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Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Well the UEFA Cup tells a different story. For sure the top four in the Premiership are the strongest unit in Europe. But they are the very teams that Ronaldo more often than not has struggled against. And the all of they lower teams were found out in the UEFA Cup. And that is not even talking about the pretty bad teams towards the bottom of the league who get nowhere near the FA Cup.

    Is a lot of this not done to poor tactical formations by fergie rather than
    Ronaldo playing poorly?
    Doesnt suit him to be isolated and limiting the runs of the full backs and
    being more defensive, which is what Fergie tends to do in Europe, shackles
    his attacking attributes.
    Anyway thats just my opinion.
    I think he is the reason that United will win the league.
    He is devestating and is by far the best player in the league.
    There is not much between the big 4 if you ask me on an 11v11 basis and
    its your 1 or 2 outstanding players that give you the edge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭hanton12


    IrishMike wrote: »
    To all the idiots that keep saying so what if he scored 33 goals this season,
    he has never done it against the big teams please shut the hell up.
    33 goals in a season for a winger is mindblowing, even if he got 20 of them in
    the FA cup against 3rd division teams.
    Just because its a Man Utd player people are begrudging.
    He is an amazing player who would walk into any team in the world and
    will be world player of the year.
    And to the person who said id like to see how he will do against Roma or
    another big team, he scored twice against them last year in 1 match.
    How much more of an impact do u want.
    Damn stupid baseless arguments :rolleyes:
    To make things worse i dont even like Man Utd or Ronaldo but i can
    appreciate a top class player when i see one

    apart form calling me an idiot and having stupid baseless arguments, I'll try have a discussion with you without personal insults.

    If you actually read what I wrote without getting blinded by hatred that anything bad about Ronaldo must be terrible you would see what I am saying is that I think he is a world class player, and one of the best if not the best in the world right now.

    What I am getting across is that if/when he starts producing the goods against bigger and better teams and making a difference in important games, then there will be no arguments over his reputation.

    At the moment, he really hasnt done much in a big game. Yeah, he scored twice against Roma, in a 7-1 victory. hardly a game winning performance or vital to Utd that night.

    What I mean is a performance like keane against Juve, Gerrard against *******kos, Kaka v Man Utd, Zidane v Brazil, ie big time players who did it in big games consistently when they were needed to step up to the mark and make a difference.

    Its well and good doing it against Bolton, Fulham, Derby etc, and fair play to him for his scoring against these teams as he consistently plays well in the majority of Utd's games against weaker opposition when others are a bit lazy, but I'd like to see him adding this capability in the latter stages of the CL, or in the run in now when he plays Liverpool and Chelsea, and then justify why he can be considered the best in the world right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Re, the UEFA cup, the teams that knocked out the english teams this week, PSV and Sporting were dropped down from the CL, Fiorentina have a good chance of being in the CL next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭pd101


    Ronaldo is a very good player who is having an exceptional season, but to hear Rednapp comparing him to Tiger Woods is a joke. Almost broke the remote as I changed channel. There is no one in world sport, maybe apart from Federer, at the moment close to Woods, never mind in football.

    That lad on Sky Sports News this morning had it right. He ranked the likes of George Best above Ronaldo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I wonder- arguably the standard in the premiership was a lot poorer when Best set that record.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Ronaldo > Kaka ???? Not too sure about that

    but...

    Ronaldo > Anybody THIS SEASON

    nobody can deny that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    SetantaL wrote: »
    I wonder- arguably the standard in the premiership was a lot poorer when Best set that record.

    Well perhaps... it is hard to say. But I dont think that there was that much of a gap between teams at the top and the bottom so I assume it would have been more of a competitive league. Plus there was a lot more targeting of skillful players like Best who opposition players often attempted to kick out of the game without much censure from the referees. Plus the pitches would not have been as good or suited to skillful players like Ronaldo or Best.

    So I think all in all it was probably a much bigger achievement to score that many goals in 1968 than it is today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭themont85


    Maybe Ronaldo doesn't get the goals in the 'big' games because teams like Chelsea double mark him with better players than the lower league. This creates more space for other players, that shows what an effective player he is. He bags the most goals out of any winger in the world and draws more players attention to himself. I think he's the best in the world atm and I think anyone doubting him just don't like his demeaner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    what with this big game rubbish.Torres is probably the best striker this season,he has only scored against chealski and himself and gerrard have now in the last 7 games put liverpool within chasing distance of chelski's premier league 3rd spot.

    you dont win the premier league playing the top 4,you win it playing the other teams.

    Utd fans constantly tell me gerrard has single handedly kept liverpool in the top 4,he has and now you have ronaldo keeping you in the title race>you will probably win the title this year,if you didnt have ronaldo,you would not have won it.simple as,rooney and tevez have been attrocius,nani has scored a handfull and anderson none,i believe.

    where are the goals coming from?ronaldo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    I missed that on sky, but FFS what a statement, Ronaldo has won nothing compared to Tiger woods, Tiger woods changed his swing and had a bad patch now he's winning everything again for the second time around, Ronaldo, or any footballer bar Ian St John or a Legend is not fit to even polish his balls.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    themont85 wrote: »
    Maybe Ronaldo doesn't get the goals in the 'big' games because teams like Chelsea double mark him with better players than the lower league. This creates more space for other players, that shows what an effective player he is. He bags the most goals out of any winger in the world and draws more players attention to himself. I think he's the best in the world atm and I think anyone doubting him just don't like his demeaner.

    But that is exactly the point! Did you ever see anybody double mark Zidane out of a game? Nope me neither... Because he was just so good that it didnt matter how many defenders tried to mark him he would always find space for something great. The knoc on Ronaldo IS that he can be marked out of big games.

    dc69 wrote:
    what with this big game rubbish.Torres is probably the best striker this season,he has only scored against chealski and himself and gerrard have now in the last 7 games put liverpool within chasing distance of chelski's premier league 3rd spot.

    you dont win the premier league playing the top 4,you win it playing the other teams.

    Yeah but you win the title of best footballer in the world against the top four and the best in Europe. Which Ronaldo has not done to any extent.

    I'm am actually banging my head against the desk here. For the last ****ing time nobody and certainly not me is arguing that Ronaldo has not been immense in the premiership this year or that he is a bad player. Just that he cannot be called the best in the world until he proves himself against top quality opposition.

    Why is that so difficult to comprehend?????:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    hanton12 wrote: »
    apart form calling me an idiot and having stupid baseless arguments, I'll try have a discussion with you without personal insults.

    I said to all the people that said Ronaldo has not done it against the big
    teams and so what if he has scored 33 goals this season.
    It was a generalisation and probably shouldnt have quoted your post specifically.
    Apologies

    But to say im blinded by hatred ? what the hell are you talking about
    Im a liverpool fan talking about how good a united player is, where on earth is there room for
    me to be blinded by hatred????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Games played by Cristiano Ronaldo in 2007/2008 Goals Cards
    05-08-2007 FA Community Shield Chelsea 1-1 Man Utd 0
    12-08-2007 English Premier Man Utd 0-0 Reading 0
    15-08-2007 English Premier Portsmouth 1-1 Man Utd 0
    15-09-2007 English Premier Everton 0-1 Man Utd 0
    19-09-2007 European Cup Sporting Lisbon 0-1 Man Utd 1
    23-09-2007 English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Chelsea 0
    29-09-2007 English Premier Birmingham 0-1 Man Utd 1
    02-10-2007 European Cup Man Utd 1-0 Roma 0
    06-10-2007 English Premier Man Utd 4-0 Wigan 2
    20-10-2007 English Premier Aston Villa 1-4 Man Utd 0
    23-10-2007 European Cup Dynamo Kiev 2-4 Man Utd 2
    27-10-2007 English Premier Man Utd 4-1 Middlesbro 0
    03-11-2007 English Premier Arsenal 2-2 Man Utd 1
    07-11-2007 European Cup Man Utd 4-0 Dynamo Kiev 1
    11-11-2007 English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Blackburn 2
    27-11-2007 European Cup Man Utd 2-1 Sporting Lisbon 1
    03-12-2007 English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Fulham 2
    08-12-2007 English Premier Man Utd 4-1 Derby 1
    16-12-2007 English Premier Liverpool 0-1 Man Utd 0
    23-12-2007 English Premier Man Utd 2-1 Everton 2
    26-12-2007 English Premier Sunderland 0-4 Man Utd 1
    29-12-2007 English Premier West Ham 2-1 Man Utd 1
    01-01-2008 English Premier Man Utd 1-0 Birmingham 0
    05-01-2008 English FA Cup Aston Villa 0-2 Man Utd 1
    12-01-2008 English Premier Man Utd 6-0 Newcastle 3
    19-01-2008 English Premier Reading 0-2 Man Utd 1
    27-01-2008 English FA Cup Man Utd 3-1 Tottenham 2
    30-01-2008 English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Portsmouth 2
    02-02-2008 English Premier Tottenham 1-1 Man Utd 0
    10-02-2008 English Premier Man Utd 1-2 Man City 0
    20-02-2008 European Cup Lyon 1-1 Man Utd 0
    23-02-2008 English Premier Newcastle 1-5 Man Utd 2
    01-03-2008 English Premier Fulham 0-3 Man Utd 0
    04-03-2008 European Cup Man Utd 1-0 Lyon 1
    08-03-2008 English FA Cup Man Utd 0-1 Portsmouth 0
    15-03-2008 English Premier Derby 0-1 Man Utd 1
    19-03-2008 English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Bolton 2

    someone made a stupid statement about his european goals tally, he is our top scorer this season and has scored in almost every game in europe this season. so that statement is obviously bollox.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    dc69 wrote: »
    what with this big game rubbish.Torres is probably the best striker this season,he has only scored against chealski and himself and gerrard have now in the last 7 games put liverpool within chasing distance of chelski's premier league 3rd spot.

    you dont win the premier league playing the top 4,you win it playing the other teams.

    Utd fans constantly tell me gerrard has single handedly kept liverpool in the top 4,he has and now you have ronaldo keeping you in the title race>you will probably win the title this year,if you didnt have ronaldo,you would not have won it.simple as,rooney and tevez have been attrocius,nani has scored a handfull and anderson none,i believe.

    where are the goals coming from?ronaldo


    ah hang on now, would you ever listen to yourself? tevez has been immense this season and up until Torres hit his purple patch a couple of weeks ago and scored a couple of hattricks he and Tevez both had 15 goals, which i think is a good return for a first year,and you werent saying Torres has been atrocious then were you? im sure Tevez will reach 20 this year and that will be phenomenal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    I don't think that anybody would realistically argue that any of those teams besides Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea are world class. And he has one goal and no great performances against them.

    Now obviously it is not his fault that Utd have only played those 3 world class teams this year. But as others have mentioned he hardly covered himself in glory last year against the bigger teams such as Milan. Hopefully he will do some great things in the next few weeks. But until then he should not be hailed as in the same universe as Tiger Woods!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Well I think there's one thing everyone can agree on.

    There is no other player in the world you would prefer to have in a league campaign.

    Anyone who doesn't agree with that frankly is just absurd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    you can only beat whats put in front of you, simple as. he has pretty much beat everything in front of him this year and i really hope he it continues


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    kryogen wrote: »
    ah hang on now, would you ever listen to yourself? tevez has been immense this season and up until Torres hit his purple patch a couple of weeks ago and scored a couple of hattricks he and Tevez both had 15 goals, which i think is a good return for a first year,and you werent saying Torres has been atrocious then were you? im sure Tevez will reach 20 this year and that will be phenomenal.

    ok that was a bit strong but I definitely feel rooney has been terrible esp with the hype that still surrounds him.I still stick by the ronaldo winning it for u statement though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    PHB wrote: »
    absurd.

    such a beautiful word, and good use of it here imo!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    dc69 wrote: »
    ok that was a bit strong but I definitely feel rooney has been terrible esp with the hype that still surrounds him.I still stick by the ronaldo winning it for u statement though


    anybody who frequents the united thread will know im not the biggest rooney fan, personally i dont think the lad can finish his dinner most of the time, but he is very important to the team, he gives us shape and grit when we play and he is still chipping in with goals so i guess i cant complain. i close my eyes when i see him put through one on one though, and pray he turn into RVN for the next 5 seconds


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    woooo232 wrote: »


    Well the UEFA Cup tells a different story. For sure the top four in the Premiership are the strongest unit in Europe. But they are the very teams that Ronaldo more often than not has struggled against. And the all of they lower teams were found out in the UEFA Cup. And that is not even talking about the pretty bad teams towards the bottom of the league who get nowhere near the FA Cup.
    .

    The Uefa cup doesn't reaqlly tell much of a different story. 2 of the teams were knocked out on penalties which doesn't reflect on the strenght of a league and the other team played reserve players in the away leg and were barely beaten. Penalties are no indication of a teams strenght
    woooo232 wrote: »
    That is some statement!! Did you see the semi-final last year in Milan? It sure looked to me that out of the two of them it was Kaka that was the real deal
    .

    You don't watch Serie A do you? I can tell because you sound as if you think Kaka is phenomenal. On his day he is but too often he is just a passenger watching Milan lose at home to worse teams, like yesterday Milan lost to a team who didn't have there superstar at the San Siro. It has happened alot this season because they believed in Kaka's hype too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭hanton12


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Apologies

    But to say im blinded by hatred ? what the hell are you talking about?


    apology noted, and the reason why I said what I did was because in your opening line, while quoting my piece, you called me an idiot and said to shut the hell up. thats why I said what I did, and maybe you can see why I thought as much. but can leave it at that tho.

    In general, I dont think people are getting what I am saying, or what wooo232 is trying to say either.

    i am not saying Ronaldo isnt world class, or arguably isnt the best in the world right now. But he hasnt done it in a hugely vital game yet, and that includes this season.

    i dont know if kryogen was talking about my stupid statement that is bollox about his European goals tally, all I can ask is what is his goal tally for Man utd in knock out stages? up until this year including the league stages he had a sum total of 4 goals in 27 games. Thats hardly impressive, for a player being branded the best in the world.

    I have stated that in my post that this season his league form has been completely different and obviously a marked difference this year. He has 6 goals in 7 games, doing far better in the CL this year than in his previous 3 years. If he carries through this form in the knowck out stages, then there can be no arguments or any dispute against his ability.

    All I am saying is I want to see Ronaldo doing it in the big games, making some sort of impression, as far too often he doesnt carry through his form against bigger sides. He undoubtadly has the ability, and has shown he is the best player in the premiership this season, but to be remembered as one of the greats, you really have to do it on the biggest stage against the biggest teams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭smok


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Well the UEFA Cup tells a different story. For sure the top four in the Premiership are the strongest unit in Europe. But they are the very teams that Ronaldo more often than not has struggled against. And the all of they lower teams were found out in the UEFA Cup. And that is not even talking about the pretty bad teams towards the bottom of the league who get nowhere near the FA Cup.
    What story does the uefa cup tell?
    combine teams in the Uefa and in the champions league and English teams still out number.
    Germany have 2 teams left in the Uefa.
    Also, Spurs and Everton were unlucky to be beaten in the UEFA, both going out on penalties. Sure Middlesborough under Steve McLaren got to the final.

    Waht is more, You are completely ignoring the point that Ronaldo is the top scorer in the champions league as well ... or are you trying to tell us all that the Uefa is stronger than the Champions league?

    Finally - Ronaldo has been brilliant against top 4 teams in the past. Yeah he has been quiet recently, heavily marked out of it, but where are you getting struggled from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    smok wrote: »

    Finally - Ronaldo has been brilliant against top 4 teams in the past. Yeah he has been quiet recently, heavily marked out of it, but where are you getting struggled from?

    Name the games against the top four which Ronaldo dominated...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭The_B_Man
    Something about sandwiches


    Theres probably no games he dominated against the other top 4...mainly coz they stick at least 2 top 4 first team defenders on him at all times!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Name the games against the top four which Ronaldo dominated...

    Arsenal, 4-2 win. Arsenal FACup final, yeah we lost but he was AMAZING. Liverpool on Rio's return, he tore liverpool's left side apart that night. Can't think of performances against Chelsea to be fair.

    I would also point out Roma at home last season, absolutely immense. Fulham away last season, winning it for us at the last. Everton away last season, changing the game when he came on. all MASSIVE games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭smok


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Name the games against the top four which Ronaldo dominated...
    I didnt say he dominated - I said he didnt struggle. You said he struggled - I said he didnt. You focus on one of my points and try to change the focus around it as rebuttle and in doing so ignore the other valid points. I would say that effectively makes you answerless.
    he has played well against chelsea last season and this season, against Arsenal this season. I have seen him have clas games against Arsenal and Liverpool in the past.
    Also I believe there are often mitigating factors when he is quiet. Liverpool this season he was tactically placed as the leading man for the entire second half for United to hit with passes. The game plan was to soak up the pressure which they did easily. He was a tool used with success for that purpose. He did it for the team (as did Rooney who was equally quiet) ahead of his own glory.


  • Posts: 8,092 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I must say I dont like the guy but he has turned into some player this year and has to be respected for that. Class act - no Emile Heskey but a class act ;)


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Trilla wrote: »
    such a beautiful word, and good use of it here imo!

    Until this word performs consistanly against other world class words I don't think it can be put in the same bracket at all :rolleyes: ;):D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Where to start...

    The_B_Man wrote: »
    Theres probably no games he dominated against the other top 4...mainly coz they stick at least 2 top 4 first team defenders on him at all times!!

    See my earlier point

    "Did you ever see anybody double mark Zidane out of a game? Nope me neither... Because he was just so good that it didnt matter how many defenders tried to mark him he would always find space for something great. The knoc on Ronaldo IS that he can be marked out of big games."
    Tauren wrote: »
    Arsenal, 4-2 win. Arsenal FACup final, yeah we lost but he was AMAZING. Liverpool on Rio's return, he tore liverpool's left side apart that night. Can't think of performances against Chelsea to be fair.

    I would also point out Roma at home last season, absolutely immense. Fulham away last season, winning it for us at the last. Everton away last season, changing the game when he came on. all MASSIVE games.

    I've already dealt with most of those games further back in the thread and I am not arsed cutting and pasting my previous reply. As for Everton and Fulham... they may have been massive games but they were not against world class opposition which is what this thread is about.
    smok wrote: »
    I didnt say he dominated - I said he didnt struggle. You said he struggled - I said he didnt. You focus on one of my points and try to change the focus around it as rebuttle and in doing so ignore the other valid points. I would say that effectively makes you answerless. He has played well against chelsea last season and this season, against Arsenal this season. I have seen him have clas games against Arsenal and Liverpool in the past.

    No I said that more often than not he struggles against the top four. I stand by that. He has had some a couple of good displays but more often than not he is pretty anonymous against the top four or big teams in the Champions League.
    An Fhile wrote: »
    Until this word performs consistanly against other world class words I don't think it can be put in the same bracket at all

    :D:D:D


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