Universe Revealed! [SPOILERS!] LOL!!!!

senordingdong

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/04/istargate_universei_revealed.shtml

I think it sounds ****.
Ofcourse, early stages, I could be wrong etc.... but that plot stinks of what I believe to be the current Atlantis situation of being made up as they go along.

There doesn't seem to be alot of thought put into this.

In my opinon, the only way a ship based story could work for Stargate was if they used the ship as a base because the ship was stranded in another galaxy, and they landed it or beamed down to Stargates to have their adventures.

I know it's way too close to Voyager but the idea of a ship based Stargate series has been going around since universe was announced and that's just my two cents.

Sherifu

More stargate can only be a good thing I think, I'm just happy we're getting the 9th chevron. Replicating Voyager is a valid concern since it didn't turn out that great but at the same time it can still be gate based like you say with plenty of exploration. The ship has a gate so it'll be like putting stargate command in a caravan. :pac: The most important things will be a good cast and strong stories. The article mentions it won't be cheap so i'm looking forward to seeing what they'll do with the money. Bring it on I say.

aidan_walsh

Hell, Atlantis was just Deep Space 9 in a gray jumpsuit anyway.

/flees

iUseVi

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Hell, Atlantis was just Deep Space 9 in a gray jumpsuit anyway.

/flees

Run faster.

It took a while to get going and some of the characters are ****. But its got potential next season imo.

Overheal

Its a fine concept but only as a musing. I really dont see why they would want to make a series out of this. The conept sounds like it could be visited as a movie that would put the entire franchise to rest. I mean how many planets in how many galaxies are going to have environments that conveniently match the Vancouver landscape?

Not unless they make the threat collosal in some way. And I mean, cosmic. But Im not so sure they have what it takes to pull that off. Not in the way I imagine anyway.

iUseVi

Overheal wrote: »

Its a fine concept but only as a musing. I really dont see why they would want to make a series out of this. The conept sounds like it could be visited as a movie that would put the entire franchise to rest. I mean how many planets in how many galaxies are going to have environments that conveniently match the Vancouver landscape?

Not unless they make the threat collosal in some way. And I mean, cosmic. But Im not so sure they have what it takes to pull that off. Not in the way I imagine anyway.

Please, do tell!! What cosmic threat do you imagine?

Overheal

Something monstrously unfathomable, befitting of a universe full of galaxies full of stargates. When comics start talking on the cosmic scale like that you usually fall into the realm of upper-dimensional beings (ancients?) or in the Case of Transformers and Silver Surfer, giant living entities that ritually consume worlds whole, leaving nothing behind. It should be as big, or even bigger a threat. Seeing large superstructures like Halos and Ringworlds, and Dyson Spheres, would be something I would look forward to as well. Civilisations that have used dyson spheres to harvest the power output of an entire galaxy. When you have the scope of the universe at your disposal, Im sure im only picking at the tip of the iceberg here. Stuff you cant shake a P-90 at.

Ivan

iUseVi wrote: »

Run faster.

It took a while to get going and some of the characters are ****. But its got potential next season imo.

I've been hearing that for 4 seasons now. Atlantis has and will always (except a few occassional episodes) be ****.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Ivan wrote: »

I've been hearing that for 4 seasons now. Atlantis has and will always (except a few occassional episodes) be ****.

qf-mother****ing-t

Overheal

It would be fine but it appears to be missing the one key element and that really was RDA. He did something for the series which will never be quite replicated. Beyond that SGA and even seasons 9 and 10 tried their best. One of my favorite SGA episodes is still the one where RDA came on board.

RDA: He said he'd be back in a couple of hours. That gives him a good.... 11 seconds.

***

Woolsey: they're overdue.

RDA: Not yet.

Woolsey: its been Well over 11 seconds.

RDA: Yes. But you've been ignoring the dramatic element of

........suspense.

:rolleyes:

senordingdong

Well as I've said before, I thought season one of Atlantis was kicking and it was all down hill from there.
It completely lacks what I think made Stargate special, the realistic down to Earth approach.
Machine guns vs. Ray guns, no spaceships, etc... Now they're trying to keep these things in the foreground despite a fleet of ships and box after box of advanced technology.

I think Universe will suffer the same fate of Atlantis but with it's seemingly bigger budget, corners will be cut, probably on elements that could affect ratings. And with it's possibly inflated budget, it will be expected to pull bigger ratings, which could result in a swift cancelling.

robby^5

This is going to fail horribly, I can pretty much say without a doubt that unless they manage to pull of some amazing writing this series is going to stink. It just oozes unoriginality, its basically a new star trek series...

JIZZLORD

it stinks of epic fail!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah but so do you and you've made it to at least 20 consecutive seasons.

Overheal

senordingdong wrote: »

Well as I've said before, I thought season one of Atlantis was kicking and it was all down hill from there.
It completely lacks what I think made Stargate special, the realistic down to Earth approach.
Machine guns vs. Ray guns, no spaceships, etc... Now they're trying to keep these things in the foreground despite a fleet of ships and box after box of advanced technology.

I think Universe will suffer the same fate of Atlantis but with it's seemingly bigger budget, corners will be cut, probably on elements that could affect ratings. And with it's possibly inflated budget, it will be expected to pull bigger ratings, which could result in a swift cancelling.

I'm not saying you're wrong because that drew a lot of people in... but how long and on how many different planets in how many different galaxies can you expect to come back alive because you're holding a P-90 and a canteen?

Thrill

senordingdong wrote: »

I think Universe will suffer the same fate of Atlantis.....

What fate?

Atlantis is currently shooting it's fifth season, during which it will reach it's 100th episode and continues to be a big favourite among sci fi fans.

From Gateworld.....

SCI FI Channel is among the most DVR'ed networks on television, and Stargate Atlantis is one of the most DVR'ed television shows.

Recently Stargate Atlantis was voted as the favourite sci-fi show at the 34th People's Choice Awards. It beat out shows such as Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who for its winning spot.

I really liked SG-1 and watched it since it started but I also like Atlantis and I hope it continues into a sixth season. I'm also Hopeful that Stargate Universe is going to be good as well, should it get off the ground.

Overheal

Getting ready to rewatch Rising here and already its easy to see why i started watching it

As far as television goes it is currently the only series I am striving to collect. Even SG-1 is getting a miss until then.

100th Episode: cant wait to see how they work that one. Why do I get the sick feeling theres going to be a 300 reference in there somewhere... (or in the actual 300th episode of stargate)

User45701

Ye i watched the Forsaken or no sorry it was "The defiant one" yesterday, one of the better episodes of season 1. They should have kept the wraith like that. They made them weak like the replicators in SG1 or the borg in voyager.

Overheal

aye. was watching Rising and saw how hard they were to kill back then. rapid regeneration and zombie-ligaments.

plus they quickly got rid of the Illusions thing: The wraith could make you see things that werent there. Like phantoms.

User45701

didnt they drop a line somewhere that you become imune to it? like chickenpox

Overheal

User45701 wrote: »

didnt they drop a line somewhere that you become imune to it? like chickenpox

Or whomever approved the CGI budget became immune to it.

User45701

like chickenpox?

No but really i mean look at BSG i have only ever ONCE seen someone complain that they reuse the viper landing sequences or the baseship launching missiles. Star trek DS9 went to far, the last episode was 66%+ used footage, i mean in one scene garack was on cardassia, a federaration ship (big explision on the bridge all, it was a scene from season 6 and gareck was on it) WTF

Would you really case if they reused the exact same illusion every time they encountered wraith? i dont care if they reuse CGI as long as its tastefully done and its a good show.

Sherifu

User45701 wrote: »

didnt they drop a line somewhere that you become imune to it? like chickenpox

Possibly, don't remember that though. I'd forgotten about the wraith illusions tbh.

Overheal

I mean srsly the same ****ing wormhole sequence in every episode!

senordingdong

Overheal wrote: »

I'm not saying you're wrong because that drew a lot of people in... but how long and on how many different planets in how many different galaxies can you expect to come back alive because you're holding a P-90 and a canteen?

Not alot.
There's no denying Sg-1 should have ended alot earlier, and I don't think any spin offs should be clones but this is a very delicate area and they are traveersing it in a tank.
Atlantis started off well but now, as mentioned above, they have sacrificed alot of their story elements to make it a more general show.

Thrill, Atlantis may be into its fifth season now, but that is by no means a measure of the shows quality.

I'm just pissed off that Stargate had to become a franchise, and at that, descend to generic sci fi.
I think Universe is a step in the wrong direcetion.

User45701

Im not going to comment until i see it or see a trailer because you never know, with BSG ending and talk of only making universe after SGa ends TV will be almost devoid (?) of sci-fi and SGU even if its not amazing i still expect it to be watchable, and like every show out there you will get one absoutly amazing flawless episode

Thrill

senordingdong wrote: »

............that is by no means a measure of the shows quality.

Well, I wont argue this one with you because it's an argument no-one can win. 10 people can watch a show, any show, and 5 could say it was crap and the other 5 could say it was fantastic. It's a matter of opinion really.

I know a few people at work who think Lost is a quality show but I know just as many who think it's the biggest load of rubbish they've ever seen.

It's just that enough people watch and like Atlantis that it's gone into a fifth season. I'd like to see it go into a sixth and last season, a season in which all the storylines are brought to a conclusion, rather than let it start to go downhill like SG-1 did when Anderson left the show.



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Overheal

I wonder what happened in the days of old when Star Trek finished up and it was replaced by TNG...

... and we're still hearing echos of Kirk vs. Picard.

Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of RDA's work on SG-1 but theres some other great people in the mix like David Hewlett and Joe Flannigan has his moments. And Christopher Haeydal may be the best recurring Guest Actor the show has yet seen... y'know, besides Bra'tac.

Face it. SG-1, in its pilot episode, set up the stargate Universe as something very vast and wonderful. Not two planets linked by a pair of gates, but an entire network of stargates, on thousands of worlds across the galaxy. And even more unfolded out of that. Then more. Then more again.

When you get something like that so popular and so well established, people want to visit that. They let us do it with Star Trek for decades.

I wonder if SGU is really the final piece, to be honest with you.

User45701

Was Stargate infinity cannon?

KirkVPiccard was only a huge thing because when they where filiming Star Trek 6 (the last star trek movie with kirk) was the same time they began casting and filiming of Encounter st farpoint.

to me TNG has aged worse than TOS because i dont know TOS had something i dont know what the word im looking for but all i can think of is shakespearean, i hate shakespear time/speak/plays/books/tv shows but the dialog in TOS especially during some episodes like "Ballance of Terror" is just much better than what you get in early TNG

As for SG1 v SGA for me is SG1 because of the gouald and for O'Niell V Sheaperd i pick O,Niell. I would start a poll but we all know who would win...

Overheal

I wasn't even going to offer that as a challenge to be honest. Shepphard can't hold a candle to RDA.

Infinity is definitely not Canon.

Sherifu

Wasn't there speculation for a while that the 9th chevron involved controlling time? Would have been a bitch to write but it's funny that window of opportunity was voted the best sg1 episode on the sci-fi website. It was more of a groundhog day scenario than timetravel though.

Overheal

that was on today classic.

Thrill

Overheal wrote: »

that was on today classic.

It was on yesterday as well. Great episode.

senordingdong

Overheal wrote: »

Face it. SG-1, in its pilot episode, set up the stargate Universe as something very vast and wonderful. Not two planets linked by a pair of gates, but an entire network of stargates, on thousands of worlds across the galaxy. And even more unfolded out of that. Then more. Then more again..

I think that there's alot to be said and done in the galaxies we have.

Overheal

such as?

Nerin

i'd love to see more "different races" such as those extinct lizard gentlemen terra forming the planet.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Furlings god damnit

Nerin

Mordeth wrote: »

Furlings god damnit

i didnt think they were the furlings? ha,im happy now,always wanted to see what they looked like,and i did all along.
apologies

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

noo....

i was just saying I wanted the furlings to be involved

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about

Nerin

Mordeth wrote: »

noo....

i was just saying I wanted the furlings to be involved

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about

[disappointment] aww crap,now i want to see them again.[disappointment]

the alien race had a huge ship that made a planet suitable for them to live on, the ship housed dna samples of everything from there original planet and was piloted by an android.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

oh yeah, yeah I remember that

good episode

Nerin

yup and a cool species,those lizardy guys looked awesome.
i like when they throw more different races (like unas etc) into the mix.
loads of human like races gets a bit boring.

Demonique

Overheal wrote: »

aye. was watching Rising and saw how hard they were to kill back then. rapid regeneration and zombie-ligaments.

How well and how fast a wraith heal depends on whether it is well fed or not. In season four most of the wraith are starving and in a civil war over food

Overheal

which turns them into a big letdown as villains as the series has carried on.

senordingdong

Overheal wrote: »

such as?

Like other races and other planets.
Not just new ones, but revising old ones!*

Carter and McKay constantly waffle on about how big a galaxy is, yet we have to go to another galaxy for new adventures. The premise of 'Stargate Command' was good because it continues the adventures in the Milky Way, out of the same base but with new geezers. That suited me down to the ground.

*It was brought to my attention via the internet that some species, like the Ree'tu (or was it the Reoule?...not sure) are intellectual property of writers that no longer work on the show so the current staff can't use them.

Demonique wrote:

How well and how fast a wraith heal depends on whether it is well fed or not. In season four most of the wraith are starving and in a civil war over food

And isn't it convenient that these matters can change when it suits the budget?...or events of todays episode?

Overheal

What were the Ree'tu again?

AlmightyCushion

Those creatures that were out of phase. You needed a special weapon to kill them.

http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/Category:Reetou

Water Sprite

Ah, the much speculated on, yet ever mysterious Fourth Race. They can be vicious when taken by surprise I've heard. :cool:

Sherifu

senordingdong wrote: »

*It was brought to my attention via the internet that some species, like the Ree'tu (or was it the Reoule?...not sure) are intellectual property of writers that no longer work on the show so the current staff can't use them.

That's why they never appeared again? I wonder what other species that covers. I wonder why they gave the writers all the rights on them. Usually when you work for a company the company will have rights on your creations too.

senordingdong

Like I said, I only read that through the internet so I can't comment on how true it is or not.

User45701

Thats interesting but they give a good reason for them not being in it in the show, the gouauld wiped out almost their whole species because they cant be taken as hosts so the few that whrere l;eft where either in hiding or trying to erridacate the human population