triangle choke a dog.. ahem

paddyc

BJJ lads and grapplers



dont ask me how this came to being discussed but if you had a big nasty looking dog you know the pit bulls lookalike ones but they arent illegal in ireland.. those ones...


... well say one of them took a run at you... is it possible to triangle choke the thing... if you had to... again dont ask me why this came about it just did

thanks paddy

Roper

Paddy,

Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

Hope that helps.

RedRaven

paddyc wrote: »

BJJ lads and grapplers



dont ask me how this came to being discussed but if you had a big nasty looking dog you know the pit bulls lookalike ones but they arent illegal in ireland.. those ones...


... well say one of them took a run at you... is it possible to triangle choke the thing... if you had to... again dont ask me why this came about it just did

thanks paddy

I dont think it would be possible Paddy they are very strong animals, as soon as they got you on the ground your in there territory, low centre of gravity short muscled necks sharp teeth. The dogs weak spots are the usual eyes, genitals and cetnre of the throat, thats if you get a chance to attack, I think you best bet would be to kick at the ribs and hope to break them or do some lung damage, kicks to the head aint much good as the have very dense hard skulls.

RedRaven

Roper wrote: »

Paddy,

Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

Hope that helps.

Did he tap Roper?

Dragan

Can i just say, discussion of it being a possibility aside, anyone who things it is a good idea to stick the slathering jaws of an attacking hound between their legs needs a serious talking to in the fine art of family jewel protection.

I could never respect a man who would treat Vivian (left) and Professor Emanuel Noiseworthy ( right ) which such disregard.

dunkamania

Roper wrote: »

Paddy,

Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

Hope that helps.

Roflmao

Getting funny looks from work colleagues after laughing so hard:)

dunkamania

Dragan wrote: »

Can i just say, discussion of it being a possibility aside, anyone who things it is a good idea to stick the slathering jaws of an attacking hound between their legs needs a serious talking to in the fine art of family jewel protection.

I could never respect a man who would treat Vivian (left) and Professor Emanuel Noiseworthy ( right ) which such disregard.

You call your left testicle Vivian?

I will only roll with you in the future if you are wearing a cup......

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

You call your left testicle Vivian?

She knows why.

cowzerp

In summer i always triangle choke my Rotty, but it only traps him there-seriously, no choke-in the real move you need an arm in but dogs anatomy is not like that, plus he's not trying to bite me or scared so does not really resist, if he was an angry rotty it would not be possible, if you tried you'd end up with no teste's!

cletus

I reckon you'd have more of a chance with the guillotine, that way you don't need the "arm in" like cowzer said

ryoishin

There was a bloke on another forum saying when he has a fight coming up he puts on safety gear and has 2 dogs attack him. I dont believe him but i had a chuckle til he said he killed the dogs.

FiannaGym.com

This is straight from the OG! haha

Conversations like this take place all the time there. Anyway, according to the self proclaimed "pit men" grappling with a god is nuts. Rear naked puts your major blood flow in your arms and neck at risk, with the triangle your exposing your inner thigh and genitals.

Which is all crazy. As far as I am concerned a dog is basically a hunting animal (I know people will say some are bred for fighting) - it takes down fleeing prey. The best option almost always is to run at the dog in staggered patterns and aim to kick it with stomping style kicks. Increasing the likelyhood of biting a shoe rather than a leg. Then crucifix it and break its shoulders.

But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

Peace

Dragan

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

Peace

Wolf.

Judomad

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

But that is all OG crazy talk. The real question is which animal pound for pound is the toughest!! (more OG hilarity!)

Peace

the caterpillar

cowzerp

Ant no doubt.

Dragan

cowzerp wrote: »

Ant no doubt.

Ants are strong as hell, and have that cool armour thing going on but they are mentally weak.

When's the last time you saw and Ant bring home the cold at the Insect Olympics?

Conchubhair

Instead of a triangle choke on dogs, use Kesa Gatame(scarf hold)...I heard it works.

HammerHeadGym

Whats OG?

Also o/p, the british airmen pow's in the second world war used to use a modified rear naked, to snap the necks of doberman guard dogs. I read about it in some ww II book. Maybe about colditz.

filament

i wrestle with my dogs a lot, they don't really like it though and while you can secure a pretty tight body triangle, it's a bit daft, their are already very good techniques against dogs and bjj is for humans :P

t-ha

kick it in the balls!

if it works on a charging rhino it'll work on a dog...

cowzerp

t-ha wrote: »

kick it in the balls!

if it works on a charging rhino it'll work on a dog...

How do you kick a charging rhino in the balls? there behind the animal!

Musashi

I think going near a Pit Bull or Rotty with less than a shotgun is nuts! Failing that, I want my 20oz. roofing hammer to bust skull with. A big dog like that attacking my kids, I don't know how you could stop it? One on one with a tyre iron or some blunt force impact generator maybe. Two or more dogs and I think you'd be fecked, once attack dogs go so far there is no stopping them. Even their trainer can't call them off. I know a guy that trains BoerBoels, he won't go near them without some type of impact device to keep them in line.



Just to give an idea of size!

SorGan

tactical bog biscuits in your pocket.:)

Musashi

Tactical feck! How many kids have we seen on the news lately savaged or killed by big dogs? I don't agree with breed specific legislation, but an ass hole with a dog is an asshole!

If a dog of that type attacked your kids, or for our younger forum members a kid brother/sister/cousin or niece/nephew, what would you do? I am really interested as I don't know! I would hope I could make the dog deceased in time to save my kids, but dogs are tough and big attack type dogs are double tough (at least).
So what in feck do we do, say "Nice Doggy, Bed Now" and hope it works? Or try to anticipate that maybe someday we may have to kill a big dog to save a child?

I do appreciate that it is an "out there" scenario, but I've seen strange stuff happen as a First Aider and I'd count nothing out as not likely to happen!

Dealing with a large dog in full Red Zone attack mode, I really want my high power rifle, or failing that a pick axe, Pick Axe Handle (Polymer) or a big Axe. If a big dog goes bad you need a lot of "Stop" applied quickly and firmly, then phone an Ambulance and deal with the ABCs.

If you are not First Aid trained, seek out training! RBSD or MMA, you can't go wrong with some good basic First Aid skills. If where you work has Occupational First Aiders ask to be one, have them pay for your training! This training has more chance of being used than any Martial training, and makes you more prepared for real world stuff that includes injuries and bleeding. If you get AED training at work, find out if your clubs insurance will cover you and if there is an AED Device local to your training, some clubs/shopping centres have tham and they are becoming more common. Failing all else, use common sense! If it looks bad, ring for an ambulance. I was going to post more, but really if you are not trained anything I write would be of no use. Get some training, then get some more! Practice your skills or they will fade, given the free time I would volunteer for the Civil Defense or St. Johns Ambulance/ Order Of Malta, Irish Red Cross.

Stanley make a good anti-vibration hammer, Estwing "Weight Forward" hammers look good. I like a 20oz. for joists and roofing, and a 16 oz. for studded partitions and bridgings. Your mileage may vary, and for skulling big dogs who knows? I do believe either is better than tackling a dog with Judo/Jitz. but that's afaik.

Nothingcompares

Well anyone remember the scene in Trainspotting?

Some point beforehand, Sickboy steps in some dog **** in the park and vows to seek revenge on some canine. So out in the park with his rifle (must be some kind of pellet gun/air gun) he shoots a Staffordshire bull terrier who is playing with his owner. The dog goes into a fit of rage and attacks the owner with it's strong jaws, sinking it's teeth in. Sickboy gets up and wanders over with a baseball bath and sticks the narrow end in underneath the collar of the dog and twists, slowly strangling the dog to death.

Not sure how practical that would be in real life.

ryoishin

There was a story in the paper this morning of a crocadile dragging a woman by her leg so her husband jumped on its back and started ramming him tumb into its eye. The croc let go and they escaped.

Dragan

ryoishin wrote: »

There was a story in the paper this morning of a crocadile dragging a woman by her leg so her husband jumped on its back and started ramming him tumb into its eye. The croc let go and they escaped.

Shoulda stuck his thumb right up his butthole! That would really piss 'im off!

t-ha

cowzerp wrote: »

How do you kick a charging rhino in the balls? there behind the animal!

It's kind of a joke about 'deadly/instant win' techniques that sound good in theory but fall short in practice.

judomick

ive read something about this before, as far as i can remember the carotid arteries of dogs are in the same place (roughly) as humans so a blood choke theoretically should work, a rear naked choke or lion killer as its called in portuguese(i know its a big cat not a dog) would probably be safer though,

Will smith chokes his dog to death in I am legend, and no thats not a metaphor:), guillotine is a good suggestioni never would have thought of that!

ryoishin

Dogs will go for groin, face or arm (so ive read). Try and wrap something around your arm like a coat. When its working on the arm kick it. Dogs can ingest their testicles in a fight ie go back up into their body. Or else try and find an equaliser.

mark.leonard

ryoishin wrote: »

Dogs will go for groin, face or arm (so ive read). Try and wrap something around your arm like a coat. When its working on the arm kick it. Dogs can ingest their testicles in a fight ie go back up into their body. Or else try and find an equaliser.

Surely ingest is the wrong word, or are they getting them ready when they lick them all the time?

Dragan

t-ha wrote: »

It's kind of a joke about 'deadly/instant win' techniques that sound good in theory but fall short in practice.

It's not a good joke if you have to explain it.

ryoishin

ha ha ok suck them up

SorGan

weird to not hear anyone say "just run away" on this one

anyone see this one on the news?

A 73-year-old man used his bare hands to tear out the tongue of a leopard that attacked him in Kenya and killed it, a newspaper said Wednesday of an incident confirmed by the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS).

The 73-year-old Daniel M'Mburugu was working in his potato garden near Mount Kenya in the center of the country when the animal, apparently aggressive, hurtled from nearby grass and charged towards him.

"It let out a blood-curdling snarl that made the birds stop chirping. I froze for some seconds, then it dawned on me that death was staring at me on the face," he told the Standard Newspaper.

M'Mburugu, a peasant farmer, dropped the machete he was carrying and forced his hand into the leopard's mouth, pulling out its tongue in an act of self-defence, according to the report in the daily.

"A voice, which must have been from God, whispered to me to drop the panga (machete) and thrust my hand into its wide open mouth, I obeyed," he said, explaining that the leopard sank its teeth into his wrist, but would not let go.

As the struggle continued, M'Mburugu realized that the animal's "breathing was belabored", prompting him to keep pulling the tongue.

Villagers only responded when the animal lay dying and he gained instant status as a village hero, the paper said.

"Wardens said the leopard attacked the man because it was injured elsewhere ... wild animals are usually very aggressive and attack unprovoked when injured," KWS spokesman Edward Indakwa told AFP.

"Nevertheless, he was lucky," he added of the incident that occurred early this month.

Incidents of human-wildlife conflict in the east African nation are common, mostly near game parks and national reserves.

cletus

so he dropped a big feck off knife to wrestle a leopard bare handed...

SorGan

yep..ya gotta love that:D

ryoishin

hes hard. Proper hard. Knifey spoony/ knifey claw isnt tough enough for him.

mirwillbeback

paddyc wrote: »

BJJ lads and grapplers



dont ask me how this came to being discussed but if you had a big nasty looking dog you know the pit bulls lookalike ones but they arent illegal in ireland.. those ones...


... well say one of them took a run at you... is it possible to triangle choke the thing... if you had to... again dont ask me why this came about it just did

thanks paddy

yet another gem from Mr Clint, gotta make you wonder just what those kids he teaches are learning in school...i told ya before Paddy, us bjj guys can do anything and beat anything, especially thai boxers
just as MMA gets accepted, i can see an FM104 discussion with john kavanagh having to defend it to the RSPCA

FiannaGym.com

Run away from a dog?

I'm pretty fast, and I train sprints and do mountain running. I'm fairly sure I'd have a hard time out running most large dogs.

Anyone else think they could?

Jump over a wall!

Peace

Musashi

Run away from a dog?

I'm thinking activating the predator/prey response in a large dog that's trying to decide if he'll attack or not is a bad idea

SorGan

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

Run away from a dog?

I'm pretty fast, and I train sprints and do mountain running. I'm fairly sure I'd have a hard time out running most large dogs.

Anyone else think they could?

Jump over a wall!

Peace

couldnt even out run a small one:)

conor rowan

the best option when facing a dog is to try and make it back down or at least hesitate long enough to make good your escape.
cyclign through central asia i had a serious amount of run ins with dogs trying to bite. i used to squirt them in the face with water but then water became precious. what i found was raising my fist and shouting **** OFF DOG really loudly works best.
morale of the story make yourself big and loud.

as a vet student i think the nest option is to try and get behind and take mount, holding the jaws shut with your hand (s). in the vets we use a shoelace a lot of times to hold the mouth shut and then take up a side control hooking the dogs head in the crook of the elbow pulling the head up and to the side with one arm putting a shoulder of justice on the shoulder to get the dog flat on one side and stretch out and hold its front paws in place the other arm.

as for submission, nothing survives the little blue injection!

cats on the other hands are little bastards, wriggly feckers have the best escape system going.

ps when i say best option i mean using grappling, in reality shouting and kicking out is what id go for

FiannaGym.com

Best escape system going belongs to the honey badger, the OGs choice for pound for pound toughest animal on earth. haha

Peace

Nothingcompares

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

Best escape system going belongs to the honey badger, the OGs choice for pound for pound toughest animal on earth. haha

Peace

Ahead of the wolverine and Tasmanian devil? cool

FiannaGym.com

So you've read these posts on the OG? Comedy gold!!

Well as far as escape ability the honey badger has loose skin so that it can twist around inside itself (like wriggling inside a bag of its own skin) to mount biting attacks on its preditors face. hahaha. I love this kinda stuff.

It seems that on the OG APBTs keep coming back up, thats American Pit Bull Terriers to the non "pit men" on boards haha.

Peace

burtyburr

Roper wrote: »

Paddy,

Just for you I went out to my garden there with my springer spaniel. Now I know we have to account for difference in breed but it was the closest I could get. Anyway, I tried to put the triangle on, but he stacked me using his strong hind quarters, I grabbed his leg to try to sweep him but he put his weight down and thanks to having a long narrow head, he managed to wriggle out and tried to pass guard. I managed to get a butterfly hook in though as he was passing and got the sweep in the end and finished with a leg and arm choke from top. He was fairly p1ssed at being caught like that but we had a chat about it over some meaty chews afterwards and he knows where he went wrong.

Hope that helps.

Hehehehe....man...thats the funniest thing I've read in a while. Gonna make a poster out of it and put it in the club and on the site. Mind you. I'd imagine if it became a movie it would sell by the bucket load.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

In summer i always triangle choke my Rotty, but it only traps him there-seriously, no choke-in the real move you need an arm in but dogs anatomy is not like that, plus he's not trying to bite me or scared so does not really resist, if he was an angry rotty it would not be possible, if you tried you'd end up with no teste's!

Got to agree with you..

I'm 270lbs, my Staffie 'Jericho' is at best 30lbs and there's not a chance in hell I can pin this fella for more than a few seconds before he's out and has my back.

He's too small, fast and packed full of muscle.

I wouldn't put any human against a bull breed and expect the human to win by submission.

Jericho..