Cellulite - Grrrrrrr!

Solarball10

Anyone know of the best exercises/methods to cure this?

topper75

Jogging - every second day - conversational pace (don't get out of breath) - 30-40 mins per session. Cellulite should be gone within 3-4 months max.

If impact becomes a problem for knees or whatever - change to bike. Same duration, same frequency.

Malteaser!

Squats and lunges are great for cellulite and for firming up any of those wobbly bits around your bum and legs.

g'em

ozzyoh wrote: »

Anyone know of the best exercises/methods to cure this?

Change your diet and lose some subcutaenous fat.

Cellulite is the uneven distribution of fat cells underneath the skin which gives an "orange-peel" quality to the skin's surface:



There's no "cure" for cellulite, some women are just prone to it. Increasing water intake, cutting caffeine, increasing your fibre intake and cutting out junk food will go a long way towards helping, and body-brushing, daily exfoliation and regular excercise to increase blood flow to the problem area should help too.

Resistance training (like doing squats and lunges as mentioned) will help tighten the skin by increasing lean muscle mass underneath it and shedding fat which makes it a lot less likely that you'll have bumpy cellulite-ridden legs.

Solarball10

Malteaser! wrote: »

Squats and lunges are great for cellulite and for firming up any of those wobbly bits around your bum and legs.

Hi Malteaser, yeah I saw that before....any idea how many I would need to do every day?

topper75

I think g'em places too much emphasis on diet. Caffeine? Doubt it.

One clue would be that none of the girls in our running club suffer from it. Could also be a coincidence of course.

It is indeed a fat distribution problem but these are never sorted by focusing an exercise on that specific region (e.g. situps don't burn off a gut).

General fat-burning does the job. So a good cardiovascular exercise like running or cycling teaches your body to use fat (rather than carb) as it's principle fuel source.

CerebralCortex

topper75 wrote: »

I think g'em places too much emphasis on diet...

Diet is very important, not sure I or g'em are going to agree with you on that.

g'em

I had a smart-arse answer written out... but I'd have to ban myself from the forum if I posted it.

I can assure you topper75 that I'm not placing too much emphasis on diet where cellulite is concerned. Unfortunately cellulite is not something that is confined to overweight people but is more to do with how fat is distributed around the body (even skinny people can have high body fat). Neither diet nor exercise alone will solve the cellulite problem and for pure-fat buring weight training will beat cardio any day of the week.

Jimmy Bottlehead

topper75 wrote: »

I think g'em places too much emphasis on diet. Caffeine? Doubt it.

One clue would be that none of the girls in our running club suffer from it. Could also be a coincidence of course.

It is indeed a fat distribution problem but these are never sorted by focusing an exercise on that specific region (e.g. situps don't burn off a gut).

General fat-burning does the job. So a good cardiovascular exercise like running or cycling teaches your body to use fat (rather than carb) as it's principle fuel source.

g'em wrote: »

I had a smart-arse answer written out... but I'd have to ban myself from the forum if I posted it.

I can assure you topper75 that I'm not placing too much emphasis on diet where cellulite is concerned. Unfortunately cellulite is not something that is confined to overweight people but is more to do with how fat is distributed around the body (even skinny people can have high body fat). Neither diet nor exercise alone will solve the cellulite problem and for pure-fat buring weight training will beat cardio any day of the week.

Burrrnnned

heavyheart

nivea bye bye cellulite cream ... no squats required

siochain

I remember reading some where before that Lecithin Granules are supposed to help as it contains Phosphatidylcholine & Phosphatidylinositol. Could be a myth ....

either way Lecithin Granules and b complex are a great addition to any diet as the help lower your homocysteine levels. Don't have time to dig out studies right now...

celestial

topper75 wrote: »

I think g'em places too much emphasis on diet. Caffeine? Doubt it.

One clue would be that none of the girls in our running club suffer from it. Could also be a coincidence of course.

It is indeed a fat distribution problem but these are never sorted by focusing an exercise on that specific region (e.g. situps don't burn off a gut).

General fat-burning does the job. So a good cardiovascular exercise like running or cycling teaches your body to use fat (rather than carb) as it's principle fuel source.

Not that I know the first thing about cellulite - but I don't believe cardio 'teaches' your body to use fat as its primary fuel - if you mean during low-moderate intensity cardio then sure, but at other times...mmm no, if anything it's the opposite.

g'em

siochain wrote: »

I remember reading some where before that Lecithin Granules are supposed to help as it contains Phosphatidylcholine & Phosphatidylinositol. Could be a myth ...

I'd never heard that before and a quick search tells me that lecithin supposedly aids mobilisation of fat, and is found naturally in lecithin rich foods such as egg yolk, soybeans, grains, wheat germ, fish, legumes, yeast, and peanuts; as for scientific evidence of these claims, unfortunately that seems to be a little more sparse - siochain if you have a paper that supports it I'd love to see it?

* Jin Huang, Dandan Yang, Shudong Gao and Tian Wang (In Press, Feb 2008) Effects of soy-lecithin on lipid metabolism and hepatic expression of lipogenic genes in broiler chickensLivestock Science. Livestock Science:
Soy lecithin had no effect on fat mobilisation in chickens

hunnymonster

topper75 wrote: »

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One clue would be that none of the girls in our running club suffer from it. Could also be a coincidence of course.

It is. 120 miles a week didn't get rid of it for me but squats did.

topper75

g'em wrote: »

I had a smart-arse answer written out... but I'd have to ban myself from the forum if I posted it.

I can assure you topper75 that I'm not placing too much emphasis on diet where cellulite is concerned. Unfortunately cellulite is not something that is confined to overweight people but is more to do with how fat is distributed around the body (even skinny people can have high body fat). Neither diet nor exercise alone will solve the cellulite problem and for pure-fat buring weight training will beat cardio any day of the week.

Ok so you hate me g'em! Let's continue to discuss the issue though for the benefit of OP and others with same predicament. I hear this myth a lot. Not enought to start believing it though! Check this out .... http://hubpages.com/hub/CardiovsStrengthTrainingWhichburnsmorefat

celestial wrote: »

Not that I know the first thing about cellulite - but I don't believe cardio 'teaches' your body to use fat as its primary fuel - if you mean during low-moderate intensity cardio then sure, but at other times...mmm no, if anything it's the opposite.

Doctor in the states gave me in depth explanation on this which was too heavy on the science for me to remember. I might ask him for an electronic paper when I see him next and post here. Essentially people involved in extended-duration low to moderate intensity cardio activities on a regular basis have a different resting fuel composition to those with a sedentary lifestyle ie. their metabolism at rest uses more fat and less carbo. That is what I meant by 'teaching' the body but in hindsight - yes teach was a poor verb.

hunnymonster wrote: »

It is. 120 miles a week didn't get rid of it for me but squats did.

120 miles a week is savage if you are telling the truth. When were you doing this mileage? What were you training for? Who did you train with? Sorry about the scepticism, but this training volume is consistent with a professsional athlete and I am gobsmacked at the idea of a pro athlete retaining cellulite like this. Really interested to hear more.

hunnymonster

120 miles a week is savage if you are telling the truth. When were you doing this mileage? What were you training for? Who did you train with? Sorry about the scepticism, but this training volume is consistent with a professsional athlete and I am gobsmacked at the idea of a pro athlete retaining cellulite like this. Really interested to hear more.

Have done that kind of mileage several times for different events. Most recently Tring2Town 80 mile ultramarathon (which I won btw!) The training is consistent with a serious athlete not necessarily a pro athlete. I train on my own.

hunnymonster

topper75 wrote: »

Doctor in the states gave me in depth explanation on this which was too heavy on the science for me to remember. I might ask him for an electronic paper when I see him next and post here. Essentially people involved in extended-duration low to moderate intensity cardio activities on a regular basis have a different resting fuel composition to those with a sedentary lifestyle ie. their metabolism at rest uses more fat and less carbo. That is what I meant by 'teaching' the body but in hindsight - yes teach was a poor verb.

It would be more useful to the the comparisons between all the different types of groups, for example
- sedentary
- low to moderate cardio
- high cardio (and I suspect the HIIT people will will this one!)
- lifters
(have I missed anyone?)

g'em

topper75 wrote: »

Ok so you hate me g'em!

topper75 wrote:

Let's continue to discuss the issue though for the benefit of OP and others with same predicament. I hear this myth a lot. Not enought to start believing it though! Check this out .... http://hubpages.com/hub/CardiovsStrengthTrainingWhichburnsmorefat

Using weight-training to burn fat is a myth? Wow.

The figures provided in the unsubstantiated, unreferenced internet page you provided are comparing and contrasting real time calorie burning. That's mistake number one. Weight training increases lean muscle mass in your body; lean mass burns more calories throughout the day - as an active tissue it literally requires energy to stay alive - and therefore the higher your lean boyd mass is, the more energy (calories) you require to maintain your metabolic rate. Strength training is simply the best way to increase your metabolism, burn fat and sustain long term weight loss. Cardio is important, but not nearly as important as most people believe. If you like to run, knock yourself out; but if you run, and don't lift, in the belief that it is superior for fat-loss, then you're really quite mistaken. Resistance training improves posture, increases strength, reduces the risks of osteoporosis, increases your resting metabolic rate.. the list of benefits is endless.

If you want to talk about runner and fat loss - which of these two 'runners' has higher bodyfat?



ok, so perhaps the photo on the left is photoshopped to fcuk but sompare the physique of a sprinter to an endurance runner and the efect is still the same.

topper75 wrote:

120 miles a week is savage if you are telling the truth. When were you doing this mileage? What were you training for? Who did you train with? .

hunnymonster is a triathlete, marathon runner and ironman competitor. They don't get much more hardcore than her. And as much as I can understand your skepticism (this is teh intarweb after all) I can assure you that she's telling the truth. In fact I'd be wary of calling out too many people on the forum tbh...

P.S. Good job winning your event hunnymonster

topper75

g'em wrote: »

Using weight-training to burn fat is a myth? Wow.

hunnymonster is a triathlete, marathon runner and ironman competitor. They don't get much more hardcore than her. And as much as I can understand your skepticism (this is teh intarweb after all) I can assure you that she's telling the truth. In fact I'd be wary of calling out too many people on the forum tbh...

You admitted just about resisting tempation to post a response that would get you banned from the forum. Maybe you don't have a personal grudge. Doesn't matter.

I didn't say weight-training won't burn fat, rather that it is nowhere near effective as cardio if fat-burning is your goal.

OK - so you know hunnymonster - I don't. That isn't the issue. She sounds like a quite a sportswoman but I completely refuse to believe she had cellulite probs covering almost 5 marathons worth of mileage a week. Of course I accept she has no way of proving this to me.

I don't have body fat or cellulite issues but feel strongly that running is a key method of tackling this for those people who do. I feel a lot of misinformation about diet and exercise is flying about in recent years. Gyms need customers. I run extensively and have yet to see a keen female runner with a cellulite issue. If you think this is co-incidence, fine.

g'em

topper75 wrote: »

You admitted just about resisting tempation to post a response that would get you banned from the forum. Maybe you don't have a personal grudge. Doesn't matter.

I don't know you (do I?!) so I definitely don't have a personal grudge. It irks me slightly when people dismiss the importance of diet, that's all.

topper75 wrote:

I didn't say weight-training won't burn fat, rather that it is nowhere near effective as cardio if fat-burning is your goal.

I'll still disagree. To lose fat efficiently, effectively, for a long time: 1. eat well 2. eat well 3. lift weights 4. do cardio

topper75 wrote:

I don't have body fat or cellulite issues but feel strongly that running is a key method of tackling this for those people who do.

Have you ever tried any other methods? Or is it simply that you have no cellulite and you run therefore running must prevent you from getting cellulite?

topper75 wrote:

I feel a lot of misinformation about diet and exercise is flying about in recent years.

Absolutely. The link you posted is a prime example. Show me actual studies discussing how cardio is better for fat loss and I might give the idea some credence. If you'd like some papers discussing the promotion of BMR and EPOC through resistance training just let me know.

topper75 wrote:

I run extensively and have yet to see a keen female runner with a cellulite issue. If you think this is co-incidence, fine.

Exercise is wonderful, no-one's denying that. But I think that claiming running is the primary reason for women not to get cellulite and they should use it as their first port of call to combat orange peel is a bit silly. Your diet still comes #1 on that priority list.

celestial

topper75 wrote: »

You admitted just about resisting tempation to post a response that would get you banned from the forum. Maybe you don't have a personal grudge. Doesn't matter.

I didn't say weight-training won't burn fat, rather that it is nowhere near effective as cardio if fat-burning is your goal.

OK - so you know hunnymonster - I don't. That isn't the issue. She sounds like a quite a sportswoman but I completely refuse to believe she had cellulite probs covering almost 5 marathons worth of mileage a week. Of course I accept she has no way of proving this to me.

I don't have body fat or cellulite issues but feel strongly that running is a key method of tackling this for those people who do. I feel a lot of misinformation about diet and exercise is flying about in recent years. Gyms need customers. I run extensively and have yet to see a keen female runner with a cellulite issue. If you think this is co-incidence, fine.

Where are you getting this from exactly?

Out of interest, bodybuilders have among the lowest levels of body fat of any athletes on earth. They tend not to spend an hour on the treadmill each day:) How do you explain their exceptionally low bf levels (and forget about the drug-taking ones)?

hunnymonster

topper75 wrote: »

OK - so you know hunnymonster - I don't. That isn't the issue. She sounds like a quite a sportswoman but I completely refuse to believe she had cellulite probs covering almost 5 marathons worth of mileage a week. Of course I accept she has no way of proving this to me.

Actually it just so happens that I could prove it, g'em took the pictures We used to work in the same place and she kindly offered to take some "before" pictures when I started to do weights. Before this I was just running, cycling and swimming. I initially started to consider weights because I wasn't loosing weight will all the cardio. I wanted stronger arms to help with my swimming and the loss of cellulite was just an added bonus.

If you want proof of the mileages, go talk to Amadeus (on the marathon/triathlon thread). He has followed the kind of training I do since mid 2005.

Macha

Hunnymonster - did weighttraining really help get rid of your cellulite, and if so what sort of diet were you following at the time? I want details!!

hunnymonster

yes, the weights I started were walking lunges, squats, deadlifts. Heavy for me is still 80kgs for the squat (I'm about 60-62 kgs) but that is heavy enough that I die after 10 of them. Also, I don't do the very deep squats that the lifters here do. A little below horizontal is as far as I go. I was very consistent about it though. 3 times a week.

Diet was cleaned up a bit, more regular small meals rather than a single gorge late at night. I cut out cured meats and included more veggies but kept the bread and pasta which some people cannot tolerate. I still eat too much chocolate which is my most major downfall but I'm continually chipping away at my bad habits. My BF% is still relatively high unfortunately.

I guess the real test was in the run up to ironman florida last year. Because of the sheer volume of training in preparation for an ironman I cut down on the weights. My diet had never been healthier but a small amount of cellulite came back when my legs and bum got smaller. It could be that it was always there but when squashed into smaller area became more visable. BF% went down at that stage also.

good diet + cardio + weghts = no cellulite
cardio + weights = no cellulite
good diet + cardio = some cellulite
cardio alone = lots of cellulite
only the combinations with weights result in no visible cellulite. This may not apply for everyone. Endurance athletes are like the picture above, funny looking!

Macha

Great, thanks for all that info. When you say cardio - were you doing HIIT, LIT?? I assume a lot of LIT.

topper75

hunnymonster wrote: »

We used to work in the same place and she kindly offered to take some "before" pictures when I started to do weights. I wasn't loosing weight will all the cardio.

All credit to 'before' pictures but we would have no idea when they were taken so they could never prove anything. So, you were swimming, cycling and running and not losing weight???!!!!

Do you guys run a weights gym or something? Weight-loss has turned into an industry. It's possible to make money from people through diet books and gym membership. However, my point is that the emperor has go no clothes. If you get out in shorts and trainers on a regular basis, you can obtain a healthy body shape in time. And of course keep your money in your own pocket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_reduction

g'em

topper75 wrote: »

All credit to 'before' pictures but we would have no idea when they were taken so they could never prove anything. So, you were swimming, cycling and running and not losing weight???!!!!

You really are cynical... the date of the picture is recorded when the photo is taken. And other than that you only have my own and hm's word to go by. Stick around the forum for a while and you may actually realise we're two decent people with nothing to gain by helping other people out, so we've really got no reason at all to lie about this.

topper75 wrote:

Do you guys run a weights gym or something?

No, we jsut used to train in the same gym. You'll find that there's been a lot of friendships and training partnerships forged on this board, it's a really, really lovely community.

topper75 wrote:

If you get out in shorts and trainers on a regular basis, you can obtain a healthy body shape in time. And of course keep your money in your own pocket.

There's no-one denying that, merely saying that there's better ways of going about it.

topper75 wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_reduction

who mentioned spot reduction? If you're referring to getting rid of cellulite then no-one advocated spot-reducing that either. Weight training and diet and cardio will reduce bodyfat all over, thereby helping to eliminate cellulite.

RacoonQueen

No one has said they spot reduced.

hunnymonster

taconnol wrote: »

Great, thanks for all that info. When you say cardio - were you doing HIIT, LIT?? I assume a lot of LIT.

No, I would love to do HIIT but I'm a whimp and it's too hard! Typically my long sessions are
3 hours running HR 145
7 hours cycling HR 135
2.5 hrs swimming HR 130 (with wild fluctuations in openwater when I see Jellyfish!!)

For example in the run up to a triathlon, I would do 14 sessions a week with at least one rest day.
4 runs - 1 long, one moderate, one speed (say 10x400m) and one in part of brick
4 cycles - 1 long, 2 moderate (on with brick), 1 technique
4 swims - 2 long, 2 technique
1 yoga class and 1 weights session.



The weights I typically did* were
walking lunges
squats
deadlifts
calf raises

latt pull down
pull ups
dips
push ups
military press

and a couple of others, pretty standard stuff.






*I say did, because I'm very ill with pulmonory sarcoidosis at the moment and not doing a lot of anything.

siochain

hunnymonster wrote: »

yes, the weights I started were walking lunges, squats, deadlifts. Heavy for me is still 80kgs for the squat (I'm about 60-62 kgs) but that is heavy enough that I die after 10 of them.

For your body weight thats a good weight to be hauling.

Sorry but i love hearing real results from real people as opposed to something out of a mag. So if ya have any details on the how the weight training benefited your sports send it on,

Cheers

mack1

hunnymonster wrote: »

No, I would love to do HIIT but I'm a whimp and it's too hard! Typically my long sessions are
3 hours running HR 145
7 hours cycling HR 135
2.5 hrs swimming HR 130 (with wild fluctuations in openwater when I see Jellyfish!!)

For example in the run up to a triathlon, I would do 14 sessions a week with at least one rest day.
4 runs - 1 long, one moderate, one speed (say 10x400m) and one in part of brick
4 cycles - 1 long, 2 moderate (on with brick), 1 technique
4 swims - 2 long, 2 technique
1 yoga class and 1 weights session.

Yes wimp is what comes to mind alright! :rolleyes:

g'em

mack1 wrote: »

Yes wimp is what comes to mind alright! :rolleyes:

lol that's what I thought!!! :pac:

topper75

g'em wrote: »

You really are cynical... the date of the picture is recorded when the photo is taken. And other than that you only have my own and hm's word to go by. Stick around the forum for a while and you may actually realise we're two decent people with nothing to gain by helping other people out, so we've really got no reason at all to lie about this.

I totally accept your bona fide wish to help the OP. I am sorry to come across as cynical but I also want to assist people out there and feel there is too much 'orthorexia' associated with weight loss. It is good to eat well but not a cure-all in itself e.g. cutting back caffeine. I am also incredulous that savage cardio training that was outlined above was not helping to burn fat.

Jimmy Bottlehead

topper75 wrote: »

I totally accept your bona fide wish to help the OP. I am sorry to come across as cynical but I also want to assist people out there and feel there is too much 'orthorexia' associated with weight loss. It is good to eat well but not a cure-all in itself e.g. cutting back caffeine. I am also incredulous that savage cardio training that was outlined above was not helping to burn fat.

No-one said it was a cure-all in itself - but for most people, getting the diet in order is 75% of the battle. For me, if I eat well and workout, I get bigger. if I don't eat well and workout, I remain the same. Diet is the key IMO for most regular people.

g'em

topper75 wrote: »

I totally accept your bona fide wish to help the OP. I am sorry to come across as cynical but I also want to assist people out there and feel there is too much 'orthorexia' associated with weight loss.

How on earth can you associate orthorexia with what I wrote? Frankly I take serious umbrage with that. You're taking my posts and twisting them and it's beginning to try my patience.

topper75 wrote:

I am also incredulous that savage cardio training that was outlined above was not helping to burn fat.

Once again, no-one is saying cardio doesn't help, it's one of a combination of multiple factors which help you reach the goal.

Macha

^^ Ditto, plus any cardio will help but its about which type of training will bring the results that people want. I personally don't have enough time to cycle for 7 hours, without it impacting on my social life (and I don't mean going out on the lash every night), so I wat to ensure that my training is the most effective possible.

CerebralCortex

g'em wrote: »

How on earth can you associate orthorexia with what I wrote? Frankly I take serious umbrage with that. You're taking my posts and twisting them and it's beginning to try my patience.


Once again, no-one is saying cardio doesn't help, it's one of a combination of multiple factors which help you reach the goal.

Orthorexia! Just read about it there, and it claims that you suffer if you don't eat what you like in the name of health, but that is kind of illogical if you enjoy eating for your health. By the definition I'm orthorexic just because I care about how I choose to feed my body.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20001117/orthorexia-good-diets-gone-bad

Just an fyi.

topper75

topper75 wrote: »

Jogging - every second day - conversational pace (don't get out of breath) - 30-40 mins per session. Cellulite should be gone within 3-4 months max.

If impact becomes a problem for knees or whatever - change to bike. Same duration, same frequency.

Note, my original suggestion didn't require 7 hrs cycling or indeed anything that might impact significantly on one's social life.

hunnymonster wrote: »

I initially started to consider weights because I wasn't loosing weight will all the cardio.

No-one was saying cardio doesn't help? see above.

g'em wrote: »

Change your diet and lose some subcutaenous fat.

There's no "cure" for cellulite, some women are just prone to it. Increasing water intake, cutting caffeine, increasing your fibre intake and cutting out junk food will go a long way towards helping

This is the orthorexia. Junk food now and then is fine and I drink plenty of coffee. You needn't be obsessed with diet.

taconnol wrote: »

I personally don't have enough time to cycle for 7 hours, without it impacting on my social life

See original suggestion above.

I have lost patience with this and it doesn't look like either of us will convince the other of our opposing view. I will just summarise my views saying -

- don't focus too much on diet, life is too short! burning calories rather than limiting them is what is important
- cellulite is a fat distribution issue
- regular cardio will achieve significant and sustainable weight loss within a few months (max six but depends on person)
- weights burn calories but you cannot target fatburn in a specific area.
- it is not possible to perform a significant level of cardio training and at the same time not burn fat or lose body weight
- I have never seen cellulite on the thighs of any of the several dozen girls I train and race with and believe this to be a lot more than coincidence

g'em

CerebralCortex wrote: »

By the definition I'm orthorexic just because I care about how I choose to feed my body.

Not quite - orthorexia deals with an obsession with health food and those dealing with it will not let anything at all that they would deem unhealthy past their lips.

Judging by the empty Easter egg boxes in my kitchen right now I can assure you that it's something I don't suffer from myself

Wanting to eat healthily is one thing, but to extricate a serious disorder like orthorexia from a piece of advice that says "eat well" is ott imo.

CerebralCortex

topper75 wrote: »

- don't focus too much on diet, life is too short! burning calories rather than limiting them is what is important

So you're saying nutrition isn't important? Even if you enjoy nutrition? Diet doesn't and shouldn't imply a deficit of calories I always believed diet to be simply a word meaning what you eat. I try to eat as much food as I can and as varied as possible but also nutritious i.e. serves a purpose. I also on occasion eat "junk food" but I get very little satisfaction from it and you know life is too short . Apparently from the link I posted above the guy who coined the phrase orthorexia has done very few/no studies to back up his theory and that the bigger problem is those who care too little about what they eat.

diet - the usual food and drink consumed by an organism (person or animal)

smashey

topper75 wrote: »

I totally accept your bona fide wish to help the OP. I am sorry to come across as cynical but I also want to assist people out there and feel there is too much 'orthorexia' associated with weight loss. It is good to eat well but not a cure-all in itself e.g. cutting back caffeine. I am also incredulous that savage cardio training that was outlined above was not helping to burn fat.

Cynical and incredulous? Welcome to my world.

Now, I have read this and maybe you should hust take a wee break, take a deep breath and try again later.

Dragan

topper75 wrote: »

I have lost patience with this and it doesn't look like either of us will convince the other of our opposing view.

Hey there, i am one of the Moderators of this Forum and would just like to point out that it is not about "convincing" anyone of anything.

What you do works for you, it perfectly fine for you to recommend that to other people but it is also perfectly fine for them to put their own opinion out there.

This is a discussion, not a competition to see who is right. Fitness and the human body are too complicated to assume that the same thing works for everyone.

Personally i have had excellent results reducing adipose through weights, while i had poor results through lots of cardio.

Now then, it is important to realise that as bodies are different so are minds. I am a more lifting orientated guy, that is my mentality so i was more than likely always going to put more into a weights workout than a cardio one, this maybe a reason why i saw my results improve with weights.

Likewise remember everyone is different, for me the most important aspect of anyone fitness routine is that they can enjoy it. This will help them put in more effort and keep returning again and again.

Finally, if you can lose patience after a few simple questions in a short thread then perhaps this forum is not the place for you. We are an inquisitive bunch and truth be told as probably guilty of some over analysis and asking too many questions.

Now then, my thoughts on your thoughts i guess?


- don't focus too much on diet, life is too short! burning calories rather than limiting them is what is important

I agree with you to a point, as most people would, but depending on your goals and training you should have at least some small dietary targets that you try and reach each day, be it extra carbs on training day, more protein if you want to improve lean muscle mass and so forth.

Also, if you are overly excessive in your eating you need to be honest with yourself. I don't know that many people who can train there way out of 2000 calorie a day surplus. At least a quick glance at your diet in an honest fashion every now and then never hurts.




- cellulite is a fat distribution issue

Yes it is. I think a few people have said this.

- regular cardio will achieve significant and sustainable weight loss within a few months (max six but depends on person)

Very true, but once again i would hark back to paying some cursory detail to your diet. If your not eating to recover from your work then you are unlikely to be able to work. If you are pointlessly eating calories you don't need then it will impact your results. As i said, nothing wrong with a brief honest look at how you eat every now and then.



- weights burn calories but you cannot target fatburn in a specific area.

You can't do this with cardio either.


- it is not possible to perform a significant level of cardio training and at the same time not burn fat or lose body weight

Of course it is. If you eat like crazy, no matter what your training or activity levels are you can steal be in a calorie surplus that will result in weight gain. I feel the above is over simplying ever so slightly.

- I have never seen cellulite on the thighs of any of the several dozen girls I train and race with and believe this to be a lot more than coincidence

This is really more of an observation. The fact that you guys train and race leads me to believe that you are serious runners and do some serious training. I also bet you have a stronger knolwedge of nutrition than others and despite your own "don't worry about diet" philosophy i bet you still make some effort to eat relatively healthy on a daily basis? Would like it if you could give an example of how you and your training group might eat?

Finally, lets keep things polite going ahead and not assume anything about anyone else based off their posts. Especially lets stay away from assuming anybody has any kind of "exia" because i will ban folk for making unfounded psychological diagnoses the same as i would for physical ones.

Peace

- Dragan, Fitness Forum Moderator.

Macha

topper75 wrote: »

I have lost patience with this and it doesn't look like either of us will convince the other of our opposing view. I will just summarise my views saying -

- don't focus too much on diet, life is too short! burning calories rather than limiting them is what is important
- cellulite is a fat distribution issue
- regular cardio will achieve significant and sustainable weight loss within a few months (max six but depends on person)
- weights burn calories but you cannot target fatburn in a specific area.
- it is not possible to perform a significant level of cardio training and at the same time not burn fat or lose body weight
- I have never seen cellulite on the thighs of any of the several dozen girls I train and race with and believe this to be a lot more than coincidence

Lost your patience? a tad on the condescending side. Look speaking for myself, I tried the whole run for 45 mins every other day, run for 60mins on Sunday, 3 weights sessions a week, relax on the diet thing, I put on 5kgs.

I was 5kg lighter when I was keeping my calories under 2000 and doing 3 HIIT sessions & 3 x 90mins weight sessions a week and NO LIT.

It is totally possible to perform a significant level of cardio training and at the same time not burn fat or lose body weight!! It's called 'exercising the fat' and millions of people do it every day by not watching their diet. They're going around in circles.

People with low body fat can get cellulite. Sorry mate but it is pure coincidence. I don't think anecdotal evidence would hold up in a lscientific study.