How would you feel about the film section being expanded?

Karl Hungus

This is not something I'm sure about myself, but I've been mulling over whether to suggest it or not.

I think on the whole, it's a popular enough subject that we could expand on in without detrimental effect on the traffic of the main film forum. Now, I'd be against dividing it up by genre, but perhaps an addition of World Cinema as it's generally a popular subject, and could be given more breathing room with a forum of it's own. Threads about Trailers are generally very popular as well, and could easily serve a seperate forum, or perhaps Trailers/Upcoming Films? Maybe a seperate Lists/Faves/Top 10s would serve to contain all the spammy threads, and keep people who want to post to them happy?

I'm really not sure, because on one hand, I think some subjects could flourish given their own forum, but on the other hand, it's equally possible that we'd be segregating posting to one section. What do you guys think? Is the film section fine as it is?

Galvasean

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Maybe have a list sub forum. It might keep people happy.

I'd be very much against a separate World Cinema forum. A lot of people stumble across foreign gems here that they would not find usually. If there was a separate forum more casual film goers may miss out entirely.

Upcoming movies/trailers might be okay, but what do we do when a film is released? Move them? It might make a lot of extra work for the mod team.

Karl Hungus

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Galvasean wrote: »

I'd be very much against a separate World Cinema forum. A lot of people stumble across foreign gems here that they would not find usually. If there was a separate forum more casual film goers may miss out entirely.

Yeah, that's my main reservations about it, but the existance of a World Cinema forum wouldn't nessecitate that it can't be discussed in the main Films forum, just like the fact that there is a Horror forum, yet the subject often comes up here.

Galvasean wrote: »

Upcoming movies/trailers might be okay, but what do we do when a film is released? Move them? It might make a lot of extra work for the mod team.

No, I don't think anything would need to be moved, but perhaps the title is hasty. How about Trailers/News? Threads being about new trailers, or breaking news to do with a film. When it stops being news, people automatically stop posting.

guinnessdrinker

Meet the Spartans

While I agree keeping threads about lists out of the main film forum I think the idea of having a Lists/Faves/Top 10s is a good one and should maybe be tried out. Other than that I think the film section is cool the way it is.

Oh, just one other thing. The Film of The Week thread. That was one of my favourite aspects of the film section. I was thinking about this and maybe something could be done to resurrect it.

Basicly what about setting up a system like the soccer forum, where you can't gain access unless you have 50 posts and are a member of boards.ie for a month, (thats what I think the requirements still are). In that way, it would stop posters setting up extra accounts just to vote and would stop a lot of spam etc.

Just an idea.

Pepe LeFrits

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I don't see a need to change it; it's not that busy.

Karl Hungus

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guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Oh, just one other thing. The Film of The Week thread. That was one of my favourite aspects of the film section. I was thinking about this and maybe something could be done to resurrect it.

Basicly what about setting up a system like the soccer forum, where you can't gain access unless you have 50 posts and are a member of boards.ie for a month, (thats what I think the requirements still are). In that way, it would stop posters setting up extra accounts just to vote and would stop a lot of spam etc.

Just an idea.

We're not going to discuss FotW, so lets keep it on topic please.

Boston

I'd probably still only read the films foreign so dividing it up would, for me, just mean missing more stuff. That said the trailer stuff should be in another forum as its a very different type of discussion to what normally happens, since the film isn't out. Theres far more "that looks great" type posts for instance.

Eirebear

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Nope, id rather keep it all in one place.
I dont tend to venture into any of the other Film forums, instead just using this one to generally talk about and guage opinion on a whole range of films.

SPlitting it into many different genres would just creat confusion as to where your supposed to post what.

And i HATE the term "World Cinema":pac:

faceman

Meet the Spartans

Galvasean wrote: »

Maybe have a list sub forum. It might keep people happy.

I'd be very much against a separate World Cinema forum. A lot of people stumble across foreign gems here that they would not find usually. If there was a separate forum more casual film goers may miss out entirely.

Upcoming movies/trailers might be okay, but what do we do when a film is released? Move them? It might make a lot of extra work for the mod team.

Agree with you dude. I like the forum the way it is.

A sub forum for lists would keep the casual film goes/posters very happy.

I wouldnt like to see world cinema split out. After all what is world cinema? A genre? subtitled films? Anything not made by a major atudio? independent film? Its not a genre in itself and as our friend has said, a seperate forum might only be visited by a few. A film is good, i would like to hear about it but one doesnt wake up one day and say "i would really like to see a good world cinema film today, i think i will read the world cinema forum"

To give an example, karl et everyone who watched it, do you think Save the green planet would have reached such a wide boards.ie audience (thanks to karl) had it been posted in a sub forum?

faceman

Meet the Spartans

Boston wrote: »

That said the trailer stuff should be in another forum as its a very different type of discussion to what normally happens, since the film isn't out. Theres far more "that looks great" type posts for instance.

hmmm actually thats a very good point too.

Nolanger

How about sub-forums for Irish Cinema and Short Films?

Creature

Meet the Spartans

I'd be in favour of the allowance of lists, though within reason and strictly moderated. I don't really think the forum is busy enough to need the creation of subforums.

Tusky

Trailers or Trailers/Upcoming Films

I'm against it. Its not as if it is caving under the current traffic. As is, we have sub forums for various films and genres. Don't dilute it further!

Sherifu

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Tusky wrote: »

I'm against it. Its not as if it is caving under the current traffic. As is, we have sub forums for various films and genres. Don't dilute it further!

+1

Dont be at yourself

It has to be acknowledged that there is a significant appetite amongst people to discuss what may be considered by others as low-brow - including such things as lists. One needs only to pick up a film magazine to realise such. If, for some reason, they cant be accommodated on the film board itself, then I guess there's no other option but a separate forum.

I gotta agree with Tusky and others though - segregation is the last resort. A relaxation of rules and attitudes would generate a much better atmosphere for discussion.

Karl Hungus

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NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

It has to be acknowledged that there is a significant appetite amongst people to discuss what may be considered by others as low-brow - including such things as lists. One needs only to pick up a film magazine to realise such. If, for some reason, they cant be accommodated on the film board itself, then I guess there's no other option but a separate forum.

One could also argue that there is an appetite for torrents, filesharing and other means of obtaining films illegally, yet this doesn't mean that it should be allowed. It's not a case of the threads in question being low-brow, and I've explained why they're not plenty of times before, so you should be under no allusions of the reasoning, it's even outlined in the charter. You cannot compare an internet forum to a magazine, they're vastly different, and the fact is that even if lists are published in a magazine, they're not a continuing stream of lists from a myriad of different authors.

But honestly, nobody has come up with any reasons as to why if such threads were allowed, that the same thing wouldn't happen with Films, as has with the Music forum, and we'd see squillions of threads as such:

Top 10 best films
What are your favourite DVDs?
What's the last film you watched?
Last DVDs you bought.
Worst actors
Top 5 favourite directors
What films cheer you up when you're down?
What films you've watched more than 10 times.
Most memorable films.
Worst actresses
Best actresses
Favourite movies quotes

And on and on and on and so forth ad nauseum... Yes, some people like lists, but I've yet to see someone step up and provide solutions. Many film forums around the net are practically unreadable because they fill up with nothing but the likes of those threads.

As it is, I think the rules are generally fairly lax, and generally list threads will be left open if they generate any discussion. See the recent thread about worst directors for example.

Vokes

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Im very happy with the way the Forum is now.

Wouldn't be in favour of diluting it with sub-forums.

Still in favour of nuking List / Spam threads.

Karl Hungus

Trailers or Trailers/Upcoming Films

Hmm, well I think we've got a fairly resounding answer at this stage.

johnny_ultimate

World Cinema

Yeah think it is fine the way it is. It isn't like there is any particular sub-category that is weighing down the current forum. A trailer sub-forum is the only one I think could work, as there have been many threads on trailers, and would be handy to have them all in one place. Otherwise, fine as is.

Necronomicon

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As tempted as I am to throw my weight behind a World Cinema forum, I'd have to say I'd rather Film being kept as one. I made the same arguement about the Rock/Metal forum being kept as one, because I think segregation would reduce traffic.

Also, regarding lists, if there was a forum for them I wouldn't go near it because I hate the damn things. Not because they're spammy ways of boosting post count, but because they're so subjective they always end up in arguements. Just look at any of the list threads in the Soccer forum (I know it's a slightly different kettle of fish than movies, but the point is the same). You rarely see healthy debate, eventually it just turns into posters sniping at each other.

grames_bond

Meet the Spartans

i think allowing the "listees" their opportunity to make these stupid threads would stop alot of them continuously starting and being locked, segregate them and make them happy! apart form that i think its puy-fect the way it is!

Pigman II

You don't need a "trailers" forum but a division of "films that aren't out yet" forum would be good as I find talking about stuff we haven't even seen yet a very pointless pursuit.

A list (I prefer to think of it as a "favourites" tho) forum isn't required as I find that discussion as valid as anything else that appears on the main movie board.

Jello

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Tusky wrote: »

I'm against it. Its not as if it is caving under the current traffic. As is, we have sub forums for various films and genres. Don't dilute it further!

+2, fine as it is.

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

Lists but with common sense. A charter for the Lists sub section should list exactly whats not allowed with examples (such as those on the previous page) and added to as need be.

Eg: A good topic for the film nerds amongst us could be "Whats your favourite DVD commentary?" If Im buying a DVD and its a classic, or I know I like it, then a commentary is compulsary, but whats the best one in your opinion?

Thats just an example of a List thread that would get a good discussion going as the commentaries themseves would contain lots of good tidbits of info. Another off the top of my head (at quarter to nine in the morning ) would be "Pacino Or De Niro - who's better?" Ok its a film forum cliche but it would spark off discussion and debate.

And isnt that the point of Boards?

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Hmm, well I think we've got a fairly resounding answer at this stage.

The thread is only 2 days old - give it a few more before making the call. Great to see you're been open minded to change and giving users a chioce. Good stuff.

Boston

Pigman II wrote: »

You don't need a "trailers" forum but a division of "films that aren't out yet" forum would be good as I find talking about stuff we haven't even seen yet a very pointless pursuit.

A list (I prefer to think of it as a "favourites" tho) forum isn't required as I find that discussion as valid as anything else that appears on the main movie board.

Up Coming Films forum? I know I supported this idea earlier in the thread, but it now occurs to me, what do you do when the film is actually released. Most will continue talking in the thread about an upcoming film, as we've seen already. I'd be against a policy of locking threads once a film came out.

Necronomicon

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This might sound like a completely pointless request, but any chance we can get that sub-forum window at the top of the page that shows the last post in Film Reviews and Film Production like we had before? (Like in After Hours)

I know it's laziness on my part, but when I went to the Film forum I liked seeing what the last review was in the Reviews forum.

Karl Hungus

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PullMyFinger! wrote: »

The thread is only 2 days old - give it a few more before making the call. Great to see you're been open minded to change and giving users a chioce. Good stuff.

Not making the call at all, just observing.

Necromomicon wrote: »

This might sound like a completely pointless request, but any chance we can get that sub-forum window at the top of the page that shows the last post in Film Reviews and Film Production like we had before? (Like in After Hours)

I know it's laziness on my part, but when I went to the Film forum I liked seeing what the last review was in the Reviews forum.

Absolutely no way in hell ever!

The window is gone because Film Reviews in no longer a sub-forum of films. It was a nightmare to mod Reviews, because people were going directly there, and not clicking on Films in the drop-down menu, a lot of people didn't even know the films forum existed, and that it was just Film Awards and Film Reviews under a heading. The amount of off-topic posts in the reviews section was head-wrecking and an absolute nightmare to mod. Thankfully the whole section got re-organised, and there was no huge problems any more.

Necronomicon

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Karl Hungus wrote: »

Absolutely no way in hell ever!

The window is gone because Film Reviews in no longer a sub-forum of films. It was a nightmare to mod Reviews, because people were going directly there, and not clicking on Films in the drop-down menu, a lot of people didn't even know the films forum existed, and that it was just Film Awards and Film Reviews under a heading. The amount of off-topic posts in the reviews section was head-wrecking and an absolute nightmare to mod. Thankfully the whole section got re-organised, and there was no huge problems any more.

Ah that's fair enough. I do remember that, all the threads being posted in reviews. I guess I'll just have to go through the bother of going to the drop-down menus :pac:

Karl Hungus

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Necromomicon wrote: »

Ah that's fair enough. I do remember that, all the threads being posted in reviews. I guess I'll just have to go through the bother of going to the drop-down menus :pac:

What, you don't use the subscribe list? Subscribe to all the forums you visit, and there'll be a little star next to the forum name in the list if there's new posts, very handy indeed, just one drop down for keeping track of everything.

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

Nolanger wrote: »

How about sub-forums for Irish Cinema and Short Films?

Do we set ourselves annual reminders to post on it?

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

Come on people, Films List ftw!

Snake Plisken

Well I would like to see a sub-section for DVD's/Blu-Rays & HD-DVD's as they usually have areas to discuss about them from the extras provided on them to quality of picture soundtrack etc, plus you have a lot of movies that go straight to DVD. There is also a big number of people who buy DVD's every week as they are so cheap so I just think there might be some interest in this sub-forum.

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well I would like to see a sub-section for DVD's/.

+1

Karl Hungus

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Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well I would like to see a sub-section for DVD's/Blu-Rays & HD-DVD's as they usually have areas to discuss about them from the extras provided on them to quality of picture soundtrack etc, plus you have a lot of movies that go straight to DVD. There is also a big number of people who buy DVD's every week as they are so cheap so I just think there might be some interest in this sub-forum.

Honestly, there's been nothing stopping anyone from discussing that topic here in films, but the fact that there's few threads about it would tell me it wouldn't work as a fully fledged forum.

PullMyFinger!

Meet the Spartans

When is this poll closed?

Karl Hungus

Trailers or Trailers/Upcoming Films

There's no set date at all.