new house question

c-dog

Hi,

Just a quick question, i'm currently in the middle of buying a house off the plans in portlaois, just wanted to know as the house is not built yet would it be worthwhile asking the builders as a nixer to build a shed out the back garden I was planning on buying one myself once i've moved in but thought it might be handy for them to do it during the building process. So mainly what i want to know is it common to ask builders these types of questions, would it be an option. What im looking for is more a gym/play room kind of thing about 20*12ft under the 25square meters so no planning permission is applicable. Would like it insulated and have power from the house running to it for electricity etc. What would the cost be roughly would anybody know or would it be cheaper to wait and get someone to do it after the house is finished. the builders are <snip> just in case anyone knows of them!

sinnerboy

in recent years this question was commonly asked - and answered by a refusal

things are changed - try it . don't ask don't get

WARNING

if it turned out later that you DID need permission - your property , your problem

c-dog

thanks for the reply, just considering my options at the moment so wanted to know if anyone had done it and cost etc...

MickLimk

Regardless of what you decide on the planning/construction side, it's certainly easier to run out the electricity cable (SWA), water, TV, network cables etc. now rather than in the future when the house is plastered & external landscaping complete.

One thing you may consider doing as an intermediate step is asking/paying your builder to pour an insulated slab for your future garage. Would save having to bring in any machinery and the possibility of wheeling in many barrows of Readymix. Shouldn't be any planning issues with this as far as I know!

gsxr1

If I your you I would get professional advise on the planning issue.

But you could at least make provisions with services like Electric and mains water before you pour foot paths.

It sounds like it would be a perfect opportunity for a nixxer . The lads on site should be very interested.

But get 2 or more prices else where. At least then you will know where you stand.

c-dog

don't think there is planning issues cos i'm not going to build anythin over the 25sqm which would require planning permission. will defo say it to them bout the electric,tv etc before the build is complete as this would be much easier then getting someone to do it when finshed. will also look into gettin the concrete slab as foundation good idea thanks, can't see that costing too much??? was will to put 5000-8000euro into it would this be sufficient??

sydthebeat

The could very easily be a condition of planning for the whole estate stating that "no exempted development can occur without planning".. or somethign to that effect. As an agent who administers lots of planning applications for developments in Laois, i have seen this condition quite often.
Best to check before hand to save you some hassle.

MickLimk

c-dog wrote: »

don't think there is planning issues cos i'm not going to build anythin over the 25sqm which would require planning permission. will defo say it to them bout the electric,tv etc before the build is complete as this would be much easier then getting someone to do it when finshed. will also look into gettin the concrete slab as foundation good idea thanks, can't see that costing too much??? was will to put 5000-8000euro into it would this be sufficient??

If the 'garage' is intended to be habitable, then I think you will need permission regardless of the size.

Very difficult to estimate costs without knowing exactly what it is you're trying to build and how it's to be built. Too many variables to be honest:
Cavity wall or timber frame?
Insulation?
Roof Style?
Intending to floor attic space?
Electrics?
Doors & Windows?
The list goes on...

As gxr1 said, ask the lads on site for a price and get two others just to be safe. For what it's worth, I think I spent about €5k on all materials for my garage. Presume you're not budgeting 5-8k for a slab!

c-dog

thanks for the info guys, who is best to talk to bout needing planning permission the auctioneers selling the houses?
No not budgeting 5-8k for slab. was looking at this type of shed

http://www.tiglinsheds.com/frontend/images/fullsize/concshed/black1a.jpg
http://www.tiglinsheds.com/frontend/images/fullsize/concshed/interior2.jpg

Not really in the know bout all the variables to be honest the cost of the above sheds would be in the region of 7500. Not to pushed on what walls,floors etc are in it once i can have a tv,electrics and could even use storage heaters. is it a big(expensive) job to have power and tv cable run to the shed? again not really in the know so sorry if its a stupid question!

smashey

c-dog wrote: »

thanks for the info guys, who is best to talk to bout needing planning permission the auctioneers selling the houses?
No not budgeting 5-8k for slab. was looking at this type of shed

http://www.tiglinsheds.com/frontend/images/fullsize/concshed/black1a.jpg
http://www.tiglinsheds.com/frontend/images/fullsize/concshed/interior2.jpg

Not really in the know bout all the variables to be honest the cost of the above sheds would be in the region of 7500. Not to pushed on what walls,floors etc are in it once i can have a tv,electrics and could even use storage heaters. is it a big(expensive) job to have power and tv cable run to the shed? again not really in the know so sorry if its a stupid question!

I wouldn't talk to the auctioneer. Why not try the planner?

250882

It would definately be cheaper and easier to carry out during construction but there is the age old question, can the exempted development be carried out before the development is finished?

sinnerboy

technically - no .
ABP have determined this question more than once ( thanks again muffler )

MickLimk

c-dog wrote: »

Not really in the know bout all the variables to be honest the cost of the above sheds would be in the region of 7500. Not to pushed on what walls,floors etc are in it once i can have a tv,electrics and could even use storage heaters. is it a big(expensive) job to have power and tv cable run to the shed? again not really in the know so sorry if its a stupid question!

Again, many unknowns. The more questions you can answer for yourself, the closer you are to being able to have informed discussions with your builder/electrician/plumber etc!

If you're not concerned about the construction method and are looking at the Tiglin-type shed then that simplifies things. I don't know anything about how they're constructed to comment on what you need as a base, but an insulated concrete slab couldn't hurt if you got your builders to do it. I'm sure someone else out there could comment on what that would cost in terms of price and quantity of readymix. Quantity should be an easy one to calculate based on the size of the shed. Been too long since I've ordered any to give even a ballpark figure on price.

If you settle on the shed type you mention, the electrics are the big unknown. You mentioned storage heaters - this could make a massive difference to the cost of your electric install and may indeed require changes to your house wiring.

Storage heating is usually run on a night saver meter, i.e. they use electricity at night that's converted into heat and stored in high density blocks for slower release during the day. The issue here is that you need a dual tariff meter on your ESB supply to allow you avail of the cheaper night rate electricity. However, these are not installed as standard on houses and the ESB will charge you more each month for the pleasure of having one of these meters installed.

I could go on about storage heaters but my general advice on this is for your own sake, avoid them. Depending on your occupancy of the shed, an electric oil-filled or even a fan heater may be a better option.

The cost of your electrics for the shed will be influenced by what you want to be able to run out there (total power required) and distance from the consumer unit in the house to the shed. Cable costs money and copper is very expensive these days. The higher the total power you need in the shed, the thicker the cable needs to be - more copper. The further the shed is from the consumer unit, the longer the cable - more copper! The greater number of sockets you want in the shed, again more cable, more money.

If I were you, I'd sit down and try figure out exactly what it is you want the shed for, how big it needs to be, where on your site it will sit, how often it is to be used, what you intend to plug in out there etc. You'll be in a much better position then to get better guesstimates on here as regards costs etc.

Sorry I can't give you more figures!

c-dog

thanks for advice MickLimk