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Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Is Ronaldo the best player in the world?

    said before on here, best player in the world? no

    most effective player in the world? absolutely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Helix wrote: »
    said before on here, best player in the world? no

    Then Who?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Then Who?


    +1

    No matter how much dislike you have of him I'd like to see opinions of who people think is the best player in the world right now?
    We were talking about this last night watching the match and even the lads who always argue that he isn't the best were still saying he wasn't the best (because they'd choke trying to say it) but they were laughing when they were trying to come up with a decent answer to Who is then??

    P.S> I have agreed for a long time that he wasn't good enough to be considered No.1 but there's no doubt about it now.

    Why are bookies after putting him at 1/8 for pfa player of the year. Fabregas is miles behind in the betting. Two years in a row he will be EPL player of the year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    messi and kaka are better footballers than ronaldo, in that theyve got more well rounded games imo

    id have ronaldo in my team ahead of any of them tho, coz being an amazing footballer doesnt necessarily make you an effective one

    theres nobody on the planet right now anywhere near as effective as ronaldo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    maybe he is and maybe he isn't but a double against a woeful Bolton side at home isn't going to prove anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Helix wrote: »
    theres nobody on the planet right now anywhere near as effective as ronaldo

    Sums it up tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    I think its a bit pointless comparing how often ronaldo gets marked out of a game compared to someone like zidane. zidane was a central player, its much easier to dominate a game and to create space from the centre, scholes is a master but you dont say ronaldo gets marked out of a game more than scholes.

    Same for kaka, plays through the centre and messi to a lesser degree. Ronnie is a winger and I don't remember ANY winger that couldn't be marked out of a game (John o shea marked figo out of one!!!) or a winger who could DOMINATE a game, its just not for that position.

    I don't think he's the most rounded player going but by God he's the most effective! If its so easy to score against the "easy" teams why has no other winger scored 34 in donkeys years!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Helix wrote: »
    messi and kaka are better footballers than ronaldo, in that theyve got more well rounded games imo
    Kaka is a better player in the champions league but overall there is no way he is a better player. He won World player of the year last year on the strength of 6 games. He wasn't even the best player in Serie A that season (that was 34 goals from midfield Totti). Milan also finished 4th that year. This year Milan are 5th atm and just lost at home to the 6th placed team. They aren't scoring enough because kaka has been kack this season, not producing the passes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    youre mixing up skill and ability with effectivness of performance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I don't see how somebody could be the best footballer in the world without performing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Tauren wrote: »
    Arsenal, 4-2 win. Arsenal FACup final, yeah we lost but he was AMAZING. Liverpool on Rio's return, he tore liverpool's left side apart that night.

    i said the exact same thing and i was cut down too. face it, this lad starts a thread, thinks that because of this, he can deny everybody their right of opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I don't see how somebody could be the best footballer in the world without performing

    depends really

    what would people class "best" as? most effective? or the player with the most talent? or a cross between the 2?

    there are more talented, skillful, versatile, and intelligent players than ronaldo. there are players who perform in more big games than him. There are players better at distributing the ball and awareness of team mates. But what ronaldo has over everyone else, is that he uses exactly what he has to its maximum potential and its working amazingly, the guy is a phenomenon

    as ive said, theres no player in the world id rather have in my team, but do i think hes the best football player in the world? no

    simple as that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Why is it too much to ask that the supposed best player in the world shows his amazing talent and bosses games against big teams?? I cant believe that Liverpool fans in particular are so easily won over by the hype machine.

    +1

    I didn't realise people were so easily swayed by the likes of Keys and Redknapp.

    There is no doubt in my mind he is the best in England right now but to be regarded as the best in the world requires him to do it in major games outside of England.

    Some people on this thread want to pretend that he wasn't totally outclassed by Gattuso last season in the Champions League.

    Let him prove his class in Europe as Best once did before we proclaim him the greatest on the planet because he scores against the likes of Bolton and Derby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    He's bloody effective at dismantling rubbish teams, that's for sure


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Also, since when did Ronaldinho drop out of the best player in the world debate. better than messi IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Also, since when did Ronaldinho drop out of the best player in the world debate. better than messi IMO

    since he stopped performing pretty much, he'll be back up there if he gets his act together tho im sure


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    But surely by your logic he should be at the top or right beside it. After all, he has only stopped "performing"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    Some people on this thread want to pretend that he wasn't totally outclassed by Gattuso last season in the Champions League.
    .

    Its kinda annoying how people keep refering to this game. Is it the sole example of him not performing against a "big team". (I know more will be mentioned now :D).

    But milan as a team dominated united as a team. I keep hearing oh but keane against juve, but the fact is that united were always in that game as a team. Same applies to kaka, milan are rarely dominated as a team and when they are e.g. Arsenal then Kaka doesnt perform.

    Gattuso was a CM anyway, as mentioned before its easier to shine in the center as opposed to the wing where you're completely dependant on others.

    Is there any examples of games he hasnt shown up in this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Liverpool at Anfield.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Liverpool at Anfield.

    no player actually stood out that day. ronaldo had 1 moment of brilliance in that game that should have resulted in a goal, . gerrard and torres hardly got a kick all day, they offered nothing what so ever.

    if ronaldo scores on sunday, will people say he is the best player in the world? i dont think so, people will just keep judging him and looking for other excuses. personally, i think he will score, but it makes f**k all difference as whether he does or not, he will still be the best player in the world IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Indeed. Ferdinand completely dominated Torres that match for example. Playing the top teams generally means playing a higher quality opposition and this obviously has a knock on effect of making it harder to shine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    He's the best player in the world along with Kaka...

    But he has a long long way to go before we can class him " a phenomenon " like Zidane etc....

    I can understand why people dont want to call him " the best player in the world" because they are used to insanely good players like Zidane,Van Basten etc being the so called best in the world...

    He's at the same level Henry was in the unbeaten season imo, a beast and incredible to watch, but that didnt stop Henry flopping in the latter stages of the Champions League, Euro's and the World Cup 2 years later...

    Same/probably will happen Ronaldo...

    In that he will do it all the way up to the Semi's, but when the pressure is really on and your team is on the verge of being knocked out, he might not be able to make the difference...

    Something the best of the best have done many times...

    You are only the best, when you can beat the best and Ronaldo has done that yet...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Mad_Max wrote: »
    Its kinda annoying how people keep refering to this game. Is it the sole example of him not performing against a "big team". (I know more will be mentioned now :D).

    This is the kind of ridiculous hype I was referring to. That was the sole example of him not performing against a big team? Well just off the top of my head, what did he do against Chelsea in the FA Cup Final? People refer to the Milan game because it was his biggest occasion in Europe and the fact is he failed the test. Kaka did not. Gattuso did not.
    Mad_Max wrote:
    But milan as a team dominated united as a team.

    Yes indeed and Ronaldo was dominated as well. Great players influence major games.
    Mad_Max wrote:
    Gattuso was a CM anyway, as mentioned before its easier to shine in the center as opposed to the wing where you're completely dependant on others.

    LOL yeah so when Ronaldo consistently gave the ball away and produced nothing worthwhile in the match, that was the fault of United's central midfielders was it?

    The reality is last season people spoke of him being the 'world's best' and such claims were shown to be extremely premature following his Milan performance. IN EUROPE, he has not proven himself to be the world's best as yet and I would argue he needs to do so to achieve that title.

    Do I think he can manage this? Yes. Do I hope he manages it? Hell yes. But to say he's the best based purely upon Premier League matches is falling into the English hype machine in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    He's the best player in the world along with Kaka...

    But he has a long long way to go before we can class him " a phenomenon " like Zidane etc....

    I can understand why people dont want to call him " the best player in the world" because they are used to insanely good players like Zidane,Van Basten etc being the so called best in the world...

    He's at the same level Henry was in the unbeaten season imo, a beast and incredible to watch, but that didnt stop Henry flopping in the latter stages of the Champions League, Euro's and the World Cup 2 years later...

    Same/probably will happen Ronaldo...

    In that he will do it all the way up to the Semi's, but when the pressure is really on and your team is on the verge of being knocked out, he might not be able to make the difference...

    Something the best of the best have done many times...

    You are only the best, when you can beat the best and Ronaldo has done that yet...

    Have been thinking about this today myself. He is a strange mix. One of his best attributions is raw power and pace' he really does have phenominal pace for such a well built lad. This as you know will put you head and shoulders amongst most of the opposition. Not only that, but he has extremely fast feet and a boat load of tricks to go with them. He is also supremely confident at the moment. Those attributes combined will make you unstopable. He also has the gift of being in the right place at the right time. He is also good in the air.

    He is not incredibly gifted in the way that say Zidane, Ronaldhinio, Kaka or even maybe Messi is but he is alot more effective than some of them - even at their best. These players just effortlessly glide by players and don't seem to care what anyone else is doing. In the same way that Torres does it. Fabregas also.

    Gerard and Keane are as highly regarded for similar 'non sexy' reasons as Ronaldo. It is hard to put in words what I mean but I think that is why some have troubles admitting that Ronaldo is possibly the best in the world at present.

    Personally, I would prefer Ronaldo or Gerard in my team at the moment over Ronaldhinio or Kaka as you are gonna get alot more goals out of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    He is not incredibly gifted in the way that say Zidane, Ronaldhinio, Kaka or even maybe Messi is but he is alot more effective than some of them - even at their best.

    Gerard and Keane are as highly regarded for similar 'non sexy' reasons as Ronaldo. It is hard to put in words what I mean but I think that is why some have troubles admitting that Ronaldo is possibly the best in the world at present.

    Every one of these players you mention has done something Ronaldo has not. Know what it is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Win the champions league? Your point?

    His lack of Champions League medal is not solely down to him. Nor does the lack of medal mean he cannot be discussed alongside them.

    Djimi Traore has a ****ing CL medal. Does that mean I he is world class where Rio Ferdinand isn't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Win the champions league? Your point?

    My point is that these guys have helped win their team a European Cup and that we should wait and see if Ronaldo can do likewise before going OTT with the praise.

    Gerrard against Milan, Keane against Juve, truly epic performances against top sides and Ronaldo needs to produce similar imo to justify the 'Sky hype'.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    can someone name a better player in the world atm?
    Kaka isnt better this season
    neither is messi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Keane didn't win the Champions League and hell, Gerrard hasn't even won a premiership, does that prevent him from being a great in the english league?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    My point is that these guys have helped win their team a European Cup and that we should wait and see if Ronaldo can do likewise before going OTT with the praise.

    Gerrard against Milan, Keane against Juve, truly epic performances against top sides and Ronaldo needs to produce similar imo to justify the 'Sky hype'.

    They have.. I appreciate exactly what you are saying but I honestly cannot think of a more effective player this season. I think even United supports will openly admit that without his goals this season, United may not be 3 points in the lead at the top of the league.

    The top teams are involved in 2 world class competitions - the CL and EPL. Scoring a stupid amount of goals throughout the season, regardless of the opposition, and being a massive part of possible league success, has to be worth nearly as much.

    Ironically enough, Liverpool are regularly dismissed as merely a cup team with their recent successes in the CL used to dismiss their league credentials. Now Ronaldo's performances in the league are partially being dismissed due to his non performance in a CL final.. Baffles me to be honest.


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