The UK Student Archery Association

Panserborn

From Stewart Barclay of the UK Student Archery Association, sounds positive!

UKSAA wrote:

Hi all,

Apologies for emailing more or less everyone I could
find, but I'm not exactly sure who I should be
contacting for this.

My name is Stewart Barclay and I update the UK Student
Archery Association website (link below). I was
wondering if there was one individual who administers
the League - I have been taking results from the UCD
site but I don't know who is responsible for this. I'd
be grateful for a name and email address - thanks.

My other point is that I am organising a competition,
taking place on Sunday 11th May in York - it's all
going to be at 70m, teams of 3 gent recurves, 3 lady
recurves and 3 compounds from each of the 5 university
archery regional leagues covering Britain. There will
be a ranking round then some team and individual head
to heads. It's supposed to be some kind a stepping
stone event for the World Student Games - but this is
the first time it has been run.

Anyway I'm publishing a bit more about it on the UKSAA
website on Monday (I hope) - the long and the short of
it is, I'd like to invite an IIVL squad to take part.
I'd like to co-ordinate this with the League Organiser
too.

Thanks,
Stewart Barclay

UK Student Archery Association
http://uk.geocities.com/studentarchery/

HansEbert

as always im game!

Yuppie

sounds good, i tried to do something similar awhile ago with not much luck.

Panserborn

They seem to be willing to organise this one so would be worth a look! Good oppertunity to design and produce an Irish Student Squad shirt as well - if anything, we'd look the part!

spudnick

ah yeah sounds good,however wed have to act fairly fast.as its only a copule of weeks away.and organise sum sorta of selestion method,preffarbaly at 70 mtr,any ideas???

ppringle

Unfortunately the next IAAA outdoor shoot is only the first weekend of may so it might be a bit late.
Unless we get list of whoever wants/is available to go and make ourselves ready to send a team.
The selection process could then be the 70m score of that shoot.
Very short notice but doable if ready.

The other way is to use this year IV results but it does not take into account experience at 70m. The best IV archers should have that experience by now anyway.

spudnick

or we could organise a 70 mtr shoot soely for those intrested?wouldnt take much organisation.

Quote:
"Unless we get list of whoever wants/is available to go and make ourselves ready to send a team.
The selection process could then be the 70m score of that shoot.
Very short notice but doable if ready."

yeah thatd be just about doable.

ruiner

There's a FITA shoot up north in Aghagallon in Antrim hosted by Kilmore Archery club at the end of April. As far as I know it's also a Senior Euronations qualifier. You could use that if you are desperate and it's early enough.

I wouldn't assume the best I.V shooters can hit 70m. Low poundage bows will have difficulty hitting with a consistent accuracy regardless of how good the shooter is.

Oh and trust me all shoots take lots of organizing although it is doable

spudnick

QUOTE:
"
There's a FITA shoot up north in Aghagallon in Antrim hosted by Kilmore Archery club at the end of April. As far as I know it's also a Senior Euronations qualifier. You could use that if you are desperate and it's early enough."


off kilmorearchers page
"

(60 spaces available – enter early)

Completed Entry Forms & Fees to be returned on or before

Monday 14th April 2008"

Panserborn

What teams would be able to go?

1. Mens recurve

2. Ladies recurve

3. Compound

Three archers in each category - first things first, whos interested? Would they allow grace year archers?

spudnick

Eligibility

As BUTC - essentially you must be a student for 2007/08.

id say you'd have to look up BUTC whatver that is???


""

What teams would be able to go?

1. Mens recurve

2. Ladies recurve

3. Compound ""


regarding the teams allowed thats the impression i got aswell from reading the information on the link provided

doogle deegan

I have already sent an email to the organizer asking about the eligibility of post grad and grace year students. I have not had a response to date.

The shoot date is also very close to exams, i know in DIT we start exams the day after this competition which may mean that many archers may not be able to attend

spudnick

Eligibility

Eligibility of Institutions


Archery clubs from any UK institution of higher education (i.e. universities) can enter BUTC, regardless of whether that institution is a member of BUSA. Eligibility of Individuals


It has always been the intention of the founders of this tournament, and remains the view of UKSAA, that one of the primary purposes of BUTC is to offer students at British Universities a chance to experience the format and pressures of events that are commonly run only at the highest level.
Institutions have asked whether non-students who are members of their clubs (by virtue of life membership of University unions, associate memberships or similar) can also participate in BUTC teams. We have taken the decision that this should not be permitted, as it is not in keeping with the founding principles of the tournament, and would also introduce a potentially unfair advantage for those clubs with, for example, strong alumni or associate memberships. There is no reason why such individuals should not serve as team managers, but they may not compete.
Effectively we are borrowing BUSA eligibility requirements, see below:
Extracted from the BUSA eligibility requirements:

• REG 12. ELIGIBILITY
  • REG 12.1 Eligible Participants: For a student to be eligible for to represent his/her University at the British University Team Championships (BUTC) he/she shall:
    • REG 12.1.1 Be an internally registered[1] student at an institution of Higher Education.
    • REG 12.1.2 Be registered on a credit rated course (e.g. Degree or HND)[2], and
    • REG 12.1.3 Be undertaking a study programme equivalent to at least 60 credits per year, or in the case of a postgraduate student be undertaking a study programme of no less than 50% of the full time student programme, and
    • REG 12.1.4 Be a player who is permitted by the Governing Body of the sport concerned to participate alongside amateur competition in that sport; and
    • REG 12.1.5 Have paid the appropriate Club and (Union or Athletic Union) subscription.
    • REG 12.1.6 Students may only compete for the institution(s) with whom they are internally registered with.
  • REG 12.2 Special Cases for Participation: The following persons are classified as eligible to participate
    • REG 12.2.1 A student who is fully registered as an internal student at more than one institution (and is by BUSA regulations eligible to compete for each of those institutions) may choose, annually, on a sport-by-sport basis, from among the institutions which they are eligible, which of those member institutions to represent (noting REG 12.2.2 below).
    • REG 12.2.2 No student may compete in the same sport for more than one institution in any one academic year.
    • REG 12.2.3 A sabbatical officer of either a Students' Union or an Athletic Union who has paid the appropriate Club and (Union or Athletic Union) subscription.
    • REG 12.2.4 A student satisfactorily finishing his/her course of study between December and March or later until the end of the academic year provided his/her Club and (Union or Athletic Union) subscription has been paid.
    • REG 12.2.5 A student embarking on a Sandwich Course and/or Year Abroad course provided all of the following:
      • REG 12.2.6.1 The appropriate fee has been paid to their Club and (Union or Athletic Union), and
      • REG 12.2.6.3 The duration of the course in industry is less than one year.

notes: [1] A student who is classified by the university Registrar as a student who is studying at the member institution or assigned campus in an internal classification.
[2] That is a course that is registered under CATS (Credit Accumulation and Transfer Scheme).

Private Ryan

Count me out
I've an exam on the 10th (yes a saturday exam 6pm till 8) and on the 12th
sorry but any other day

spudnick

i supose the best question to ask is who would be interster/able to go to this event?

ppringle

I'd love to go but dont think I'm good enough unfortunately. :mad:
especially when you know the kind of scores UK student archers get !
Close to 1300, I mean those guys would be seriously competing for a place in the national team here.


And about the supposition that best IV archer can or cannot shoot 70m
Let's just take the top 3 male recurve this year, they all shot 70m before and did well.

The shoot in antrim might be the best option but as spud says better find out who's interrested first.

spudnick

yeah the antrim shho twould be good except the fees have to be in by monday

Panserborn

ppringle wrote: »

I'd love to go but dont think I'm good enough

If you're good enough to hit 70m then you're good enough to go. If the ISAA does send teams this year it should be a "touching base" mission. Its nice to win but that will come with time. Sending a team, getting a level of international experience, sticking the ISAA flag in the sand and screaming "HOWYE" is what should happen this year.

Don't worry about score or FITA Stars or whatever.

Getting to the qualifier in Aintrim (spelling!) is an ideal solution, but for the same reason that it will be difficult to go to the York shoot (exams / study) it will be difficult to get the potential archers to go. As it stands, there might not even be enough to go to fill the teams so if people make their intentions known you can then see if a qualifier is needed (ie, if there are more than 3 in any category wanting to go). If you can send a willing team (regardless of 70m experience) then you should - as I said above, if only to compete and say "hey".

Also, I reckon that for the ISAA teams you can select by ISAA selection criteria rather than the UKSAA criteria - I'm sure they will be fine with that. It would mean that you can potentially send the archers that were in competition in the Irish leagues in the year. This allows you to send the best 2007/2008 Irish 3rd level team you can in order to compete with the equivilent best UK 3rd level teams - and increase the chances of sending full teams.

spudnick

i agree with Panserborn.so first things firs if youre intersted in going post youre name and catagery here .ie andrew compound,then we can find out if wede have enough to fill any team

doogle deegan

I have received an email from the organizers i will paste the pieces relevant to us here. This is only a few weeks away so if people are planning on attending they need to act soon:

"Eligibility. Right, undergrads and postgrads can
shoot, but not those shooting a grace year - you need
to have been a student in 07/08"

"I should say it's not Ireland v England though.
Assuming everyone turns up, there will be 6 teams SUS
(= Scotland) NEUAL (North England) BUTTS (English
Midlands) SEAL (South East England) SWWU (South Wales
and West England) and yourselves."


The organisers will forward the official forms to me and i will pass them on to who ever is interested

Sarah

HansEbert

im of the opinion that we need to send as many we can! should all be competing for places and the only way we get good enough is experience! think ppl are interested we should do this

doogle deegan

Email from Stewart:

"Entry form should be out shortly. I think it's going
to cost £63 - that might seem random but it comes to
£7 per person.

I am in the process of writing a more detailed plan of
the day's shooting for the UKSAA site. Long and the
short of it is that each archer is guaranteed one
singles match and two team matches"


Tournament
There will be three categories of teams, Gents Recurve, Ladies Recurve and Compound from the constituent universities of the Regional Leagues. Archers from universities not in the league structure but in the same geographical area shall be eligible.

Compound teams may consist of male and/or female archers. There is no restriction on the number of individuals from any one institution. Competitors may be nominated below or at registration. Team line-ups may be changed up to registration itself.

Format:
The competition will consist of a ranking round and then both individual and team elimination matches, all outdoors at 70m.

The ranking round will be a FITA 720 (72 arrows at a 122cm face) followed by team and individual head to head matches, also at a 122cm face. Team head to head matches will be shot in 3 ends of 3 arrows each (total of 27 arrows) individual head to head matches will be shot in 2 ends of 6 arrows each. Individual medal matches will be shot in 4 ends of 3 arrows each.

These eliminations will closely follow standard FITA team rules for the outdoor competition.

Assuming the competition is full, every archer is guaranteed to take part in at least one individual and two team head to head matches.

Entries:
The cost of entry this year is £63. This entitles each League to enter a team in all three team categories. The closing date for entries is Monday 5th May.

Accommodation
York has many B&Bs and Travel Lodges etc.

Awards:
There will be medals. There will be no separate novice awards.

Further Information:
All up to date information about the tournament is available on-line in the League Team Champs section of the UKSAA website




I now have the entery form so anyone still wanting to shoot, i will send it on to you.

S