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A Year in Kerry's First Fulltime Martial Arts School

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Nor do I Cowzerp. The problem I have is people giving out about one persons blatant plug, because if is of little intrest to them, while applauding the next guy, because it is one of the arts they like/study.

    ANyway. See the Nick cage, bird hair pic for more details :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭johnnyc


    congrads on your 1st year :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭silat liam


    I agree with alot of what Dave has wrote on this thread. Coming from a minority art myself, it's very hard to have meaningful conversation with other posters on things to do with silat, as there are no other regular posters except for Jason who do Silat. So half the time I just putting up info about things I'm doing,which can come across as advertising, I do this in the hope that I can raise the profile of what I do and maybe get other people interested in Silat on the forum (saying that I meet most people who like silat in class each week, so its hard to see why they want to talk to me on a forum:D).

    I've no problem in how other people have posted and promoted there events and style, and it was nice for me to read about the Kerry club, and glad everything is going well for her.. Well done

    I can also understand why she hasnt posted much either who is she really going to talk to? Every conversation which doesnt promote mma, either disappears as no one responds or usually within 24 hours or less breaksdown into the usual mma v tma tired old war. So people just dont post. Maybe at the time when Orlie posted this, instead of people jumping on top of her about her post being nothing short of advertising, a crime most of us or guilty of ! we could have ask more questions of what Orlie taught and her style etc.. she mighten have disappear of this forum, and maybe just maybe could have become more active.

    Unfortunately this forum has become really a mma /ufc forum with TMA/ Self Defence and RBMA as a add on (would these 3 sections combined add up to 15% of the posts), you can see this by the threads and the response that are given, to anything which is not mma/ufc. This is nobody fault or design, its just down to the fact that people who do mma seems to use forums as a main way to communicate to each other, and talk about their experiences, the previous evening and offers them a chance to talk and look at each others videos of training and fighting.

    Another reason I feel is they have learn't that keeping a good online pressence creates very good advertising, to get new students and promote their clubs. Without a contant flow of new students all these gyms couldnt remain open. So if everyone in the same group, keeps patting each other on the back, and encourage to talk about all thats happening in each other club than you keep the focus on what you are doing in the public eyes ! Its a fantastic marketing tool. Everyday the same clubs are getting the same advertising out there. So when new readers come onto the forum they see the same adverts on a daily bases. There no prob with this and I congrat the guys doing it, :) but Its very unfair when someone like Orlie tries to gather up interest in what shes doing and get jump on, claiming it just advertising, a rule all of us are breaking all the time even me :rolleyes:

    Just my 2cents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    silat liam wrote: »
    we could have ask more questions of what Orlie taught and her style etc.. she mighten have disappear of this forum, and maybe just maybe could have become more active.
    post #6
    OP - Is it just straight Karate you teach your kids?

    She has disappeared into the ether long before this topic became the flame war it is now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    It's nothing to do with MMA. Stop acting victimised. It's to do with blatant advertising, without any prior contributions to the forum. If someone came on here with a similar post without any prior posts about an MMA gym, I'd give them the same response - adverts.ie

    I'd like some guy going on a motorcross forum with no posts and saying "I'm selling my kawasaki - world motorcross champion john doe said it's "one of the greatest bikes created in the last century".. It can be yours for only €9999!

    Now compare that to a guy who's posted on the forum for a few months who interjects in a thread where a guy is looking for a bike and says "Ah, sure I'm selling my kawasaki. Drop me a line if you're interested".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    I rarely say this, but I'm really, really, really sorry for starting this.

    All I asked the girl to do was be more subtle.

    I've been to confession twice since the start of this thread, I built a small homeless shelter in my back garden, I rescued a drowning cat from the local river, but still I can't get the feeling of guilt to go away.

    Orlie, if you're out there, somewhere... I'm sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Roper wrote: »
    I rarely say this, but I'm really, really, really sorry for starting this.

    All I asked the girl to do was be more subtle.

    I've been to confession twice since the start of this thread, I built a small homeless shelter in my back garden, I rescued a drowning cat from the local river, but still I can't get the feeling of guilt to go away.

    Orlie, if you're out there, somewhere... I'm sorry.

    hehehehehe i love it...........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,856 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Has anyone tried looking at Orlies past posts? All of the posts made on this particular forum have been ads for events, except for one in 2003 asking what MA's people did. I think thats the main problem for most people, that someone with no input on this forum, comes along and plugs their own event/club. Sure most people plug events and clubs, but most people here also have a lot of input in various threads.
    Also the only thing that actually bothered me about the original thread was the testamonials, any TV ad that uses "real people" testamonials automatically comes across as complete bull.
    silat liam wrote:
    So half the time I just putting up info about things I'm doing,which can come across as advertising,

    Yes, it is advertising, but its the way you do it and the fact that you regularly post in other discussions in this board that mean people don't complain about you advertising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    I agree. i have absolutely no interest in Silat/similar arts but I completely support liam's use of the forum for announcements because they're tactful, relevant and he's a forum contributor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with MMA.
    Maybe not. Maybe it is just coincidence that everyone who has complained about this thread being an advertisment is a practicioner of MMA who didn't raise any concerns with the dozen or so MMA events advertised here in recent weeks. Maybe there was only one shooter. Maybe there was no one on the grassy knoll.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's to do with blatant advertising, without any prior contributions to the forum. If someone came on here with a similar post without any prior posts about an MMA gym, I'd give them the same response - adverts.ie
    Fair play to you. Except you didn't in this thread , or this one, or this one. To pick 3 examples from the first couple of pages of our beloved and not in any way one-sided forum.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    I'd like some guy going on a motorcross forum with no posts and saying "I'm selling my kawasaki - world motorcross champion john doe said it's "one of the greatest bikes created in the last century".. It can be yours for only €9999!
    Now compare that to a guy who's posted on the forum for a few months who interjects in a thread where a guy is looking for a bike and says "Ah, sure I'm selling my kawasaki. Drop me a line if you're interested".

    Well, apart from the fact that she never alluded to being 'the greatest' or invoked a celebrity endorsement you are right. However in the absence of formal guidelines for this behaviour you may as well be telling this to Nicholas Cage's owl haircut.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭john kavanagh


    Maybe not. Maybe it is just coincidence that everyone who has complained about this thread being an advertisment is a practicioner of MMA who didn't raise any concerns with the dozen or so MMA events advertised here in recent weeks.

    going on your previous posts...and your signature....i find it disappointing you would infer any relevence or connection between what people train and what they post on non-training method related threads :confused:

    kinda like christians pointing out that pol pot, stalin etc were athiests ergo athiests are 'evil'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    It was actually meant to be a bit more tongue in cheek than it came accross but it still stands that those who say they have a problem with this sort of advertising, didn't seem to upset when something relevant to their intrests was advertised. It was more a go at the relevant peoples hipocrisy. I used the mma conspiracy reference purely for the lulz. I thought more people would get it.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭john kavanagh


    i actually agree with pretty much everything you wrote on this thread....just thought that let your argument down

    'I used the mma conspiracy reference purely for the lulz'

    i guess i just didnt get it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Mikel


    Could someone define how much of a 'contribution' is required before one can plug their gym/event? Seems insular and closed minded to me, verging on bullying tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Oh jumpin jeebus it won't stop! Sorry sorry sorry!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    Could someone define how much of a 'contribution' is required before one can plug their gym/event? Seems insular and closed minded to me, verging on bullying tbh.
    That's a bit harsh I'd say. The only thing most people would have any issue with is someone coming on and just copying and pasting a piece of advertising that they'd written and not contributing anything else.

    Anyway, how ye still arguing about this? I know it's ultimately all Barry's fault, but still, time to move on!:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    ...just thought that let your argument down
    Really? It looks pretty airtight from where I'm standing :p
    i guess i just didnt get it
    I thought the second gunman and grassy gnoll reference was a bit of a giveaway. That took me ages to think of too.

    Did anyone get it? Or have I lost my comedic edge?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    Mikel wrote: »
    Could someone define how much of a 'contribution' is required before one can plug their gym/event? Seems insular and closed minded to me, verging on bullying tbh.

    How about a couple of posts? People are losing sight of things. The original post wasn't deleted, the original poster wasn't banned, they're just getting stick for advertising.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Dave Joyce


    Ah for fuvks sake lads, a bit of honesty here at least. I know I've definately seen lads come on here (and I think they're perfectly RIGHT to do so BTW!!!) without previously posting ANYTHING and advertise shows (funnily enough MMA shows) AND not get the same amount of Sheet that Orile has for doing what everyone (AND yes I've done it too plenty of times) here has done at times. Mind ya its interesting that most of the fuvking moaners have ignored Liam's point about people not posting much because most non MMA OR Combat Sport related threads are by and largely ignored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    Ah for fuvks sake lads, a bit of honesty here at least. I know I've definately seen lads come on here (and I think they're perfectly RIGHT to do so BTW!!!) without previously posting ANYTHING and advertise shows (funnily enough MMA shows) AND not get the same amount of Sheet that Orile has for doing what everyone (AND yes I've done it too plenty of times) here has done at times. Mind ya its interesting that most of the fuvking moaners have ignored Liam's point about people not posting much because most non MMA OR Combat Sport related threads are by and largely ignored.

    Dave who, sorry?????????????? :D:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    I know I've definately seen lads come on here (and I think they're perfectly RIGHT to do so BTW!!!) without previously posting ANYTHING and advertise shows (funnily enough MMA shows) AND not get the same amount of Sheet that Orile has for doing what everyone

    Who?
    and if its a show that is of interest to the people on the board then whats the problem?
    lots of the people on this forum fight on the shows so there is defo an interest in this.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Who?
    and if its a show that is of interest to the people on the board then whats the problem?
    lots of the people on this forum fight on the shows so there is defo an interest in this.

    +1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭john kavanagh


    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    ...people not posting much because most non MMA OR Combat Sport related threads are by and largely ignored.

    thats interesting, why do 'non MMA OR Combat Sport' people that post here ignore those threads?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    Mind ya its interesting that most of the fuvking moaners have ignored Liam's point about people not posting much because most non MMA OR Combat Sport related threads are by and largely ignored.

    You don't sell copies of Fisherman Monthly in the Sahara.

    If threads are ignored then maybe it is because the readership is not there?

    That just kind of smacks of someone giving out about thread content but never starting the threads they want discussed to be honest.

    Just playing Devils Advocate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,856 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    Ah for fuvks sake lads, a bit of honesty here at least. I know I've definately seen lads come on here (and I think they're perfectly RIGHT to do so BTW!!!) without previously posting ANYTHING and advertise shows (funnily enough MMA shows) AND not get the same amount of Sheet that Orile has for doing what everyone (AND yes I've done it too plenty of times) here has done at times.

    Have you tried reading the first page of this thread? No-one complained that Orlie posted an ad, just how the ad was written (none too subtle, very few parents check boards.ie for MA's so testimonials pretty pointless)
    Dave Joyce wrote: »
    Mind ya its interesting that most of the fuvking moaners have ignored Liam's point about people not posting much because most non MMA OR Combat Sport related threads are by and largely ignored.

    How is it anyones fault if there aren't many people on this forum interested in non-MMA threads? In general only people interested in a particular topic are going to post in a thread about it. If these people don't post in a thread about a topic they are interested in, then they are ignoring it too. Do you expect people with no interest, experience or (in some cases) the first clue about what happens in the minority arts to keep threads alive for people who couldn't even be bother to post anymore?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Charlie3dan


    How is it anyones fault if there aren't many people on this forum interested in non-MMA threads? In general only people interested in a particular topic are going to post in a thread about it. If these people don't post in a thread about a topic they are interested in, then they are ignoring it too. Do you expect people with no interest, experience or (in some cases) the first clue about what happens in the minority arts to keep threads alive for people who couldn't even be bother to post anymore?


    Absolutely a fair point.

    I would say that there is another contributing factor. Some TMA guys may feel if they post something purely TMA, it always seems to end up being a tired old TMA vs MMA arguement due to the number of MMA practitioners.

    I've found that's not entirely fair, I posted about a shotokan karate tournament here recently and no such thing occurred. But I could still see why that perception is still there, and I still think there's a number of posters on the board who enjoy nothing more than bad mouthing TMA's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    I would say that there is another contributing factor. Some TMA guys may feel if they post something purely TMA, it always seems to end up being a tired old TMA vs MMA arguement due to the number of MMA practitioners.

    I would never comment on a thread about TMA unless i felt they where making false claims, ie, some karate coach saying he'll teach you how to compete and beat ufc fighters! or that they will make you a great grappler or anti grappler..etc..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    yeah wouldnt even look in thead that had something in the title that intrested me, like if someone says TKD or Bujinkan or whatever u call it i wouldnt even look at the thread because it simply doesnt intrest me, if you dont want to read about MMA then just dont go into the thread simple as that..if you want to read about TMA's only then click into them, if there are no thread title with TMA's that hardly MMA lads faults as it people who do TMA's own choice not to post a thread on here........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Charlie3dan


    No arguements with anything there lads all I'm doing is pointing out something which is also a factor. As I say, I don't think the perception that exists in entirely fair, i'm just pointing it out.

    I'm not suggesting it's the main factor, but it's there. Doesn't bother me, might bother others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Judomad


    No arguements with anything there lads all I'm doing is pointing out something which is also a factor. As I say, I don't think the perception that exists in entirely fair, i'm just pointing it out.

    I'm not suggesting it's the main factor, but it's there. Doesn't bother me, might bother others.

    it also isnt our fault that people perceive they will be linched if they post about TMA's, i genuinely couldnt give a rats if they do(and im usually first to start an arguement on here :D) so if they post something about there MA that doesnt intrest me i just wont read it, simple as...


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