Best/Worst/Overrated/Underrated WWE

flahavaj

I'm shamelessly lifting this from another forum because its a good way of guaging whom people are liking and hating currently.

Name the people whom you think are the best/worst/most overrated/most underrated/most improved and most deteriorated in WWE at present. I'll start a TNA and maybe an indies thread in the next few days, I'm too lazy at the moment. Some explanations would be nice, just listing names makes for a ****ty thread.

BEST: Got to be HBK. No one brings it like he does on the big occasion, Mania last week proved that definitively. He'll go down as one of the all time greats without a shadow of a doubt and his list of genuinely great matches is longer than your arm. Even now, with his bad back, his knees in bits andlooking like he's in constant pain he's still better than the rest.
Honourable mentions go to umaga (who's just magnificent in his character and a brilliant worker) Cena and MVP (who's going to be sensational if they give him the ball).

WORST: Carlito. I really want to like him and really want him to improve but if anything he's worse now than when he debuted. He's the epitome of a guy who doesn't give a **** about his job, I can't remember the last time i gave a tos about one of his matches. How can a guy who's been working on the main roter for 4-5 years now still not be able to run the ropes any better than a ****ty IWW trainee? I await the "we wish him the best in his future endeavours" article on wwe.com with ever-growing impatience.

Honourable mentions go to Ashley Massaro and Deuce and Domino.

MOST OVERRATED:Mr Kennedy. Like Carlito this guy seems to get worse and worse as the months go by. Its unbelievable to me that there's people on the internet still jerking off over this waste of space. Since he moved to RAW and had to wrestle live he'd been exposed time and time again for making basic errors in high profile matches. How i laughed and laughed when he make a basic cock-up against HBK a few months ago on RAW only for Michaels to get visiby pissed and stiff him a few times. A' boy Micheals, old-school all the way! And what's with that retarded constipated bug eyed stare he has on is face while cutting a promo? Is it supposed to look menacing when in fact it makes him look a complete tool. He's nothing but a catchphrase that'll wear thin sooner rather than later.

Honourable mention goes to Shelton Benjamin. No idea how to construct a match and prone to cock ups as well. If i wasn't for ladder matches and one awesome spot with HBK he'd be back in OVW years ago. Has the charisma of a wet juicy fart.

MOST UNDERRATED: Jamie Noble. This guy is an unbelievable worker, he' just never been given the chance to show it. His matches in ROH were fantastic and a huge eye opener to me. If WWE ever bring back the Cruiserweight title they need to build it around this guy, hes the perfect base for the Londons and Kendricks of this world to fly around.

Honourable mention to London/Kendrick. Book them properly, turn them into cocky heels or give them a mouthpiece and push them to the moon as a modern day Rockers or Hardys.

MOST IMPROVED: Jeff Hardy. 12 months ago I despised this guy for his sloppiness and apparent laziness. Twelve months later I'm on awe of how great hes been. Since he came back to RAW he's had excellent matches all over the place with HBK, Jericho, Umaga and others. His been clean and crisp and finally looks motivated. Why did you have to **** up now Jeff you idiot?


Honourable mention to The Miz whom I actually quite like now, which surprises me no end.

MOST DETERIORATED: Batista. Looks so bad these days. No surprise he was reduced to a filler match at Mania. Umaga, who's ten times the worker should have gone over him.

Vince135792003

BEST: HBK. I read an interview where he talked about learning more mat based moves over the last year from the likes of Finlay and Regal. That's a testament as to how good he is. At 42, after dozens of great matches, he's still looking to add new things to what he does in the ring.

In my opinion, the best wrestler in terms of performance in the ring ever.


WORST: The Great Khali. What's there to say? Just watch him. He's valuable in some ways though to be fair.


MOST OVERRATED: Nobody If this was 12 months ago, I probably would have said Kennedy but I don't here much of a buzz around him now.



MOST UNDERRATED: Umaga Ever so slowly, people are starting to recognise how good he is but he's been great since his re-debut. Needs a manager though.



MOST IMPROVED: MVP He's come along way in 12 months, a guy you couldn't take seriously initially is now very close to make up to the top tier. I think in some ways Randy Orton has come on massively too.



MOST DETERIORATED: Edge Aside (and this is a big aside!) from his match at 'Mania, he really didn't do much for me in the ring throughout the whole year.

Fozzy

BEST: Shawn Michaels. He's just great. He's been better in the last six years than before he got injured and there just isn't anyone who comes close to him on the roster right now. Cena, Orton, HHH, Jeff, they've all been real good recently but it's Shawn who's stood out the most in my eyes. Says a lot that Flair wanted his last match to be with him

WORST: Domino. I'm just not a fan of his. Deuce is fine but Domino is not fun to watch

MOST OVERRATED: Shelton Benjamin. He has terrible matches and the only reason people like him is because he jumped from the ropes onto a ladder and another time he jumped from the ropes into a standing position where he happened to get superkicked. He's completely void of charisma too

I wouldn't put Kennedy here because I can see potential in him. He makes basic mistakes (like forgetting that the heels are meant to make the hot tag first. Shawn looked so stupid during that) but he's also had some pretty good matches. Ones with Matt and Jeff come to mind. But some people do just overlook his faults which does make him overrated

MOST UNDERRATED: William Regal. When was the last time he had a match?! He's still a great wrestler but they'd obviously prefer to use him for his talking abilities. But even there he's not used much, usually just coming out to announce a match. His abilities are being wasted and the fact that nobody really complains makes him underrated

Jamie Noble is definitely underrated as well. Backstage he's an agent so WWE clearly recognise that he's got something but it's not something that they want to push for whatever reason. Really great wrestler and he's still got plenty of years left in him, he's not that old

MOST IMPROVED: Jeff Hardy. It's between Jeff and MVP I think and Jeff just edges it out because while I was indifferent towards MVP when he started, I used to really dislike Jeff. He did great since last summer and WWE acknowledged it by building him up. Hopefully he doesn't give up putting on a good show now that it's likely he'll never win the title

MOST DETERIORATED: I can't really say. I don't think that Batista has deteriorated, I've never seen him as a decent worker. Certain wrestlers (Undertaker, HHH) know how to get something out of him but others usually end up lost

Guys like London and Kendrick aren't putting on matches as good as the ones they used to have on Smackdown but that's not their fault, they haven't been on tv as much and when they are they never really have any direction

Jericho and JBL haven't been as good as they were before their breaks, but that's just down to them not being back in the swing of things yet. Jericho is now though it seems. Edge wasn't as good as he was before his injury but he's made up for it with that Wrestlemania match

If I had to give an answer I guess it'd be Victoria. I don't see her often but she doesn't look as good as she was a few years ago. Maybe it's because of her lower quality opponents but she's the only one I can think of who doesn't seem as good anymore

BEST: In my opinion, thebest current wrestler in WWE would have to be... Finlay. I dont know what it is about him, but his hard-hitting (soft spoken :P) wrestling style just intrigues me. I think his match at Mania was the best you could have asked for in that situation (Street Fight gimmick with JBL). I don't mind Shawn Michaels, but I couldn't say he's the best. He's been having the same match over and over everytime i see him, and flipping it up every now and again at a PPV to try and remain fresh.



WORST: Honestly, I don't know. For the sake of this thread, I'll go with Khali. Khali really isn't that bad. But he's very restricted in his role of monster foreign guy, so i think he makes for very boring viewing.


OVER-RATED: Easily Randy Orton. People talk about him like he's some kind of WWE God. His matches are always repetitive and why does he have to do constant attempts at the RKO throughout the match? It leaves you looking at two men after been pushed apart for a few minutes and they have to go back to grappling or taunting again. Its always the same.


UNDER-RATED: I'd have to go with Kane. Whilst he's not the most athletic or original man on the card, he does the best with what he has, and has some great 'big men' matches. I see lately he's been changing his routine by adding dropkicks and the like to it. At least he's getting some recognition now with a belt on his waist.


IMPROVED: Santino Has been doing well as of late i think (with a lot of help to getting some mike time). I think he has ben very good as of late. I know he was never horribly bad (but never amazing either), but i think that for a new guy he has steadily gotten better and become a much more three dimensional character in recent history.


DETERIORATED: Triple H. He's gotten terrible lately. Not terrible as in comparison to the rest of the roster, but terrible in comparison to himself from a while back. Every match is a squash match or a "beat me up, then i'll destroy you" match.

Bubs101

BEST: HBK.No real competition here and not much to add.


WORST: Vickie Guerrero. by a mile. She has completely destroyed Edge's character. She is to blame for his fall which hasn't been in the past 12 months but 3. I still remember people raining praise on him for his Mardi Gras special right before he was crocked

OVER-RATED: Undertaker. He has gotten really old as of late and every match with him is practically the same. He'll punch for a while, go old school, hit one of his finishers to no avail but pin with the second one, that is unless the submission comes first.

UNDER-RATED:John Morrison and The Miz. Hard for me to pick between these guys and since they are a tag team I can pass it off as one pick. Morrison should be with the Smackdown title contenders while the Miz should be the ECW champ. Both are also great on the mic, their segment on wwe.com is very entertaining

IMPROVED: Morrison The only man to benefit from the Benoit tragedy. Since the gimmick change he has been electric. Outshone Punk in their feud which was a hard thing to do considering how far they pushed him and I think he is the reason they're bringing so many midcard heels to ECW, they want to replicate his success


DETERIORATED: Easy Y2J. Considering the position he was in last year when both companies were trying to sign him and he could have effectively named his terms with the WWE. His return was so highly anticipated but since he has come back it's been dissapointment after dissapointment.

rossie1977

taker over-rated at present??? no way; never a big fan of the guy but his performances over the last year have been great for a guy in his mid 40s and with so many injuries behind him, contrast taker circa 1992 with taker 2007/early 2008.

his performances at royal rumble 2007, wrestlemania 23, Backlash, NWO 08 and Wrestlemania 24 are so far removed from his earlier stuff its hard to believe its the same guy who looked horrible in the ring with the likes of gonzales, eudy, kamala, shango etc all those years back

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

taker over-rated at present??? no way; never a big fan of the guy but his performances over the last year have been great for a guy in his mid 40s and with so many injuries behind him, contrast taker circa 1992 with taker 2007/early 2008.

his performances at royal rumble 2007, wrestlemania 23, Backlash, NWO 08 and Wrestlemania 24 are so far removed from his earlier stuff its hard to believe its the same guy who looked horrible in the ring with the likes of gonzales, eudy, kamala, shango etc all those years back

No offence man, but he really is.

Every time we see the guy he's making a return and threatening that someone will 'Rest In Peace'. He constantly does the same match routine, too.

He, like HBK, Is only really loved because he's been there for so long. Yes, He is a good wrestler, but not near as amazing as people would say he is. He keeps a very similar match routine every week, and mixes it up for a major PPV here and then.

ShawnRaven

Oh this is great, i tried to point this out to everyone a year ago and got chewed up for it.
Wait til forbesii reads this, he'll be heartbroken and demanding that everyone should respect him. And that he's the most over guy in the WWE.

*grabs popcorn* this will be fun
VR!

rossie1977

Deleted User wrote: »

No offence man, but he really is.

Every time we see the guy he's making a return and threatening that someone will 'Rest In Peace'. He constantly does the same match routine, too.

He, like HBK, Is only really loved because he's been there for so long. Yes, He is a good wrestler, but not near as amazing as people would say he is. He keeps a very similar match routine every week, and mixes it up for a major PPV here and then.

every wrestler who has ever wrestled on live tv has a routine, be they ric flair, bret hart, shawn michaels, hulk hogan, john cena, undertaker, triple h, sting, big daddy or whoever.

flair; figure four, knife edge chop, chop block, elbow drop to the knee, inverted atomic drop, running jumping knee drop

bret hart; sharpshooter, spike piledriver, pendulum backbreaker, second rope axe handle elbow drop, russian legsweep, inverted atomic drop, bulldog

and i could continue all night, the point is wrestlers have a number of moves the use over and over and over and over again, night after night. I laugh when i hear john cena been criticised for using his signature 5-6 moves all the time when everyone else is doing likewise.

my point is taker has been putting on 4 star performances for about 15 months now, something which is very rare from american wrestlers in their mid 40s in this day and age.

the reaction when taker won the title on sunday night was amazing. As i have metioned before the atmosphere was very disappointing at this years mania and didn't really pick up until the last two matches. Taker is still hugely over with the fans so he must be doing something right.......

rossie1977

validreasoning! wrote: »

Oh this is great, i tried to point this out to everyone a year ago and got chewed up for it.
Wait til forbesii reads this, he'll be heartbroken and demanding that everyone should respect him. And that he's the most over guy in the WWE.

*grabs popcorn* this will be fun
VR!

based on crowd reactions at mania it goes
cena
taker
mayweather
trips

Machismo Fan

A good wrestler does a few things well instead of a lot of things badly. Undertaker may be old and his routine is repetitive but would you have expected someone to change everything they know 24 years into his career. Its not going to happen. He does what he knows well and why change that.

BEST: Edge, if there was a wrestler in the WWE today that I could watch or listen to all day it would Edge. Anyone that can portray love for Vickie Guerrero in a realistic manner deserves all the credit in the world.

WORST: Jim Duggan, why keep him around. He adds nothing.

MOST UNDERRATED: William Regal, I have to agree with Fozzy. If there was anyone that was most underused and thrived in that spot it was William Regal. Despite the fact that I don't think WWE cared much about him I think he has done really well to stay around. He deserves a decent push due to his charisma and in ring talent.

MOST IMPROVED: MVP, he has been one half of the glue that has been holding SD! together. Him and Edge are at times the only thing thats makes watching Smackdown bearable. I'd say its a matter of time before another Raw raid is coming.

MOST DETERIORATED: Kane, he looks terrible these days.

flahavaj

validreasoning! wrote: »

Oh this is great, i tried to point this out to everyone a year ago and got chewed up for it.
Wait til forbesii reads this, he'll be heartbroken and demanding that everyone should respect him. And that he's the most over guy in the WWE.

*grabs popcorn* this will be fun
VR!

*Laughs evilly*

I knew this thread would spark "debate" of some type or other. Just wait till we start the TNA one......:eek:

chopperbyrne

BEST: MVP For me he has been the most consistently entertaining performer all year, just pipping Edge and Orton.

WORST: Khali No explanation needed.

MOST OVERRATED: Cena Not because I'm not a fan of his, I am, but the company got on fine without him for a few months, so he's not as needed as many thought.

MOST UNDERRATED: The Miz Has been consistently entertaining and plays a great heel.

MOST IMPROVED: Morrison Was going nowhere fast as Jonny Nitro and is now one of the most over performers in the company.

MOST DETERIORATED: Kennedy Has gone from one of the most over guys to someone I just don't care about any more.

rossie1977

raw has scored an average 3.65 in the 10 weeks since Cena's return, it was 3.4 in the 10 weeks after his absence. we cannot determine how much WWE lost in other revenue with cena's absence; autographs signings, merchandise etc.

saying things like Cena makes no difference to WWE opens a huge cans of worms, WM23 WITHOUT Triple h was the biggest grossing event in WWE history so that means........................ :eek:

Vince135792003

rossie1977 wrote: »

raw has scored an average 3.65 in the 10 weeks since Cena's return, it was 3.4 in the 10 weeks after his absence.:

I don't think you can read too much into that. Generally, ratings our higher from January (which is when he returned) to March given the time that it is and the .25 difference which is small to begin with could just as easily be explained by that.


I'm not saying Cena isn't important however.

HorseRadish

Best : Shawn Michaels. The man could have a 3 star match with a broom

Worst : Maryse. Didnt know "welcoming everyone back to Smackdown" was such a hard number.

Most Overrated : Again,Kennedy.I just dont see the appeal with him. Edge nailed it in a promo just before WM23 "Yeah thats great,repeat your name".

Most Underrated : Jamie Noble. They have to resurrect the CW title for him. Surely!

Most Improved : Morrison. Loved his first post-Johnny Nitro promo on ECW

Most Deteriorated : Carlito. Just a matter of time befoe TNA comes a'calling

Bubs101

I would just like o take this oppurtunity to point out that I was hailing the Miz months ago and got ridiculed while calling for a push, the guy is great on the mic, rapidly improving in the ring, has media experience and above all, adores the business

kyp_durron

Bubs101 wrote: »

I would just like o take this oppurtunity to point out that I was hailing the Miz months ago and got ridiculed while calling for a push, the guy is great on the mic, rapidly improving in the ring, has media experience and above all, adores the business

You are the biggest Miz mark ever. Not that I disagree with anything you said there, just saying..

ShawnRaven

rossie1977 wrote: »

based on crowd reactions at mania it goes
cena
taker
mayweather
trips

Be serious please!
Cena got a fairly lukewarm reception compared to previous wrestlemania's, including his sh*t entrance.

And throwing Mayweather in that list and leaving out Flair is not only disrespectful, but it's criminally laughable too.

HBK probably got the biggest reaction of the night when he kicked Flair in the mouth for the last time.

VR!

rossie1977

validreasoning! wrote: »

Be serious please!
Cena got a fairly lukewarm reception compared to previous wrestlemania's, including his sh*t entrance.

And throwing Mayweather in that list and leaving out Flair is not only disrespectful, but it's criminally laughable too.

HBK probably got the biggest reaction of the night when he kicked Flair in the mouth for the last time.

VR!

i was there, big difference being there and watching on tv where WWE can manipulate it as they please. i can only call what i saw in person, 4th row main stand, camera side.

Shawn got zero or almost zero reaction until the superkick, there were a few guys (2-3) around me who tried to start up a shawn chant during the match that lasted all of about 2 seconds.

mayweather was incredibly over, he was booed coming out, booed during the match and people were baying for his blood when he won.

the reaction for flair in my area (and surrounding areas) wasn't anything hugely special from what i could see (i was surprised at that)

people had NO interest in orton during the triple threat, there were loads of lets go cena/cena sucks chants breaking out all over the place, mixed with a few triple h ones. Cena was already in the ring before most in the stands saw him because the wrestlers would get lost coming down the ramp, none of us were expecting that stupid entrance..

as i said previous the atmosphere at this years mania was terrible for the most part, remembering matches with actual fan noise is difficult, WWE cameras probably did a great job focusing in on the one of two fans who actually weren't sitting on their hands.

Rjd2

Best - The Undertaker , anyone who can get a succession of good matches out of Batista is the man, and look at No Way Out, that elimination chamber had the potential to be the worst ever but somehow Taker managed to single hand idly make it watch able. He was awesome the other night against Edge as well and for a man his age its great to see that he is still evolving his character by cresting new finishers.
Worst- it’s a tie between Khali and Big Daddy V, both cant even fall over properly let alone put on a good match. Honourable mention to Big Bad Dave as well.
Overrated- Wow you have catchphrase, a menacing stare and chew gum manically, pity you cant wrestle your way out of a plastic bag though isn’t it Mr Kennedyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Underrated- Finlay - The man can put on a good match with anyone which is incredible given his age.
Most Improved- It has to be Morrison for me, never mind Kennedy this guy is the real deal, awesome on the mic, excellent worker and a big game player. I hope he gets a push big time this year.
Most Deteriated- Rey Mysterio, It kills e to say it but the guy seems to have lost it before he got injured. Maybe it was lack of motivation but one thing you cant say it was down to was not facing good opponents,. Cos he was in the ring with the likes of MVP, Edge and Finlay and sadly the matches never got going.

Bubs101

Hunter got a much bigger pop than Cena and it wasn't only down to the entrance

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

i was there, big difference being there and watching on tv where WWE can manipulate it as they please. i can only call what i saw in person, 4th row main stand, camera side.

Shawn got zero or almost zero reaction until the superkick, there were a few guys (2-3) around me who tried to start up a shawn chant during the match that lasted all of about 2 seconds.

mayweather was incredibly over, he was booed coming out, booed during the match and people were baying for his blood when he won.

the reaction for flair in my area (and surrounding areas) wasn't anything hugely special from what i could see (i was surprised at that)

people had NO interest in orton during the triple threat, there were loads of lets go cena/cena sucks chants breaking out all over the place, mixed with a few triple h ones. Cena was already in the ring before most in the stands saw him because the wrestlers would get lost coming down the ramp, none of us were expecting that stupid entrance..

as i said previous the atmosphere at this years mania was terrible for the most part, remembering matches with actual fan noise is difficult, WWE cameras probably did a great job focusing in on the one of two fans who actually weren't sitting on their hands.

I have actually noticed the atmosphere at events has died as of late.

Put on any old Mania and the crowd are ecstatic. Hogan/Warrior. Hogan/Andre, hell, even Rock/Austin. But these days, despite who's main eventing or what the PPV is... no one seems to care.

And if you do keep chanting or whatever, you feel like a tool.


Also, i think Mania 24 didnt look too good on tv (crowd noise wise) was due to the open roof arena.

Vince135792003

Deleted User wrote: »

Put on any old Mania and the crowd are ecstatic. Hogan/Warrior. Hogan/Andre, hell, even Rock/Austin. But these days, despite who's main eventing or what the PPV is... no one seems to care.

Ever seen Wrestlemania 4 and 5 from the Trump Plaza? Very few ecstatic people at those 2 shows, especially the first one.

The crowd heat was just hurt by the open arena. On the plus side though, it looked amazing, especially the overhead shots.


I haven't noticed anything wrong with the crowd heat. Sure it's not at the Attitude levels but it's fine.

ShawnRaven

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Ever seen Wrestlemania 4 and 5 from the Trump Plaza? Very few ecstatic people at those 2 shows, especially the first one.

Funny you mention that as i had a debate with someone about those two shows, IV specifically. And we came to the conclusion that it was because Hogan wasn't walking down to the ring as champion for either of those. Hogan was champion for the first three, the title was vacated for the fourth, and Savage was champion for the 5th.

A lot of the failure for IV was too many matches, there was a 14 man tournament as well as title defenses and other grudge matches. It was the first Mania that chalked up to just under 4 hours (so much that for the original release, they had to add filler interviews to eat up the tapes). The first nail in the coffin was starting it off with a battle royal, with one of the entrants not even getting in the ring for it! That event could have been trimmed down to 3 hours easily because there was no chance in hell Rude, Jake, One Man Gang, Bam Bam (yet), Duggan or Steamboat (as he was on the way out) were anywhere near in line for the belt). By the time the second round came, Hogan and Andre were eliminated and the crowd couldn't care less about the tournament, because as good as Savage was in the ring, the crowd still were having a hard time warming up to him as a face (until of course, he won the tournament).

V is hard to watch these days as there's nearly at least one dead guy per match. But the card was thrown together with few stand out matches. far too many squashes. Pipers Pit dragged in for way too long (although he got some reaction for his entrance!), Nobody cared about Run DMC as they were pretty much washed up by the time 1989 rolled around. By the time the IC title match was done, crowd were ready to go home because now a heel had that title and nobody knew which way the World title came along, nobody was sure which way that would swing as Hogan was on and off to Hollywood and Savage was a heel. Now you show me one person who wanted two heel champions in 1989?

That was out reasoning for those two PPV's failing anyway.
VR!

Brolly

rossie1977 wrote: »

i was there, big difference being there and watching on tv where WWE can manipulate it as they please. i can only call what i saw in person, 4th row main stand, camera side.

Shawn got zero or almost zero reaction until the superkick, there were a few guys (2-3) around me who tried to start up a shawn chant during the match that lasted all of about 2 seconds.

mayweather was incredibly over, he was booed coming out, booed during the match and people were baying for his blood when he won.

the reaction for flair in my area (and surrounding areas) wasn't anything hugely special from what i could see (i was surprised at that)

people had NO interest in orton during the triple threat, there were loads of lets go cena/cena sucks chants breaking out all over the place, mixed with a few triple h ones. Cena was already in the ring before most in the stands saw him because the wrestlers would get lost coming down the ramp, none of us were expecting that stupid entrance..

as i said previous the atmosphere at this years mania was terrible for the most part, remembering matches with actual fan noise is difficult, WWE cameras probably did a great job focusing in on the one of two fans who actually weren't sitting on their hands.

Bloody hell - I was up in sec. 133 and the noise was deafening!!! People were going mad! During Undertaker v Edge in particular, people were getting very into it all (esp. in the second half of the match).

Brolly

Rjd2 wrote: »

Best - The Undertaker , anyone who can get a succession of good matches out of Batista is the man, and look at No Way Out, that elimination chamber had the potential to be the worst ever but somehow Taker managed to single hand idly make it watch able. He was awesome the other night against Edge as well and for a man his age its great to see that he is still evolving his character by cresting new finishers.
Worst- it’s a tie between Khali and Big Daddy V, both cant even fall over properly let alone put on a good match. Honourable mention to Big Bad Dave as well.
Overrated- Wow you have catchphrase, a menacing stare and chew gum manically, pity you cant wrestle your way out of a plastic bag though isn’t it Mr Kennedyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Underrated- Finlay - The man can put on a good match with anyone which is incredible given his age.
Most Improved- It has to be Morrison for me, never mind Kennedy this guy is the real deal, awesome on the mic, excellent worker and a big game player. I hope he gets a push big time this year.
Most Deteriated- Rey Mysterio, It kills e to say it but the guy seems to have lost it before he got injured. Maybe it was lack of motivation but one thing you cant say it was down to was not facing good opponents,. Cos he was in the ring with the likes of MVP, Edge and Finlay and sadly the matches never got going.

I agree competely - From the moment Mysterio made his return, there was something missing. He just didn't seem as good. Finlay should have won at Mania. Taker is the man - end of that discussion! Its beyond me why Big Daddy V is there - waste of money paying him when we already have ornaments like Khali taking up valuable space. Morrison is very talented - he will be the money in the bank winner at Mania 25 I'd say.

Ruu_Old

Bubs101 wrote: »

BEST: HBK.No real competition here and not much to add.


WORST: Vickie Guerrero. by a mile. She has completely destroyed Edge's character. She is to blame for his fall which hasn't been in the past 12 months but 3. I still remember people raining praise on him for his Mardi Gras special right before he was crocked

OVER-RATED: Undertaker. He has gotten really old as of late and every match with him is practically the same. He'll punch for a while, go old school, hit one of his finishers to no avail but pin with the second one, that is unless the submission comes first.

UNDER-RATED:John Morrison and The Miz. Hard for me to pick between these guys and since they are a tag team I can pass it off as one pick. Morrison should be with the Smackdown title contenders while the Miz should be the ECW champ. Both are also great on the mic, their segment on wwe.com is very entertaining

IMPROVED: Morrison The only man to benefit from the Benoit tragedy. Since the gimmick change he has been electric. Outshone Punk in their feud which was a hard thing to do considering how far they pushed him and I think he is the reason they're bringing so many midcard heels to ECW, they want to replicate his success


DETERIORATED: Easy Y2J. Considering the position he was in last year when both companies were trying to sign him and he could have effectively named his terms with the WWE. His return was so highly anticipated but since he has come back it's been dissapointment after dissapointment.

Spot on, hate the sight of that woman. She is a donkey!

krudler

the section i was in was going mental for everything, most of the crowd were but the front seats arent usually filled with fans, obviously most of them are from package holders but a lot are guests and competition winners you can see it every mania there are people who just have no interest in being there

Tricity Bendix

Christ, there is a lot of negativity on this thread! Especially towards the younger guys.

Best: HBK. A lot of people might say he does the same thing every match, but hey, that's wrestling. Everyone has a few spots they need to get through in a match. Its during the rest of the match that the innovations usually happen, and I don't think it is overwhelmingly obvious at the beginning of a match whether HBK is going to have a technical match, a more brutal and bloody type of match, or a high-flying, spotty match.

Undertaker is also great, but I cannot respect that new finisher that causes 'internal injuries'. Other honerables include Orton, Cena, Edge, and HHH.

Worst: Khali seems to be very unpopular with a lot of people here, but I think he has freak-value, so I wouldn't fire him were I in charge. Worst superstar for me would probably be Snitsky. I just don't see the point. They spend ages building him up on ECW, keep him steady as an upper-midcard monster on RAW, and then have Batista flatten him in record time on Smackdown! Snitsky serves no purpose on the roster. He hasn't made an oppenent look good since he jobbed to Shelton Benjamn for the IC title. And his own push was fruitless it makes you wonder why anyone bothered.

Chuck Palumbo needs a mention here, too.

Overrated: Hmm. This is not at all the same as the above catagory. In my mind, to be overrated you need to command a high position on the roster that you don't at all deserve. Has to be Dave Batista. He has been in and around the title picture of Smackdown! or RAW since he won the Rumble, and has had in this time one very good match (against the Undertaker at WM), a couple of decent matches (against HHH at WM, against Undertaker at various events) and many stinkers (every other match he's been in, and I include against Edge, who is the top heel in the company). ANY superstar on the roster could put together good matches against HHH and Taker at Wrestlemania. Its a shame to think how much air-time has been wasted on plugging this guy.

Underrated: London, Kendrick, Noble, and Helms. Throw in that Japanese cowboy and Little Guido and you get a fairly decent cruiserweight division. Put it on ECW if you don't want to eat up valuable TV time.

Improved: I used to hate MVP, now I think he's one WWE's greatest assets for 2009. Others include CM Punk (he seems to have made the transition to WWE-style matches at long last), Jeff Hardy, and Morrisson.

I would have once included Candice Michelle, but her performance in that tag match with Melina has put me right off. Plus, she managed to get herself injured again, which makes me doubt how safe she is.

Deteriorated: Rey Rey. Injuries have begun to take their toll. He needs to find some way to compensate, as he has built his career on high-flying and super-speedy lucha.

Placebo

why did everyone forget bret hart ?
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Fozzy

Placebo wrote: »

why did everyone forget bret hart ?
LEGEND

Because Bret's not in WWE

ShawnRaven

Placebo wrote: »

why did everyone forget bret hart ?
LEGEND

Because retired, overweight whiners do not count as being part of the "Active Roster"

VR!

Cactus Col

Best: Edge. I have to go with Edge, he is a very good wrestler, and very charismatic. Currently the top heel in the promotion. Loaded with potential, I think he just needs that feud that will catapult him to legend status.


Worst: I'd go with Kahli. In the past I would've defended Kahli and talked about how his size adds to a match. But, I find myself dreading seeing him on screen. I roll my eyes and want to change the channel. As he's the only one to provoke this, he's the worst. (Although I think he could be useful in a bodyguard / hired enforcer type gimmick for Edge or William Regal)


Overrated: Maybe it's ring rust ... but I've found Chris Jericho has been very unimpressive since his return

Underrated: I'd say Chavo Guerrero. He has been lumbered with horrible gimmicks for years(such as Kerwin White, Leutenant Loco), and some terrible feuds. But lately I have been very impressed with him. I think ECW might be the perfect place for him, and I hope he gets used properly and not made to look too weak in the coming weeks.

I was also thinking of putting Batista in here, it's not many wrestlers that could make a Punjabi Prison Match enjoyable.

Improved: I'll go with Matt Hardy with this. For years I thought he was just a wrestler making up the numbers, but in the past year he has really started to perform with MVP. His promos have improved and in ring he looks to be very competent. Hopefully wwe creative have plans for him after the mvp feud, because I can envisage Hardy and Edge been the leaders of a new era of wwe.

Deuce and Domino have also greatly improved in the last while, these days their matches can be very entertaining, and tweaking their gimmick could result in a great bruiser team for years to come. (update their greaser image slightly and hook them up with Chuck Palumbo to form a stable!)

Deteriorated: It's a toss up between Rey Meysterio and Y2J. I was never a big fan of Mysterio to begin with. Injuries seem to have been slowing him down a good bit. Y2J just doesn't seem anywhere near as exciting as he was when he left, but that might just be some ring rust and he may improve in the near future.



(I think Mark Henry could qualify for the underrated or improved section too, he is a much better performer than he used to be, and for a while he was been built up really well.)

Double C

Best: It has to be Shawn Michaels. No one else can hold a torch to him in terms of in ring ability. His catalog of matches at Wrestlemania prove this. The other person I would like to nominate in this is Orton. I've been singing his praises for over a year now and since the hotel incident he has been impeccable. He has had some amazing matches over the last year and has really set himself aside as the number 1 heel in the company.

Worst: It's hard to pick a worst wrestler. There are a lot of ordinary workers on the roster, but no one stands out as being the worst. The Boogeyman probably if I had to pick one. Khali is 20 times better than that guy.

Overrated: Might be a controversial pick, but Jeff Hardy gets my vote. Now, I’m not saying he's bad, he's a good worker, but not that good. I'd take Matt over him any day. The hype that surrounded Jeff around Christmas time when people actually believed he was going to win the title was all a bit much.

Underrated: As mentioned before, London, Kendrick and Noble are the main ones for me. Val Venis and Matt Hardy come into this category too.

Improved: Plenty of guys have come on leaps and bounds in the last 12 - 18 months. Cena, Orton, MVP, Mark Henry and Batista (although he has been poor recently) have all improved so much in that time frame.

Deteriorated: Benjamin and Haas. I used to have high hopes for these two, but every time I see them they get worse and worse. Haas in particular. I usually catch him on Heat before Raw and he's no good. The mask gimmick is dumb too. Edge slots in here too. He was definitely the best part of the Edge Cena feud in 2006 but his standard has dropped a lot since. Obviously injuries have had a part to play in this. He is still gold on the mic though.

Mr.Nice Guy

BEST: Shawn Michaels. No explanation needed. Others have said enough.

WORST: Snitsky. Yes Khali is immobile but he has a presence about him and can be used for comedy effect if anything. Snitsky brings nothing to the table. They hype him up and he still ends up a flop. Utterly useless.

OVER-RATED: Triple H. His best days are long gone. He peaked in the years 2000-02 when he was the best heel around and put on great matches frequently. These days you're lucky to get one great match out of him a year and yet people talk him up like he's in Shawn Michael's league. He isn't. He's where he is due to politics and ought to return to the mid-card where he belongs.

UNDER-RATED: Matt Hardy. He is the reliable Hardy Boy who consistently puts on top matches, has a connection with the audience and who has become better on the mic. With a good push behind him he could be where Jeff was and you know he wouldn't f*ck it up.

IMPROVED: Randy Orton. Easy one. This time a year ago he was his usual unprofessional self but he copped himself on and is now one of the world's best wrestlers. Seems to be gutsy enough to stand up to the likes of HHH backstage if reports are to be believed which shows he's becoming a leader in the dressing room too.

DETERIORATED: Botchtista. Another easy one. The guy's been on a downward slope for a while. I've heard his match with Umaga at Mania sucked and I doubt that was down to Umaga. By the way, I laugh at those saying Rey Mysterio. Expect him to pull him out a top drawer match in the next few weeks and months and prepare to eat your words. I would never write off that man.

Rjd2

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

DETERIORATED: Botchtista. Another easy one. The guy's been on a downward slope for a while. I've heard his match with Umaga at Mania sucked and I doubt that was down to Umaga. By the way, I laugh at those saying Rey Mysterio. Expect him to pull him out a top drawer match in the next few weeks and months and prepare to eat your words. I would never write off that man.

Listen rey is a legend but come on his matches since he came back have bing very poor. He has lost his spark and his matches are very slow and before you blame his oppenents, he has being fighting MVP, Finley and Edge and I thhink we all agree those guys dont really put on bad matches.

Double C

Rey had a stinker with Edge at the Rumble because he was carrying an injury. His other matches had been fine, maybe he was suffering from a bit of ring rust, but that's about it. Give him 6 months injury free and he will be just as good as he ever was.

Oh, and I need to include Umaga in my improved list, can't believe I forgot him!

Machismo Fan

Problem with Umaga is he is the whipping boy of WWE. He is a superb worker and deserves more big wins. Batista basically beat him with 2 moves.

Mr.Nice Guy

Rjd2 wrote: »

Listen rey is a legend but come on his matches since he came back have bing very poor. He has lost his spark and his matches are very slow and before you blame his oppenents, he has being fighting MVP, Finley and Edge and I thhink we all agree those guys dont really put on bad matches.

Lost his spark? You're talking about one of the most amazing wrestlers of all time. The guy has been plagued by injury problems but that doesn't mean he's lost his talent.

Botchtista on the other hand was a guy with very limited ability who depended a lot on his intensity. To be fair to him, this time last year he worked hard in his feud with Taker and did pretty well for himself. This year though he seems to be a spent force. That's a proper deterioration if you ask me and he can't use injuries as an excuse!

gimmick

Best : HBK for all the reasons given so far. He has everything. I really hope he is given a decent title run as no one deserves it more.

Worst: Mark Henry is an easy pick here. He has loitered around the roster for over a decade now, and people still cant get into his character. He is a crap heel, a crap performer, no charisma, nothing. I would say he is the least over WWE "talent" ever, in terms of how long he has been around.

Over rated I'll get eaten alive for this, but I have to say John Cena. Now I am not a Cena hater, far from it. I have come to enjoy his matches. But the Cena hating has now gone the other way with interweb folk, and if you criticize the guy, you are called a "smark" for not liking him. The guys in ring ability is great, but people make him out to be a superman of HBK proportions, and that just is not the case.

I'll qualify that statement by saying that a guy is over rated does not by any means make him a poor wrestler or anything. Some argue that Lio Messi is over rated. That dont make him a bad footballer, does it?

Under rated Hard one to say. Is Matt Hardy under rated? Is MVP? Ill go with Jamie Noble here. Any one who has seen his indy matches will tell you what he is capable. hell, even in his limited good run in WWE he has had some very good matches with the likes of Kidman and Mysterio. He has bucketloads of charsiam to boot. Push this guy. Now. Throw Regal in here as well. Still has plenty to offer in the ring.

Most Improved Cena. I have gone from hating the guy to liking his matches. Still don't like his gimmick. Haven't liked any of them since pre Mania 20 really. But you know a match with Cena involved will have a decent story told anyway.

Deteriorated Kennedy, Benjamin, Snitsky (if that were possible), Kane, Batista, Hardcore Holly.

Handsome Bob

BEST: HBK by default. A great worker and never complains when it comes to putting guys over. Has to be HBK really, no-one else has any real consistentcy.

WORST: Khali, who else? Special mention though goes to Jeff Hardy for his sheer carelessness and idiocy. It will take alot to build himself again.

OVERRATED: CM Punk, really don't see what the big deal is. People keep reverting back to his previous work but this is the big leagues. He had afew good matches with Nitro but on the whole haven't seen anything great on the mic. And this 'straight-edge' gimmick is laughable.

UNDERRATED: MVP. The guy has really improved in the ring and is at ease on the mic. Three of the most entertaining moments on SD in the last year have all involved him with Matt hardy, Ric Flair and Chris Jericho. Really expect him to push on now.

DETERIORATED: Kennedy. Started with such promise and it's not quite irretrievable just yet. Really suffered from being sidelined by injury and suspension. His planned feud with Triple H as McMahon's illegtimate son would have really put him up there. He has lost all his momentum.

Shanus

BEST: HBK and Undertaker - Both pulling out amazing matches at their ages.

WORST: Khali - Face it, he sucks.

OVERRATED: John Cena & Batista - I have yet to say "Wow, what a great match by (fill in the blank)" Cena & Batista don't understand psychology of a match

UNDERRATED: Brian Kendrick and Paul London - High flyers will never get their due.

DETERIORATED: Rey Mysterio & HHH - Both are broken and beat up, Mysterio can still pull out some great matches from time to time.

Ruu_Old

I saw this thing on WWE 24/7 that is worth watching. Legends of Wrestling-Worst Gimmicks. Presented by Mean Gene with Dusty Rhodes, Pat Patterson, Michael Hayes and Mick Foley. Good laugh and also gives a look into the previous wrestlers names and so on.

Reganio 2

Thought I would post my thoughts on this thread as I never seen it before

BEST: Jeff Hardy, I don't think its any secret that I am a big Jeff Hardy mark. I lost interest in wrestling when he left and only became interested in it again when I heard he was coming back.

WORST: Khali, very hard to watch but I haven't seen him in ages and don't watch Smackdown so its cool .

OVERRATED: Santino, average wrestler, average on the mic. Was funny for the first week then it got old even in the 1st week I didn't find him that funny tbh.

UNDERRATED: Cody Rhodes. hopefully will be getting the push he deserves soon. I reckon turn him heel and give him the mic and he will be grand. Has the swagger down to a tee. I look forward to seeing more of him in the future.

IMPROVED: Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy or John Morrison, all can put on some great matches and if Morrison gets the right gimmick he could be big, doubt it though.

DETERIORATED: See Smackdown roster exceptions are Matt Hardy, Edge (needs to get rid of La Familia or he will go down) and MVP.

Cactus Col

Placebo wrote: »

why did everyone forget bret hart ?
LEGEND

He could have fit in both the over-rated and deteriorated categories!

Handsome Bob

Cactus Col wrote: »

He could have fit in both the over-rated and deteriorated categories!

That's bound to be controversial:pac:

ShawnRaven

LZ5by5 wrote: »

That's bound to be controversial:pac:

As i already said, lazy bastid! He hasn't done anything in nearly a decade! :pac:
VR!

JP Liz

From current roster - Male Superstars

BEST: Edge

WORST: Batista

MOST OVERRATED: HHH

MOST UNDERRATED: Kane

MOST IMPROVED: Jeff Hardy

MOST DETERIORATED: Batista

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From current roster - Divas

BEST: Victoria

WORST: Ashley

MOST OVERRATED: Mickie James

MOST UNDERRATED: Cherry

MOST IMPROVED: Melina

MOST DETERIORATED: Victoria

Rjd2

JP Liz wrote: »

From current roster - Male Superstars

BEST: Edge

WORST: Batista

MOST OVERRATED: HHH

MOST UNDERRATED: Kane

MOST IMPROVED: Jeff Hardy

MOST DETERIORATED: Batista

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From current roster - Divas

BEST: Victoria

WORST: Ashley

MOST OVERRATED: Mickie James

MOST UNDERRATED: Cherry

MOST IMPROVED: Melina

MOST DETERIORATED: Victoria

Erm how can Vicky be the best female and most deteriorated female wrestler at the same time?

callaway92

Most underrated female should be Katie Lea..She had some good matches in OVW..I think Mickie is one of the few women that can actually wrestle so she isnt overrated in my opinion