Change to Junior Cup this year?

ShriekingSheet

I hear that Junior Cup this year will have a strokes qualifying round before the matchplay starts???


What a load of crap.


Sure, it was time consuming and awkward with all the matches going off on the 1st and some coming back and getting in the way to play 19 but it's the Junior Cup!! That's just part of it!

Mister Sifter

What's this then shriek?? Never heard of the Junior Cup before.

ShriekingSheet

Eh?

Junior Cup?

As in, Senior Cup, Junior Cup, Barton Cup, Barton Shield? It's a major matchplay interclub thing for h'caps no lower than 5.

C

Mister Sifter

Yep, never heard of it. I'm fairly new to golf in these parts!

How do you enter and a link to any details?

ShriekingSheet

Seems to be the 8th biggest national championship. Your club enter a team (99% of clubs enter) of 5 players off 5 or as close to that as possible.

A selector should be nominated by the comittee to pick the team. Usually a sheet is put up on the notice board for players interested to sign up. Some clubs prepare rigorously with practice matches, coaching and get-togethers but others just pick the team.

It used to be that all clubs in a given district would be on the same course on the same day and play 5 v 5 singles matches with the next round in the afternoon if you won and round three the day after etc. Then there'd be a location the week after for later rounds and so forth.

NOW HOWEVER, I've heard that the teams of 5 will now play strokes initially to qualify to play in the matchplay stage. Obviously, less matches mean less hassle (going down 19 when there's a match on the 1st etc) but still, it's not a good change IMO.


National Championships
01. Irish Amateur Close Championship

02. Irish Amateur Open Championship

03. Irish Youths Amateur Open Championship

04. Irish Boys Amateur Close Championship

05. Irish Seniors Amateur Open Championship

06. Cups and Shields - Senior Cup

07. Cups and Shields - Barton Shield

08. Cups and Shields - Junior Cup

09. Cups and Shields - Jimmy Bruen Shield

10. Cups and Shields - Pierce Purcell Shield

11. Order of Merit Awards

12. Interprovincial Championship

Matt Santos

Have heard of this before. I think the reason is to whittle down an uneven number down to say 8. This allows for quarters/semis/finals.
Say there were 11 Club teams, they run the stroke play to knock out the three worst teams. This is to stop one team either having an extra round that can be seen as an advantage on some tricky courses or a disadvantage on some of the more longer treks.
It is usually as a result of two or more of the teams not agreeing to the format.

M

f22

Bunch of arse if you asked me. Matchplay is a different mindset completely.

I know for fact that my club will field a far different team in qualifying to matchplay stages.

I've seen it over the years, little whipper snappers who spend all day every day on course, flying down the handicap scale, cacking themselves when the pressure is applied. On the opposite end of the scale , the wiley old dogs whose glory days are over, bustling fellas on course and using every mind tactic in the book to gain an advantage and win.

It's all great craic and I love it.

ShriekingSheet

Agreed.

I have only ever been an absolutely average stroke player and was nothing more than a journey man at boys and youths level. But at matchplay, be it internal club stuff or interclub I have a great record that I'm really proud of.

And now they've made a change to make the thing easier to organise? Twats.

Matt Santos

I agree that it is a bunch of bollix but thats what the "suits" come up with!
The other side of the coin is that if you are a decent side you should have nothing to fear of the stroke round. It also stops the whipping that some clubs can give to the smaller clubs.
If we were good enough to get to the final I would be happy only playing three rounds of Matchplay in fairness.....

ShriekingSheet

Matt Santos wrote: »

I agree that it is a bunch of bollix but thats what the "suits" come up with!
The other side of the coin is that if you are a decent side you should have nothing to fear of the stroke round. It also stops the whipping that some clubs can give to the smaller clubs.
If we were good enough to get to the final I would be happy only playing three rounds of Matchplay in fairness.....

You're missing the point.

The good guys in these fields will already play strokes against each other probably bi-monthly for the summer in Junior Scratch Cups. Junior Cup is the one chance to just have it out in a match and they're cutting down on the match-play element.

It's nonsense.

GreeBo

Pierce Purcell was changed the same way about 3 years ago..
It makes it much harder to qualify...

ShriekingSheet

GreeBo wrote: »

Pierce Purcell was changed the same way about 3 years ago..
It makes it much harder to qualify...

Hmmm, i've never played in it but was it not always that way?
Or was the change made more like 6 or 7 years ago? But I always thought there was strokes qualifyinig there.

See that's less of a bad thing because it presents the fairly unique challenge of foursome stroke play and then foursome matchplay.

For me, it's all about diversity, the championships format should be a break from the norm.

ShriekingSheet

Oh I could be confusing with Jimmy Bruen!

scout353

GreeBo wrote: »

Pierce Purcell was changed the same way about 3 years ago..
It makes it much harder to qualify...

Played Pierce Purcell a few times in recent years - still use matchplay in qualifying down these parts in Munster!!

JCDUB

f22 wrote: »

Bunch of arse if you asked me. Matchplay is a different mindset completely.

I know for fact that my club will field a far different team in qualifying to matchplay stages.

I've seen it over the years, little whipper snappers who spend all day every day on course, flying down the handicap scale, cacking themselves when the pressure is applied. On the opposite end of the scale , the wiley old dogs whose glory days are over, bustling fellas on course and using every mind tactic in the book to gain an advantage and win.

It's all great craic and I love it.

You see that's where I come in, a young lad with youth on my side and the wiley old head on my shoulders
I heard I'm replacing one FO'C on the team this year

Sligored

all matchplay in connacht also

f22

JCDUB wrote: »

You see that's where I come in, a young lad with youth on my side and the wiley old head on my shoulders
I heard I'm replacing one FO'C on the team this year

Not after shooting in the 100's on Sunday you're not

madds

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Oh I could be confusing with Jimmy Bruen!

They do use a qualifying strokes event in the Jimmy Bruen in order to qualify for the Matchplay stages. Not sure when it was introduced or if it has always been that way.

madds

Actually, Hermitage is hosting the Junior Cup for clubs in the Dublin West location. Obviously Lucan will be there, but wondering where the other matches are taking place and who you are playing for?