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triangle choke a dog.. ahem

  • 03-04-2008 12:31PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    BJJ lads and grapplers



    dont ask me how this came to being discussed but if you had a big nasty looking dog you know the pit bulls lookalike ones but they arent illegal in ireland.. those ones...


    ... well say one of them took a run at you... is it possible to triangle choke the thing... if you had to... again dont ask me why this came about it just did :)

    thanks paddy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Paddy,

    Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

    Hope that helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭RedRaven


    paddyc wrote: »
    BJJ lads and grapplers



    dont ask me how this came to being discussed but if you had a big nasty looking dog you know the pit bulls lookalike ones but they arent illegal in ireland.. those ones...


    ... well say one of them took a run at you... is it possible to triangle choke the thing... if you had to... again dont ask me why this came about it just did :)

    thanks paddy
    I dont think it would be possible Paddy they are very strong animals, as soon as they got you on the ground your in there territory, low centre of gravity short muscled necks sharp teeth. The dogs weak spots are the usual eyes, genitals and cetnre of the throat, thats if you get a chance to attack, I think you best bet would be to kick at the ribs and hope to break them or do some lung damage, kicks to the head aint much good as the have very dense hard skulls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭RedRaven


    Roper wrote: »
    Paddy,

    Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

    Hope that helps.
    Did he tap Roper?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Can i just say, discussion of it being a possibility aside, anyone who things it is a good idea to stick the slathering jaws of an attacking hound between their legs needs a serious talking to in the fine art of family jewel protection.

    I could never respect a man who would treat Vivian (left) and Professor Emanuel Noiseworthy ( right ) which such disregard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭dunkamania


    Roper wrote: »
    Paddy,

    Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

    Hope that helps.

    Roflmao :D

    Getting funny looks from work colleagues after laughing so hard:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭dunkamania


    Dragan wrote: »
    Can i just say, discussion of it being a possibility aside, anyone who things it is a good idea to stick the slathering jaws of an attacking hound between their legs needs a serious talking to in the fine art of family jewel protection.

    I could never respect a man who would treat Vivian (left) and Professor Emanuel Noiseworthy ( right ) which such disregard.

    You call your left testicle Vivian?

    I will only roll with you in the future if you are wearing a cup......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    dunkamania wrote: »
    You call your left testicle Vivian?

    She knows why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    In summer i always triangle choke my Rotty, but it only traps him there-seriously, no choke-in the real move you need an arm in but dogs anatomy is not like that, plus he's not trying to bite me or scared so does not really resist, if he was an angry rotty it would not be possible, if you tried you'd end up with no teste's!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭cletus


    I reckon you'd have more of a chance with the guillotine, that way you don't need the "arm in" like cowzer said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    There was a bloke on another forum saying when he has a fight coming up he puts on safety gear and has 2 dogs attack him. I dont believe him but i had a chuckle til he said he killed the dogs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭FiannaGym.com


    This is straight from the OG! haha

    Conversations like this take place all the time there. Anyway, according to the self proclaimed "pit men" grappling with a god is nuts. Rear naked puts your major blood flow in your arms and neck at risk, with the triangle your exposing your inner thigh and genitals.

    Which is all crazy. As far as I am concerned a dog is basically a hunting animal (I know people will say some are bred for fighting) - it takes down fleeing prey. The best option almost always is to run at the dog in staggered patterns and aim to kick it with stomping style kicks. Increasing the likelyhood of biting a shoe rather than a leg. Then crucifix it and break its shoulders.

    But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

    Peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

    Peace

    Wolf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

    Peace

    the caterpillar :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Ant no doubt.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Ant no doubt.

    Ants are strong as hell, and have that cool armour thing going on but they are mentally weak.

    When's the last time you saw and Ant bring home the cold at the Insect Olympics?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 Conchubhair


    Instead of a triangle choke on dogs, use Kesa Gatame(scarf hold)...I heard it works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Whats OG?

    Also o/p, the british airmen pow's in the second world war used to use a modified rear naked, to snap the necks of doberman guard dogs. I read about it in some ww II book. Maybe about colditz.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 263 ✭✭filament


    i wrestle with my dogs a lot, they don't really like it though and while you can secure a pretty tight body triangle, it's a bit daft, their are already very good techniques against dogs and bjj is for humans :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭t-ha


    kick it in the balls!

    if it works on a charging rhino it'll work on a dog...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    t-ha wrote: »
    kick it in the balls!

    if it works on a charging rhino it'll work on a dog...

    How do you kick a charging rhino in the balls? there behind the animal!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Musashi


    I think going near a Pit Bull or Rotty with less than a shotgun is nuts! Failing that, I want my 20oz. roofing hammer to bust skull with. A big dog like that attacking my kids, I don't know how you could stop it? One on one with a tyre iron or some blunt force impact generator maybe. Two or more dogs and I think you'd be fecked, once attack dogs go so far there is no stopping them. Even their trainer can't call them off. I know a guy that trains BoerBoels, he won't go near them without some type of impact device to keep them in line.

    EsfaOubaas.jpg

    Just to give an idea of size!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭SorGan


    tactical bog biscuits in your pocket.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Musashi


    Tactical feck! How many kids have we seen on the news lately savaged or killed by big dogs? I don't agree with breed specific legislation, but an ass hole with a dog is an asshole!

    If a dog of that type attacked your kids, or for our younger forum members a kid brother/sister/cousin or niece/nephew, what would you do? I am really interested as I don't know! I would hope I could make the dog deceased in time to save my kids, but dogs are tough and big attack type dogs are double tough (at least).
    So what in feck do we do, say "Nice Doggy, Bed Now" and hope it works? Or try to anticipate that maybe someday we may have to kill a big dog to save a child?

    I do appreciate that it is an "out there" scenario, but I've seen strange stuff happen as a First Aider and I'd count nothing out as not likely to happen!

    Dealing with a large dog in full Red Zone attack mode, I really want my high power rifle, or failing that a pick axe, Pick Axe Handle (Polymer) or a big Axe. If a big dog goes bad you need a lot of "Stop" applied quickly and firmly, then phone an Ambulance and deal with the ABCs.

    If you are not First Aid trained, seek out training! RBSD or MMA, you can't go wrong with some good basic First Aid skills. If where you work has Occupational First Aiders ask to be one, have them pay for your training! This training has more chance of being used than any Martial training, and makes you more prepared for real world stuff that includes injuries and bleeding. If you get AED training at work, find out if your clubs insurance will cover you and if there is an AED Device local to your training, some clubs/shopping centres have tham and they are becoming more common. Failing all else, use common sense! If it looks bad, ring for an ambulance. I was going to post more, but really if you are not trained anything I write would be of no use. Get some training, then get some more! Practice your skills or they will fade, given the free time I would volunteer for the Civil Defense or St. Johns Ambulance/ Order Of Malta, Irish Red Cross.

    Stanley make a good anti-vibration hammer, Estwing "Weight Forward" hammers look good. I like a 20oz. for joists and roofing, and a 16 oz. for studded partitions and bridgings. Your mileage may vary, and for skulling big dogs who knows? I do believe either is better than tackling a dog with Judo/Jitz. but that's afaik. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    Well anyone remember the scene in Trainspotting?

    Some point beforehand, Sickboy steps in some dog **** in the park and vows to seek revenge on some canine. So out in the park with his rifle (must be some kind of pellet gun/air gun) he shoots a Staffordshire bull terrier who is playing with his owner. The dog goes into a fit of rage and attacks the owner with it's strong jaws, sinking it's teeth in. Sickboy gets up and wanders over with a baseball bath and sticks the narrow end in underneath the collar of the dog and twists, slowly strangling the dog to death.

    Not sure how practical that would be in real life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    There was a story in the paper this morning of a crocadile dragging a woman by her leg so her husband jumped on its back and started ramming him tumb into its eye. The croc let go and they escaped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    ryoishin wrote: »
    There was a story in the paper this morning of a crocadile dragging a woman by her leg so her husband jumped on its back and started ramming him tumb into its eye. The croc let go and they escaped.

    Shoulda stuck his thumb right up his butthole! That would really piss 'im off!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭t-ha


    cowzerp wrote: »
    How do you kick a charging rhino in the balls? there behind the animal!
    It's kind of a joke about 'deadly/instant win' techniques that sound good in theory but fall short in practice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭judomick


    ive read something about this before, as far as i can remember the carotid arteries of dogs are in the same place (roughly) as humans so a blood choke theoretically should work, a rear naked choke or lion killer as its called in portuguese(i know its a big cat not a dog) would probably be safer though,

    Will smith chokes his dog to death in I am legend, and no thats not a metaphor:), guillotine is a good suggestioni never would have thought of that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭ryoishin


    Dogs will go for groin, face or arm (so ive read). Try and wrap something around your arm like a coat. When its working on the arm kick it. Dogs can ingest their testicles in a fight ie go back up into their body. Or else try and find an equaliser.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    ryoishin wrote: »
    Dogs will go for groin, face or arm (so ive read). Try and wrap something around your arm like a coat. When its working on the arm kick it. Dogs can ingest their testicles in a fight ie go back up into their body. Or else try and find an equaliser.

    Surely ingest is the wrong word, or are they getting them ready when they lick them all the time?


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