M50 mainline sections being opened

darkman2

Near the N7 interchange - looks like 3 (4?) lanes open northbound with hs painted.

Hi - just a thread for those to let us know what sections of the M50 mainline are open to 3 or 4 lanes?

jmkennedyie

Yep, 4 lanes open each way N4 to N7 both Northbound and Southbound . A few gantries still to go in...IIRC there is a complete shutdown coming up on this stretch, maybe this weekend. Also a few wall panels/cats eyes/etc. Still 60kmph limit.

lynchie

They were opened yesterday btw including the section from N3 - N4. Although everybody is still driving in lanes 3 & 4 and ignoring the two new lanes!

darkman2

Looks really good. One thing though is the grafitti at the N4 and Ballymount. Someone told me he has seeing nothing as bad since the French Periphique motorway......having seen it myself its pretty bad. I wonder will the contractor remove it?


Cant understand why people are not making use of the new lanes yet. Looking at the cameras it looks like all the traffic is still shoved into two lanes!

Victor

Note the image above is updated every few minutes and I think its currently pointing at the N7.

darkman2

Victor wrote: »

Note the image above is updated every few minutes and I think its currently pointing at the N7.

Its pointed North on the M50 - that camera rarely changes.

testicle

There is a large "cross both sides of the M50" type gantry on its way to be installed this weekend. I suspect this is the reason for the closure. I passed it earlier on the M9, longest truck I have ever seen.

Colm R

darkman2 wrote: »

Cant understand why people are not making use of the new lanes yet. Looking at the cameras it looks like all the traffic is still shoved into two lanes!

This is the way it will remain. Fact!!!

I reguraly drive to Cork for the weekend and on my way down on a Friday and up on a Sunday I always stick to the left most lane. between Naas and Newlands Cross. Why? Because nobody (very few people) use it. Its amazing. And I am afraid to say, that is the way it will remain. When the M50 is fully completed, it too will remain the same.

Yes, I know I am breaking the law by undertaking, but it is simply the easiest way to maintain a consistent (legal) speed.

I have wondered why we here in Ireland consistenly try to stay in the 'overtaking' right or middle lane. Perhaps its something to do with our ani-English blood in us and not wanting to drive on the same side of the road as them.

Come on people. Its not difficult, "Keep Left, unless overtaking".

When you have finished overtaking, get back to the left.

Colm R

After typing the above I remembered one incident two weeks ago on the M7 which proves my point. Between the M9 junction and the start of the new Naas Dual Carriage way on the N7 (very busy section as of late), there were was a BMW on the right hand lane, which varied in speed of between 55 MPH and faster than 75MPH. I was trying to overtake traffic but got stuck on the right hand lane behind this car, speeding up and slowing down accordingly

I could see the driver in front of me, every so often talking on the phone and hence slowing down then speeding up after the call. It was very clear the person was on the phone. Once we got onto the Naas Dual Carriage way, and the I was sure the BMW was not going to pull into the left, I decided to undertake. As I passed, I had a quick look. The driver did not seem to care what lane they were in. And thats our biggest problem, attitude.

patrickc

Colm R wrote: »

After typing the above I remembered one incident two weeks ago on the M7 which proves my point. Between the M9 junction and the start of the new Naas Dual Carriage way on the N7 (very busy section as of late), there were was a BMW on the right hand lane, which varied in speed of between 55 MPH and faster than 75MPH. I was trying to overtake traffic but got stuck on the right hand lane behind this car, speeding up and slowing down accordingly

I could see the driver in front of me, every so often talking on the phone and hence slowing down then speeding up after the call. It was very clear the person was on the phone. Once we got onto the Naas Dual Carriage way, and the I was sure the BMW was not going to pull into the left, I decided to undertake. As I passed, I had a quick look. The driver did not seem to care what lane they were in. And thats our biggest problem, attitude.

I see that everyday, people just want to hug the lane their in, as if they own it and don't give a toss about others

Colm R

Colm R wrote: »

This is the way it will remain. Fact!!!



Yes, I know I am breaking the law by undertaking, but it is simply the easiest way to maintain a consistent (legal) speed.
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Technically yes, but your lane is moving faster than the "overtaking" lane you are just going the legal speed. Deliverate undertaking is a different issue.

Colm R wrote: »

Come on people. Its not difficult, "Keep Left, unless overtaking".

When you have finished overtaking, get back to the left.

we need a few of these

jmkennedyie

I have also come across plenty of ignorant drivers, but when complaining about drivers on the 3 lane section between Naas to Dublin in particular you must appreciate that some of them may actually be reading the overhead signs which explicitly and inaccurately direct that inside lane is for next exit only and only the other two lanes continue on to Dublin, or onto Naas. M50 layout is different (with auxillary lane) and I haven't seen this mistake on the new overhead signs.

Capt'n Midnight

Colm R wrote:

I reguraly drive to Cork for the weekend and on my way down on a Friday and up on a Sunday I always stick to the left most lane. between Naas and Newlands Cross. Why? Because nobody (very few people) use it. Its amazing. And I am afraid to say, that is the way it will remain.

Oi ! that's my private lane, get your own.

http://shillard.blogspot.com/2006/04/keep-left-unless-overtaking-how-hard.html

The situation arises because of the Americans as usual. The Yanks have created a situation where a small coke is a regular, a medium is large and a large is jumbo. Because of this the middle lane is the slow lane, the inside lane is the regular lane and the outside lane is the overtaking lane. Simple. Everyone knows the road users handbook is a list of handy suggestions. Come to think of it, nobody knows about the road users handbook.

spockety

A lot of people travelling at outrageous speeds on the N4-N7 section now (relative to the 60kph limit that is).. could be a turkey shoot if the Gardai decide to enforce it.

Also the left most main line driving lane (not the auxilary exit lane) looks way too narrow Northbound on this section to hold trucks. The hard shoulder Southbound also looks ridiculously narrow/dangerous, hope I never have to use it.

Victor

This is a pic I got during the week of one of the part-completed gantries. They had the two ends done and the middle missing. It looked rather odd.

http://localhostr.com/files/efce9b/DSC00360a+M50+Gantry.jpg

Victor

Victor wrote: »

This is a pic I got during the week of one of the part-completed gantries. They had the two ends done and the middle missing. It looked rather odd.

http://localhostr.com/files/efce9b/DSC00360a+M50+Gantry.jpg

That's not a gantry, it's the frame for an electronic information sign.



edit: It appears to me that they are going to use similar electronic warning/information signs as used on UK motorways, in particular the M25.

Capt'n Midnight

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Oi ! that's my private lane, get your own.

http://shillard.blogspot.com/2006/04/keep-left-unless-overtaking-how-hard.html

Here's a new campaign leaflet from the UK http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/documents/LANE_HOG_A4.pdf

And a video http://www.public.tv/programmes.php?PID=2292&Title=Lane+Hog

Irish and Proud

Colm R wrote: »

After typing the above I remembered one incident two weeks ago on the M7 which proves my point. Between the M9 junction and the start of the new Naas Dual Carriage way on the N7 (very busy section as of late), there were was a BMW on the right hand lane, which varied in speed of between 55 MPH and faster than 75MPH. I was trying to overtake traffic but got stuck on the right hand lane behind this car, speeding up and slowing down accordingly

I could see the driver in front of me, every so often talking on the phone and hence slowing down then speeding up after the call. It was very clear the person was on the phone. Once we got onto the Naas Dual Carriage way, and the I was sure the BMW was not going to pull into the left, I decided to undertake. As I passed, I had a quick look. The driver did not seem to care what lane they were in. And thats our biggest problem, attitude.

Well one thing the government should do with these guys is: when a motorist uses a mobile while driving, and causes an accident in the act, he/she should be fined at least €3,000 and banned for 2 years - no ifs or buts!!! These people simply don't care and will never care as long as they can get away with it. They are just so selfish that the dangers they impose never seem to cross their minds.

Brian Cowen - when your time comes, get these people off the road - they are not fit to drive! - Simple!

Regards!

I glanced at the traffic cameras earlier today and thought that the left lane was closed, it was not!, looks like I'll have lane one to myself in the morning. :rolleyes:

edit: lane one is actually the second lane between junctions, as the left lane (lane zero?) is in reality an extra-long sliproad!

There needs to be an education campaign on the TV instructing drivers how to use a 3+1 lane carriageway.

Is it my imagination or is there an extra wide central median being painted on the northbound carriageway at the Ballymount junction?

L1011

Victor wrote: »

This is a pic I got during the week of one of the part-completed gantries. They had the two ends done and the middle missing. It looked rather odd.

http://localhostr.com/files/efce9b/DSC00360a+M50+Gantry.jpg

Thats just a holder for a VMS display, like the M1 and the few of them on the N7 inbound - not half a gantry.

Capt'n Midnight

Irish and Proud wrote:

Well one thing the government should do with these guys is: when a motorist uses a mobile while driving, and causes an accident in the act,

Easier to just get mobile phone company to show calls to / from motorists around the time of an accident.

Actually it would be very easy for mobile phone companies by looking at how frequently phones change cells to have a rough idea of speed. Yes it's technically possible to tell if a person has been using a phone at speed. OK not all will be drivers and many will have hand free, but a quick survey should show how often people use the phone.

Capt'n Midnight

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Actually it would be very easy for mobile phone companies by looking at how frequently phones change cells to have a rough idea of speed. Yes it's technically possible to tell if a person has been using a phone at speed. OK not all will be drivers and many will have hand free, but a quick survey should show how often people use the phone.

A bit OT, but a recent murder was proven by tracing movement of a mobile phone around Dublin, and concluding that it was carried along certain roads, to and from the crime scene.
The crime of "driving without due care & attention" is a good cover-all, specifying mobile phones is a bit ott, it distracts police from looking at bad driving in general!

mackerski

Deleted User wrote: »

Technically yes, but your lane is moving faster than the "overtaking" lane you are just going the legal speed. Deliverate undertaking is a different issue.

Once and for all:

To pass another car on the left is an offence except in specific circumstances. Passing one on the mainline of a motorway or dual-carriageway while you drive at the speed limit if you do not intend to turn off is certainly not legal, whether "deliverate" or not.

Yes, the lane hog is a muppet. Yes, the temptation to left overtake is great. But it's an offence to do so. If you don't already know that then you probably don't deserve a pink licence - something you share in common with the lane hogs.

mackerski

mackerski wrote: »

Once and for all:

To pass another car on the left is an offence except in specific circumstances. Passing one on the mainline of a motorway or dual-carriageway while you drive at the speed limit if you do not intend to turn off is certainly not legal, whether "deliverate" or not.

Yes, the lane hog is a muppet. Yes, the temptation to left overtake is great. But it's an offence to do so. If you don't already know that then you probably don't deserve a pink licence - something you share in common with the lane hogs.

I am referring to the situation where there are two (or three) lanes full of traffice and the outside lane is moving slower than the other lane(s), if you follow your logic the left lane would become empty as someone refuses to undertake the car beside them! causing a much larger jam, especually on the apporoaches to the M50.
There are times when it works, legal or not, The police know when to turn a blind eye in these circumstances, they break this rule themselves all the time!! along with thousands of commuters every day.

mackerski

mackerski wrote: »

If you don't already know that then you probably don't deserve a pink licence - something you share in common with the lane hogs.

Assumptions!

L1011

mackerski wrote: »

Once and for all:

To pass another car on the left is an offence except in specific circumstances. Passing one on the mainline of a motorway or dual-carriageway while you drive at the speed limit if you do not intend to turn off is certainly not legal, whether "deliverate" or not.

And you're still wrong, despite insisting its "once and for all"

If you're travelling at a safe and legal speed on the inside or an inner lane and the outside or an outer lane is travelling significantly slower, you are not breaking the law in passing the vehicles in that lane. If you're ducking in to the insider/inner lane to do so, that is - but being caught there due to circumstance is not. Check the ROTR before posting next time, please.

Also bear in mind that if you were right, the Guards would have a honey trap of being able to fine virtually everyone in the inner lanes of the N4, N7, R113, etc every single working day - would be a far quicker source of revenue than the revenue generating speed traps (such as along the 60km/h limited dual carraigeway from the M4 to Intel in Leixlip) and all.

And finally - its nice to see you make a sweeping comment about the 'pink licence' when the question of 'when can you pass on the left' - with the correct answers including the situation above - is on the list of questions FOR the driving test!!

jesus_thats_gre

lol

Irish and Proud

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it my imagination or is there an extra wide central median being painted on the northbound carriageway at the Ballymount junction?

No mate! - It isn't your mind!

Yes! - What you see there is an extra wide median being painted. There are 2 reasons for this:

1) As the central column of the original Ballymount flyover is rather bulky, extra median space is required - the barrier is needed on the approaching side thereby leaving the large void on the other carriageway.

2) This bend is fairly tight, so sightlines need to be maintained on the carriageway curving inwards (towards the concrete barrier).

Regards!

Victor

Deleted User wrote: »

The police know when to turn a blind eye in these circumstances, they break this rule themselves all the time!!

Gardaí have an exemption to the vast majority of the Road Traffic Acts.

darkman2

Irish and Proud wrote: »

No mate! - It isn't your mind!

Yes! - What you see there is an extra wide median being painted.

Someone will probrably mistake it for an extra lane;)

Colm R

mackerski wrote: »

Once and for all:

To pass another car on the left is an offence except in specific circumstances. Passing one on the mainline of a motorway or dual-carriageway while you drive at the speed limit if you do not intend to turn off is certainly not legal, whether "deliverate" or not.

Yes, the lane hog is a muppet. Yes, the temptation to left overtake is great. But it's an offence to do so. If you don't already know that then you probably don't deserve a pink licence - something you share in common with the lane hogs.

How much do you spend on Animal Feed, because thats some high horse you have. No need for attacking other posters, this was a fairly civil thread till you dropped the bar.

Victor

OK, chill out folks.

Chris_533976

Colm R wrote: »

How much do you spend on Animal Feed, because thats some high horse you have.

What a great phrase, I'm stealing that

rameire

darkman2 wrote: »

Someone will probrably mistake it for an extra lane;)

i suspect they will put lines through the median like rumble strips,
i hope they will as it could cause a problem with idiots cutting ahead thinking its an extra fast overtaking lane

mackerski

MYOB wrote: »

If you're travelling at a safe and legal speed on the inside or an inner lane and the outside or an outer lane is travelling significantly slower, you are not breaking the law in passing the vehicles in that lane. If you're ducking in to the insider/inner lane to do so, that is - but being caught there due to circumstance is not. Check the ROTR before posting next time, please.

Read the law. Or the ROTR, you won't find them at odds on the matter. The exception you seem to be referring to is in situations of slow moving/queueing traffic. A slowcoach doing 100 in the overtaking lane won't let you play this particular card, however annoying. If I were the guard, I'd do the slowcoach for preference, but they aren't odds I'd like to play when left-overtaking.

MYOB wrote: »

Also bear in mind that if you were right, the Guards would have a honey trap of being able to fine virtually everyone in the inner lanes of the N4, N7, R113, etc every single working day - would be a far quicker source of revenue than the revenue generating speed traps (such as along the 60km/h limited dual carraigeway from the M4 to Intel in Leixlip) and all.

Read the law and show me where I'm wrong. There appears to be no Garda brownie points for prosecutions for failure to keep left or wrong-side overtaking. There is, unfortunately, only one road traffic offence worth prosecuting in this country, and it isn't either of these.

MYOB wrote: »

And finally - its nice to see you make a sweeping comment about the 'pink licence' when the question of 'when can you pass on the left' - with the correct answers including the situation above - is on the list of questions FOR the driving test!!

It wasn't a sweeping comment. It was applied specifically to a poster displaying ignorance of this very basic rule (and attempting to pass it on to others, which is even more worrying).

mackerski

Colm R wrote: »

How much do you spend on Animal Feed, because thats some high horse you have. No need for attacking other posters, this was a fairly civil thread till you dropped the bar.

I'll leave the high horses to those who have never succumbed to the temptation to overtake the overtaking lane hogs on the left. I'll own up to having very occasionally done so. But I won't spin a cock and bull story about it being legal just because I did so without changing lane.

L1011

mackerski wrote: »

I'll leave the high horses to those who have never succumbed to the temptation to overtake the overtaking lane hogs on the left. I'll own up to having very occasionally done so. But I won't spin a cock and bull story about it being legal just because I did so without changing lane.

Except its not a 'cock and bull' story and the only person spinning here is you.

You're honestly trying to put over that you are obliged to retard your progress (another thing the ROTR covers, as it happens) due to someone being in a lane beside you going significantly slower, assuming you are travelling at a legal, safe for the conditions speed in a clear lane?

You're not. In fact, if you're slowing down to ensure you're not passing them, you're impeding everyone else in that lane, a complete lack of common courtesy for other road users.

The ROTR makes no distinction between slow/queuing traffic and a muppet doing 60-80 when you're (as you should be as you're not overtaking) in the inside lane doing 100/120. Its 'significantly slower'. Thats all that matters.

mackerski

MYOB wrote: »

Except its not a 'cock and bull' story and the only person spinning here is you.

Yes it is.

MYOB wrote: »

You're honestly trying to put over that you are obliged to retard your progress (another thing the ROTR covers, as it happens) due to someone being in a lane beside you going significantly slower, assuming you are travelling at a legal, safe for the conditions speed in a clear lane?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Once again, I can only suggest you dig up the road traffic act and check it for yourself. There wouldn't be a lot of point having a law against left side overtaking if it were null and void for drivers going faster than the vehicles they wish to pass, since that's pretty much a given for any overtaking manoeuvre.

MYOB wrote: »

Except its not a 'cock and bull' story and the only person spinning here is you.

Yes it is.

MYOB wrote: »

You're not. In fact, if you're slowing down to ensure you're not passing them, you're impeding everyone else in that lane, a complete lack of common courtesy for other road users.

If I slow down to avoid shunting the slower can in front of me in my own lane then I impede the traffic behind. It's called "slowing down due to traffic conditions" and it's an everyday part of driving.

MYOB wrote: »

The ROTR makes no distinction between slow/queuing traffic and a muppet doing 60-80 when you're (as you should be as you're not overtaking) in the inside lane doing 100/120. Its 'significantly slower'. Thats all that matters.

The ROTR and the road traffic acts it seeks to interpret have no position on muppetry. But they do mandate that wrong side overtaking shall only be permissible in cases of slow-moving traffic (and that includes the person doing the overtaking). It names other exceptions too, but none that apply in the cases we're discussing. Him doing 80 and you doing 100 won't wash in front of a judge. But frankly, if you _are_ going to left overtake, at least do it as quickly as possible before the idiot changes lanes without looking.

And once again, I'm shocked that any driver wouldn't know all this. Utterly shocked.

L1011

I'm "utterly shocked" that you're continuing to argue this.

As goes the Road Traffic Act which you frequently mention but never cite:

Slowing down in the inside lane to avoid passing a slower vehicle in the outside lane is quite likely ""Driving without reasonable consideration" for other vehicles - e.g. impeding other drivers progress - 1968 Road Traffic Act.

The 1961 Act doesn't mention passing or overtaking. The 1968 one doesn't. The 1994 one doesn't. Care to show which one does? (Hint: Its not an act at all that covers it)

mackerski

MYOB wrote: »

I'm "utterly shocked" that you're continuing to argue this.

As goes the Road Traffic Act which you frequently mention but never cite:

Slowing down in the inside lane to avoid passing a slower vehicle in the outside lane is quite likely ""Driving without reasonable consideration" for other vehicles - e.g. impeding other drivers progress - 1968 Road Traffic Act.

The 1961 Act doesn't mention passing or overtaking. The 1968 one doesn't. The 1994 one doesn't. Care to show which one does? (Hint: Its not an act at all that covers it)

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html#zzsi182y1997a9

I think you'll find it clear enough.

L1011

Thats an SI, not an Act. You wre claiming it was in the Road Traffic Act.

That relies on a defintion of slow moving traffic - what is slow moving traffic? Traffic moving well below the speed limit of the road. Someone going 80 in the outside lane of the M4 is slow moving traffic.

If you can find an actual description of 'slow moving traffic' in any SI or the Road Traffic Act, I'd be rather surprised.

seamus

MYOB wrote: »

That relies on a defintion of slow moving traffic - what is slow moving traffic? Traffic moving well below the speed limit of the road. Someone going 80 in the outside lane of the M4 is slow moving traffic.

If you can find an actual description of 'slow moving traffic' in any SI or the Road Traffic Act, I'd be rather surprised.

I'd be rather surprised if any judge or Garda agreed that 80km/h was "slow" in any context.

Although the ROTR isn't an interpretation of the law, it's closest thing we're going to get unless someone can provide case law. And the ROTR specifically mentions moving in queues, which implies that the traffic is moving at less than 50km/h, probably even less than 30km/h.

mackerski

MYOB wrote: »

Thats an SI, not an Act. You wre claiming it was in the Road Traffic Act.

Well, you've got me there. Want to argue that one before a judge?

MYOB wrote: »

That relies on a defintion of slow moving traffic - what is slow moving traffic? Traffic moving well below the speed limit of the road. Someone going 80 in the outside lane of the M4 is slow moving traffic.

What Seamus said. In addition, let's use our loaves on this one: wrong side overtaking is illegal for a reason. I choose to believe it's to bring order and predictability to a dangerous activity like driving, in the same way it brings order for everybody to agree to drive on a particular side of the road. Specifically, the overtaking rule means that you should always find it simple to do a lane change in the left, as you can expect no cars from the rear to be in your way.

So an exception in slow-moving traffic would, for me, only make sense in traffic moving so slowly that:

a) there is lots more opportunity to observe cars coming from the rear where they wouldn't normally be and

b) (as in the case of queueing traffic) it would drastically impede traffic progress to insist that the left lane not move faster than the right.

MYOB wrote: »

If you can find an actual description of 'slow moving traffic' in any SI or the Road Traffic Act, I'd be rather surprised.

If you can argue your way out of a ticket based on the lack of such description I'd be rather surprised.

L1011

mackerski wrote: »

Well, you've got me there. Want to argue that one before a judge?

No, as thats not got anything to do with it. It has to do with you rather condescendingly telling me to read the Road Traffic Act(s) when the rules in question weren't even in them - suggesting you'd never read them to begin with. Practice what you preach, and all that.

mackerski wrote: »

What Seamus said. In addition, let's use our loaves on this one: wrong side overtaking is illegal for a reason. I choose to believe it's to bring order and predictability to a dangerous activity like driving, in the same way it brings order for everybody to agree to drive on a particular side of the road. Specifically, the overtaking rule means that you should always find it simple to do a lane change in the left, as you can expect no cars from the rear to be in your way.

So an exception in slow-moving traffic would, for me, only make sense in traffic moving so slowly that:

a) there is lots more opportunity to observe cars coming from the rear where they wouldn't normally be and

b) (as in the case of queueing traffic) it would drastically impede traffic progress to insist that the left lane not move faster than the right.

Have I at any time suggested moving in to the left lane to overtake someone is acceptable? No. Read my posts properly. I've said that there is (likely) nothing illegal in passing a significantly slower vehicle that is in the right hand lane (illegally as they're not overtaking) when you are already in the left hand lane. Little of what you're mentioning has any relevance when you're in this situation.

mackerski wrote: »

If you can argue your way out of a ticket based on the lack of such description I'd be rather surprised.

Decent lawyer. No specifics in law. Judge hasn't got much choice unless they want to set a precedent of what slow moving traffic means.

mackerski

MYOB wrote: »

Have I at any time suggested moving in to the left lane to overtake someone is acceptable? No. Read my posts properly.

I couldn't care less whether you move to the left in order to overtake or whether you were there already. It's still the same offence.

MYOB wrote: »

I've said that there is (likely) nothing illegal in passing a significantly slower vehicle that is in the right hand lane (illegally as they're not overtaking) when you are already in the left hand lane.

I know that that's what you've said. And you're just plain wrong. I'm amazed you're even trying to argue this.

seamus

MYOB wrote: »

Have I at any time suggested moving in to the left lane to overtake someone is acceptable? No. Read my posts properly. I've said that there is (likely) nothing illegal in passing a significantly slower vehicle that is in the right hand lane (illegally as they're not overtaking) when you are already in the left hand lane.

What's the difference?

In both cases you are intentionally overtaking on the left.

L1011

mackerski wrote: »

I know that that's what you've said. And you're just plain wrong. I'm amazed you're even trying to argue this.

My interpretation of it is that I'm not. You can continue to tell people they're wrong, reference stuff that doesn't exist (such as this being in the RTA), insult peoples licence-worthiness, etc, if you so wish though...

mickoneill30

mackerski wrote: »

I couldn't care less whether you move to the left in order to overtake or whether you were there already. It's still the same offence.

The rules of the road care. I'll take them over your advice.

You may overtake on the left when

* You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
* You have signalled that you intend to turn left
* Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Part 3 is what you're bickering about isn't it?

Taken from
http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/good-driving-practice/overtaking.html

This was a standard question when I did my test. Have they removed it now?

whosedaddy?

mickoneill30 wrote: »

The rules of the road care. I'll take them over your advice.

You may overtake on the left when

* You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
* You have signalled that you intend to turn left
* Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Part 3 is what you're bickering about isn't it?

Taken from
http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/good-driving-practice/overtaking.html

This was a standard question when I did my test. Have they removed it now?

And to add to that... further down that section...

You must not overtake when
* You are in the left-hand lane of a dual carriageway or motorway when traffic is moving at normal speed.

And I know someone will argue that going at 80km/h where there is a 100 km/h limit is not normal speed... sigh - get a life....

mickoneill30

whosedaddy? wrote: »

And I know someone will argue that going at 80km/h where there is a 100 km/h limit is not normal speed... sigh - get a life....

I was just talking about the current argument. I'm not worried about all the rules of the road.

MYOB wrote: »

I've said that there is (likely) nothing illegal in passing a significantly slower vehicle that is in the right hand lane (illegally as they're not overtaking) when you are already in the left hand lane.

I'd imagine that significantly slower does not equal normal speed.