Ireland faces a "crisis" with racisim

ScumLord

This is a headline on the news. So what they're saying is we could face a crisis if we don't give the PC pricks a load of money...


What are they teaching the children!

Balls. Don't give them a penny.

Overheal

Stop hoarding the link to the article like a Jew!

biko

"Crisis" v crisis?
Damn them foreigners coming over here taking our jobs and women and speaking that crazy Oz accent :mad:

ScumLord

It was on the news, the rte website puts it in a far less sensational way that just doesn't suit my rant.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0311/integration.html

Rob_l

The real headline for this thread and that link OP should be something like
"At Annual conference teachers complain about everything because they want a pay rise"

real headline is ASTI calls on Dept to counter racism

So Im unsure why you have crisis in quotation marks as it doesn't appear in the article or headline.

MrJoeSoap

A bit of casual racism never hurt anyone.

ScumLord

Rob_l wrote: »

So Im unsure why you have crisis in quotation marks as it doesn't appear in the article or headline.

On Rtes 6.1 and lunch time news that's how they put it.

orestes

Is the racism hitting critical level or something?

Rob_l

ScumLord wrote: »

On Rtes 6.1 and lunch time news that's how they put it.

Well you should quote that source next time
your grade is a C-

Ciaran500

They need a new word, crisis isn't as scary as it used to be.

aidan_walsh

Ciaran500 wrote: »

They need a new word, crisis isn't as scary as it used to be.

Ireland faces a "kerfuffle" with racism.

MrJoeSoap

Ciaran500 wrote: »

They need a new word, crisis isn't as scary as it used to be.

Epidemic?

AckwelFoley

I blame them n*****s and dem jews.. they're taking over, there going to rape our women and take our jobs.

*spits out tobacco*

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ScumLord wrote: »

On Rtes 6.1 and lunch time news that's how they put it.

Are you falling for the sensationalist bait again, you silly boy? The exclaimation makrs made me do it? How did you get from ""Crisis"" to "giving PC Pricks a load of money"?

EDIT

Just read the story, you still don't make sense. The Dept of Education is not supporting secondary schools - what else is new? Where's the racism come into to it (and DON'T blame RTEs labels)

Voodu Child

It's them blacks what cause the racism anyway..

Sir Oxman

orestes wrote: »

Is the racism hitting critical level or something?

Yes, apparently the odd casual racism is okay also why are these foreigners coming over here and robbing our crises - Irish crises used to be paedo priests and Garda corruption and condoms and not going to mass oh and Bertie and Co...

Toto Wolfcastle

Balls to that story. I'm in the ASTI (well I'm a student member and I haven't looked at the lovely CD they sent me out telling me all a about then but I filled in a form once!) and I can tell you that there are a lot of older teachers in my school who are racist and that's nothing to do with what the DES says or does.

It's not up to the DES to police everything that happens in school. I'm a student teacher and I know how to deal with racism because it's common sense.

It's racist teachers (and parents) who are causing racism amongst students. Racist teachers are extremely damaging to a child's confidence and self-esteem and can cause educational disadvantage.

/end of serious rant

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

janeybabe wrote: »

Balls to that story. I'm in the ASTI (well I'm a student member and I haven't looked at the lovely CD they sent me out telling me all a about then but I filled in a form once!) and I can tell you that there are a lot of older teachers in my school who are racist and that's nothing to do with what the DES says or does.

It's not up to the DES to police everything that happens in school. I'm a student teacher and I know how to deal with racism because it's common sense.

It's racist teachers (and parents) who are causing racism amongst students. Racist teachers are extremely damaging to a child's confidence and self-esteem and can cause educational disadvantage.

/end of serious rant

Excellent rant. Sumlord? You read this? THIS is how you rant.

Wertz

I saw the piece on the news and frankly I'm with scumlord on this....basically the way I took it up is that teachers and their unions are saying that unless a sh*tload of money is pumpled into certain areas of education that pupils coming through the system now are going to grow up with racial hatred for other pupils, who they may see as being at an advantage/disadvantage because of favouritism, the lack of lessons in a given language or a whole host of other problems that a blind man could have seen coming down the line.
The opposite side of the coin here that ASTI and whoever else isn't seeing, is that indigenous Irish pupils who come out of the education system not as well off as perhaps they should have done, could turn around and harbour racial hatred torward immigrant pupils and their communities because more time/money was spent educating them than what was spent on the "natives"

As a I said in some other immigration thread way back when, we as a country (well the goverment and big business mainly) are more than willing to reap the benefits of an imported and relatively cheap labour force for short term economic gain but is either unwilling or unable to meet their new responsibilities WRT educating the children of those immigrants.
Wait till there's really no money in the coffers (come on Hannafin, we're not all stupid), then see the race riots erupt...and it won't just be in schools...

Rob_l

Wertz wrote: »

Wait till there's really no money in the coffers (come on Hannafin, we're not all stupid), then see the race riots erupt...and it won't just be in schools...

I dont foresee any race riots in Ireland in our recent future, I dont think we have created the necessary problems for such a terrible thing to happen.

How do you imagine these riots would begin?

Wertz

Recent future? :pac:

Anyway, lots of catalysts for trouble when things aren't so rosy economically...we're already creating ghettoes for many different nationalities and races, start taking jobs and relatively easy money out of the equation, lots of young men with time on their hands and less cash to spend, both native Irish and immigrants, throw drugs and the resulting social deprivation into the mix...plus the fact that we're still mono-cultural at heart no matter what the establishment would have you believe, and you have a recipe for racial tensions and perhaps an explosion of violence.
I'm a cynic at heart, I always expect the worst. Hopefully I'm wrong, but past performances in the UK show us treading the same paths as them if only 15-20 years behind...

Rob_l

Wertz wrote: »

Recent future? :pac:

Ah recent wasn't what i meant to type damn you brain

i meant near future:(

Rob_l

Wertz wrote: »

Anyway, lots of catalysts for trouble when things aren't so rosy economically...we're already creating ghettoes for many different nationalities and races, start taking jobs and relatively easy money out of the equation, lots of young men with time on their hands and less cash to spend, both native Irish and immigrants, throw drugs and the resulting social deprivation into the mix...plus the fact that we're still mono-cultural at heart no matter what the establishment would have you believe, and you have a recipe for racial tensions and perhaps an explosion of violence.
I'm a cynic at heart, I always expect the worst. Hopefully I'm wrong, but past performances in the UK show us treading the same paths as them if only 15-20 years behind...

I dont see the ghettoizing you do, it require more immigrants or descendants to be in one area it also then needs them to feel hostility against the host peopleI( for some percieved reason, vistimisation being made scapegoats) i dont see how this could be the case, sure there are isolated incidents but not mass occurrences of it

ScumLord

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Excellent rant. Sumlord? You read this? THIS is how you rant.

I don't know there's a distinct lack of fowl language, it wouldn't cut butter out here in the west.

I don't think Ireland will descend into race riots. Which is my point, this is the pc brigade **** stirring I've yet to see these acts of racism. There is a community of Brazilian and eastern Europeans in my small town who have integrated well enough. They don't go for the same pub scene as the Irish but we're not at each others throats.

Executive Steve

Rob_l wrote: »

How do you imagine these riots would begin?

A nine page thread on the After Hours board that later gets moved to "Humanities"


:pac:

gurramok

I think its more so in the cities.

Drimnagh as a past example and also the likes of D15 with white flight documented by the teachers themselves of natives taking their kids out of school and moving them to majority native schools. (thread on this in dub15 forum)

Also, having largely immigrant communities in primarily new housing estates from the boom rather than scattered in both 2nd hand and new ain't helping integration. (D15 as an example)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know there's a distinct lack of fowl language, it wouldn't cut butter out here in the west.

I don't think Ireland will descend into race riots. Which is my point, this is the pc brigade **** stirring I've yet to see these acts of racism. There is a community of Brazilian and eastern Europeans in my small town who have integrated well enough. They don't go for the same pub scene as the Irish but we're not at each others throats.

Ah, but you see it MADE A POINT. Yours didn't. Perhaps out west, swearing, rambling and going around in circles is seen as intellectual?

Dey Tuk Arrr Jarrbs!

But I have to agree with janeybaby, racist teachers and parents spawn racist pupils. I once had a teacher who was very anti-british. To be fair, he was an incredible teacher.

Toto Wolfcastle

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, but you see it MADE A POINT. Yours didn't. Perhaps out west, swearing, rambling and going around in circles is seen as intellectual?

LOL I'm going back west today to educate the masses in the art of ranting!

Piste

Now now, racism's a crime, and crime is for Romanians.

ScumLord

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, but you see it MADE A POINT. Yours didn't. Perhaps out west, swearing, rambling and going around in circles is seen as intellectual?

I did have a point! Damned PC bastids just making problems where there are none.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ScumLord wrote: »

I did have a point! Damned PC bastids just making problems where there are none.

Your initial post started off with complaining about inaccurate headlines and then went onto complain about someone giving children money for learning?

ScumLord

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Your initial post started off with complaining about inaccurate headlines and then went onto complain about someone giving children money for learning?

No, my initial post was about the crisis and in a later post I went on about how rtes website wasn't sensational enough for me to link to. So now for ya.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ScumLord wrote: »

No, my initial post was about the crisis and in a later post I went on about how rtes website wasn't sensational enough for me to link to. So now for ya.

Oh, right. I think.
So why children not deserve any money?

Rob_l

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, right. I think.
So why children not deserve any money?

damn children will take our jobs in the future thats why

Wertz

Rob_l wrote: »

damn children will take our jobs in the future thats why

They'd damn well better...someone has to pay for my pension :pac:

MIN2511

Thread title way OTT, bound to get everyone interested. Lets not start the racism rant... not worth the trouble...

twinQuins

I for one welcome our new pinko-leftist-bleeding-heart-terrorist-do-gooder-liberal-pansy overlords.

ScumLord

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, right. I think.
So why children not deserve any money?

Like Rob says someday they'll overthrow they're parents and then where will we be?