were crushed forever. Today, he is the verifyable career-killer; Chris Harris was red-hot in TNA last year, then he was placed in a feud with Reign and his momentum was obliterated. Kaz was moving into the main event earlier this year, but then began his saga with Reign. He is now in a comedy tag team with a man named "Super Eric". Dustin Rhodes could have much to offer back-stage, and though he's not actually a bad worker, his time is gone.

Underated: Kaz. The guy has the ability and looks to become the Rob Van Dam of TNA, only better as he's much crisper in the ring. The "charmer" gimmick he had last year while he was feuding with Robert Roode (and Traci Brooks was smitten with Kaz) should be used again, perhaps with Karen Angle?

Overated: ODB. She's not just another pretty face alright. Her 3 way at Destination X aside, she hasn't shown me much in the ring, and although she's "different", I still don't consider her in the same league as Kong or Kim. She's not bad,but I just don'tget how over she is.

Improved: Robert Roode. Gone is the bleak feud with Eric Young, and arrived is the exciting feud with Booker T. Probably the second best heel in TNA, he has a promising future in TNA.

Deteriorated: Abyss. Was accepted as a main eventer in his feud with Sting two years ago, and was generally accepted as one of the best big-men workers in the world. Now he's just pants. Wait, didn't his feud with Black Reign have some thing to do with him getting predictable and cliched? Oh dear...

Vince135792003

the flananator wrote: »

Then they took a risk and gave him the Goldust gimmick, and his main event aspirations were crushed forever.

Not wanting to hijack the thread but I really disagree. At the time, that was a great gimmick (from 95 to 97) that was really over. He was in some big feuds at his peak and I don't think the gimmick was the reason why he never achieved a main event position.

The mistake to me was turning him into a good guy, even though he was still quite popular. Look at his wikipedia page, it amazed me that he's only 38 just because it feels like he's been around forever.

Bubs101

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Not wanting to hijack the thread but I really disagree. At the time, that was a great gimmick (from 95 to 97) that was really over. He was in some big feuds at his peak and I don't think the gimmick was the reason why he never achieved a main event position.

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Although I love Goldust I don't think that a gimmick like his was ever main event material. he was brilliant commick relief but could you imagine him with the heavyweight belt?

EdK

There was a time when he was more sinister than comical but no I couldn't picture him as champ

Cactus Col

Watched last weeks Impact ... and have to say ... ODB is the most annoying person I've heard. She was giving a promo along with another girl about a tag match they were having with awesome kong at lockdown.

It's clear that she can't talk to save her life. The accent just grated. Going on about being ugly, when she obviously isn't. Horrible promo.

Gerard.C

Cactus Col wrote: »

Watched last weeks Impact ... and have to say ... ODB is the most annoying person I've heard.

So, you've never heard of Don West then, no?

Vince135792003

Bubs101 wrote: »

Although I love Goldust I don't think that a gimmick like his was ever main event material. he was brilliant commick relief but could you imagine him with the heavyweight belt?

He wasn't commick relieve in his first run. Were you watching back then?

He was a weirdo character who had feuds with top tier guys like Scot Hall and 'Taker. Also bare in mind at that time (95 to 97) the WWF was arguably at it's weakest in terms of star power and Goldust was a fresh character that clicked immediately.

Bubs101

Vince135792003 wrote: »

He wasn't commick relieve in his first run. Were you watching back then?

He was a weirdo character who had feuds with top tier guys like Scot Hall and 'Taker. Also bare in mind at that time (95 to 97) the WWF was arguably at it's weakest in terms of star power and Goldust was a fresh character that clicked immediately.

97 was when I started but I certainly would have missed his feud with Hall. I still think though that having the belt on somebody who looked like that is a bit much. His finisher was just kicking someone in the balls

EdK

Bubs101 wrote: »

97 was when I started but I certainly would have missed his feud with Hall. I still think though that having the belt on somebody who looked like that is a bit much. His finisher was just kicking someone in the balls

And.........hehe?

Vince135792003

Bubs101 wrote: »

97 was when I started but I certainly would have missed his feud with Hall. I still think though that having the belt on somebody who looked like that is a bit much. His finisher was just kicking someone in the balls

Well then you missed the whole part of his run where he was more over as a heel than he ever would be again. I'm not saying he could have been Hulk Hogan but he was a really good and important act for that period, a period when really good acts in the WWE wasn't common.

His finisher was not a kick to the balls back then either. It was the curtain call.

Bubs101

Shattered Dreams was certainly a second finisher at the very least

Vince135792003

Bubs101 wrote: »

Shattered Dreams was certainly a second finisher at the very least

One more time as if it matters, he did not use that as a finisher initially. You'll have to take my word on it considering you weren't watching for the first 2 years of his run.

Fozzy

Shattered Dreams was a better move than the People's Elbow or the Five Knuckle Shuffle anyway

Gerard.C

Fozzy wrote: »

Shattered Dreams was a better move than the People's Elbow or the Five Knuckle Shuffle anyway

What about the LEGDROP OF DOOOOOM~!

Tilde bang just for you Fozzy