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Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    As the saying goes, "self praise and praise from Jamie Redknapp is no praise"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    I must say I found Redknapp **** like he did cringeworthy but the guy just hit his 33rd goal of the season, fecking madness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    redknapp, as a pundit, is getting better, he may be a little ott at times, but give him time ;)

    Keys on the other hand..... :(


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    In fairness it was Ronaldo's free kick that confuddled the crap out of Reina "The best keeper ev0r, way better than VDS" which lead to O'Shea's winning goal at Anfield last year. You cannot say that he doesn't have at least one telling moment in a game. He scored against Arsenal at Highbury, Lyon at OT, put the ball on a plate for Rooney to score at Anfield...

    That is what great players are made of...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    PORNAPSTER wrote: »
    In fairness it was Ronaldo's free kick that confuddled the crap out of Reina "The best keeper ev0r, way better than VDS" which lead to O'Shea's winning goal at Anfield last year. You cannot say that he doesn't have at least one telling moment in a game. He scored against Arsenal at Highbury, Lyon at OT, put the ball on a plate for Rooney to score at Anfield...

    That is what great players are made of...

    Lots of very good Utd players have scored against Liverpool and Arsenal. That was not justification for them being hailed as the best player in the world and as sporting icons alongside Tiger Woods. Or in the same class as Best, Law or Charlton.

    Now Ronaldo has scored 33 goals this season and a lot of goals last year too and he has torn a lot of poor teams apart. But all I am saying is that at the very least he needs some dominating displays against the bigger teams to justify the hype that he is receiving. And that simply hasnt happened yet.

    For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Lots of very good Utd players have scored against Liverpool and Arsenal. That was not justification for them being hailed as the best player in the world and as sporting icons alongside Tiger Woods. Or in the same class as Best, Law or Charlton.

    Now Ronaldo has scored 33 goals this season and a lot of goals last year too and he has torn a lot of poor teams apart. But all I am saying is that at the very least he needs some dominating displays against the bigger teams to justify the hype that he is receiving. And that simply hasnt happened yet.

    For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.

    So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    DSB wrote: »
    So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.

    No it is not. Tearing Bolton apart is not enough to be hailed as the best player in the world.

    When did being able to dance around bad premiership defenders become the criteria for becoming the best player in the world??? Surely your standards are higher than that?!

    I am not saying that Ronaldo won't achieve it. He has all the natural ability to become a legend of the game. But that he hasn't achieved that status yet and the hype is ridiculous.


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    woooo232 wrote: »
    For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.
    And it is only a matter of time before he does... But even then it won't be enough for some people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    PORNAPSTER wrote: »
    And it is only a matter of time before he does... But even then it won't be enough for some people.

    It will be enough for me! I really hope that Ronaldo pulls off something similar soon (preferably on Sunday!) Until then I cringe everytime I hear the likes of Redknapp or Shearer compare him to Tiger Woods or Marradonna or whatever ridiculous comparison they dream up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    DSB wrote:
    So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.

    His point is that Ronaldo has to do it against the big teams on the grandest stage. Why is that point so objectionable to people?

    Roy Keane put in an outstanding display against Juventus in the CL semi-final in 1999 which helped put the team into the final. It's performances like that which Ronaldo needs to produce to be considered 'the best in the world'.

    When he came up against Milan last season Gattuso stifled him and Kaka came out of the tie as the star.

    In my opinion, and in a lot of people's opinion, Ronaldo needs to be the star man in such big game scenarios. He hasn't been thus far. Let's hope he is in the next few weeks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    I don't think any Utd fan cares about how ronaldo performs in big games so long as Utd win them.

    Historically, United have always done well against the big sides in head to heads.. that hasn't been their downfall in the league..

    It's the little fish which have caused us problems...

    Ronaldo ended the match with 20 minutes gone tonight. Wasn't a great United side out, didn't play great and had it not been for him, who knows what could have happened...

    I wound't go writing off these matches as nothing matches.. they mean every bit as much as 3 points against Arsenal or Chelsea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    Maybe as a liverpool fan my view is unbiased,so i can sort this out.

    :Christiano Roaldo is the best player in the world this year,like he was last year and if he doesnt win the world player of the year award this year,its a joke.

    (although stevie G has never even been nominated and Fatty Frank lampard came 2nd in 05,so its obviously bollox:))


    Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players such as ronaldo.
    If he played in Spain or Italy he would run amuck,simple as.He would show how much better he is than messi(at least last 2 seasons),who is just mysterious because he has never played in the premiership,so he has a mystic about him.

    He has also been Utd's talisman this season and has single handedly won matches,like tonight.he doesnt get enough credit for that role either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    dc69 wrote: »
    Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players.

    1. La Liga is generally regarded as a better standard league than the EPL.

    2. It has NEVER been easy to score in Itlay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    1. La Liga is generally regarded as a better standard league than the EPL.

    Yea but you can't say you don't think it would be easier for ronaldo to strut his stuff in spain. The league isn't renowned for defensive displays, which was yer man's point I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    dc69 wrote: »
    Maybe as a liverpool fan my view is unbiased,so i can sort this out.

    :Christiano Roaldo is the best player in the world this year,like he was last year and if he doesnt win the world player of the year award this year,its a joke.

    (although stevie G has never even been nominated and Fatty Frank lampard came 2nd in 05,so its obviously bollox:))


    Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players such as ronaldo.
    If he played in Spain or Italy he would run amuck,simple as.He would show how much better he is than messi(at least last 2 seasons),who is just mysterious because he has never played in the premiership,so he has a mystic about him.

    He has also been Utd's talisman this season and has single handedly won matches,like tonight.he doesnt get enough credit for that role either.


    +1 even though im a liverpool fan :D
    Totally agree on the world player of the year thing btw.

    On another note should the 3 nominations for this year not be ronaldo, torres
    and gerrard or is that just my very liverpool tinted glasses talkin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭neacy69


    IrishMike wrote: »
    +1 even though im a liverpool fan :D
    Totally agree on the world player of the year thing btw.

    On another note should the 3 nominations for this year not be ronaldo, torres
    and gerrard or is that just my very liverpool tinted glasses talkin?

    Ronaldo - should definitely get nominated and win
    Torres- Deserves a nomination
    Gerrard- not a chance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    These threads and you people, all begrugers, are seriously pissing me off.
    Ronaldo has 33 goals for a wide man and has just beaten George Bests 40 year record of goals in a season for a winger and you're still moaning. But he has to do it against the big teams. Me arse!
    That record Best had is pretty good, I'm no Maths genius so correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm pretty sure he didn't score all 32 goals against the top teams. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
    If Ronaldo scored a goal per game against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and scored no more for the rest of the season you'd be satisfied I'm sure and say he's a great player? No, you'd piss and moan about the fact he isn't consistent enough with his scoring. He's now the most consistent scorer in the world at the moment and you're still finding fault. Fact is he's scored a stupid amount of goals and won several games on his own for his team who sit top of their league. If he were a Liverpool or Arsenal player, the opinions of people would be hugely different. If he was with Barcelona or Milan you wouldn't be arguing your 'point' either. I guarantee that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    neacy69 wrote: »
    Gerrard- not a chance

    +1 for the first 20 games he went around looking like he was in a huff.

    Ronaldo FTW


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    These threads and you people, all begrugers, are seriously pissing me off. Ronaldo has 33 goals for a wide man and has just beaten George Bests 40 year record of goals in a season for a winger and you're still moaning. But he has to do it against the big teams. Me arse!
    That record Best had is pretty good, I'm no Maths genius so correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm pretty sure he didn't score all 32 goals against the top teams. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
    If Ronaldo scored a goal per game against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and scored no more for the rest of the season you'd be satisfied I'm sure and say he's a great player? No, you'd piss and moan about the fact he isn't consistent enough with his scoring. He's now the most consistent scorer in the world at the moment and you're still finding fault. Fact is he's scored a stupid amount of goals and won several games on his own for his team who sit top of their league. If he were a Liverpool or Arsenal player, the opinions of people would be hugely different. If he was with Barcelona or Milan you wouldn't be arguing your 'point' either. I guarantee that.


    I was going to say something to this effect, except maybe without the highlighted parts. I've always found arguments more convincing when such irrelevent words aren't used...

    Anywho, Ronaldo has been consistantly stunning for close to 2 full seasons, and even for 2 seasons before that he was making headlines. Ok, so he hasn't put in a Maradona -vs- England performance yet, but when you see how he influences games week after week you have to admit he's as talented as any of the Premiership era greats. George Best and Bobby Charlton will always be remembered as some of the greatest of all time. So will the likes of Cantona, Zola at Chelsea, Shearer at Newcastle, Henry at Arsenal (none of whom ever won a Champions League with an English club.) If Ronaldo keeps taking care of himself (who wouldn't want that body?!?!:eek:) and avoids the behaviour that ruined Best and Maradona, he will soon be held in equal estime to these players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Why is it too much to ask that the supposed best player in the world shows his amazing talent and bosses games against big teams?? I cant believe that Liverpool fans in particular are so easily won over by the hype machine.

    ANd not many people in this thread are complaining about Ronaldo's ability. Just rightly pointing out that to justify his reputation he seriously needs some big performances in big games.

    And bollox to that whole nonsense about every Utd game is a big game rubbish. It is just Sky trying to hype up games against mediocre teams like Bolton. They only become big games if the likes of Utd and Chelsea don't turn up.

    Look it was equally ridiculous when the likes of Dunphy were calling Ronaldo a nothing player and a birdbrain. But it is equally nonsensical that ppl are comparing him to sporting icons just because he has scored a lot of goals against mediocre opposition.

    And when Geroge Best scored his 32 goals he was getting kicked off the park and he never complained. No matter what Ferguson says the game has changed a lot and players like Ronaldo are much more protected. (which is of course a good thing!)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭hanton12


    Are people talking about the Premiership player of the year or the world player of the year, or is it just that people on here think its the same thing? There's more to world football than the top 4 teams in England.

    Ronaldo is a great player, there is absolutely no denying that. But what has he achieved in big games. His record against the top 4 is average at best, and the CL has been a poor hunting ground for him, not really doing much. This year he has scored a good few goals in the league stage, so by that alone, his form this year has gone up. But its now that it counts, and I'd like to see how he does against Roma, and then should Utd get through, how he would do in subsequent games.

    As great and all as I think Ronaldo is at winning 'tough' games against Fulham and Bolton, its only when he starts being the match winner against the like of the top 4 and the top sides in Europe where he'll get his recognition justified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    Your standing in game isn't based on your performances against 3 teams. It's based on your performances consistently over a season against everyone.
    With that he is the best player in the world this season.
    He's not Tiger Woods, he's not Maradonna or Pele. So what? He is the best player in the world this season. Anyone who disputes that is missing something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    hanton12 wrote: »
    Are people talking about the Premiership player of the year or the world player of the year, or is it just that people on here think its the same thing? There's more to world football than the top 4 teams in England.

    Ronaldo is a great player, there is absolutely no denying that. But what has he achieved in big games. His record against the top 4 is average at best, and the CL has been a poor hunting ground for him, not really doing much. This year he has scored a good few goals in the league stage, so by that alone, his form this year has gone up. But its now that it counts, and I'd like to see how he does against Roma, and then should Utd get through, how he would do in subsequent games.

    To all the idiots that keep saying so what if he scored 33 goals this season,
    he has never done it against the big teams please shut the hell up.
    33 goals in a season for a winger is mindblowing, even if he got 20 of them in
    the FA cup against 3rd division teams.
    Just because its a Man Utd player people are begrudging.
    He is an amazing player who would walk into any team in the world and
    will be world player of the year.
    And to the person who said id like to see how he will do against Roma or
    another big team, he scored twice against them last year in 1 match.
    How much more of an impact do u want.
    Damn stupid baseless arguments :rolleyes:
    To make things worse i dont even like Man Utd or Ronaldo but i can
    appreciate a top class player when i see one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I hate United.

    I hate Ronaldo as a personality.

    But as a soccer player, he is a genius. People need to seperate the petulant diving portugese brat hate from the mind blowing ability he has.

    People are still talking about Roberto Carlos's banana free kick for Brazil but Ronaldos unstoppable bullet this season hasn't been mentioned since. People don't like Ronaldo, but disliking him and trying to turn that dislike into petualant understatement of his obvious talent are too different things.

    He is the best player in the world atm. Hands down. He didn't just break Best's record- can anyone else name a winger from any team that has scored over 30 in a season - and more to come.

    Here is his record.

    For 2007-2008 he has
    Premiership Domestic cups Champions League Total
    Apps Goals Assts Apps Goals Assts Apps Goals Assts Apps Goals Assts

    2007-08 26 24 3 3 3 0 7 6 1 36 33 4

    That is unbelievable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭smok


    woooo232 wrote: »
    Why is it too much to ask that the supposed best player in the world shows his amazing talent and bosses games against big teams?? I cant believe that Liverpool fans in particular are so easily won over by the hype machine.

    ANd not many people in this thread are complaining about Ronaldo's ability. Just rightly pointing out that to justify his reputation he seriously needs some big performances in big games.

    And bollox to that whole nonsense about every Utd game is a big game rubbish. It is just Sky trying to hype up games against mediocre teams like Bolton. They only become big games if the likes of Utd and Chelsea don't turn up.

    Look it was equally ridiculous when the likes of Dunphy were calling Ronaldo a nothing player and a birdbrain. But it is equally nonsensical that ppl are comparing him to sporting icons just because he has scored a lot of goals against mediocre opposition.

    And when Geroge Best scored his 32 goals he was getting kicked off the park and he never complained. No matter what Ferguson says the game has changed a lot and players like Ronaldo are much more protected. (which is of course a good thing!)

    Did you say you are a United fan? I am guessing you arent, which is fair enough, but I think it is bitterness that you shred the guy based on one area he falls short on. What the chap has achieved and done for United is incredible. I have been watching United for years now and never before has a single player don more for United. I include Cantona in that. Incredible goal tally but more notable is the amount of crucial goals he scores. Its at a level that nobody else in the world is at and he has been doing it consistantly for two seasons straight. That for me makes him the best in the world. Maybe he hasnt been man of the match against them but he has been bloody good against them as well. Bloody good in his last two international tournaments as well. If you are a United fan then dont be too greedy with Ronaldo - if he doesnt improve one iota then I wont be complaining because we have a gem. Worry about the other players on the team.

    Thiery Henry at his best was much the same in big games, but he was still the best in the world.
    Mr Alan wrote: »
    hold on a sec homer?! ultimeate footballer?

    did i miss something when they removed tackles, tracking back etc were removed from the game?

    Best player in the world at the minute-most definately, but lets not pretend that he is a "complete footballer" by any means.

    Lets not be too trite - as a foward player he is complete. People have said that about a number of forwards before - they didnt then discard it because his goalkeeping skills at corners werent up to spec!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I don't really think that there's any doubt that the EPL is the best league in Europe this year (4 out of 8 ain't bad) and Ronaldo has been phenomenal this year. I'm Chelsea til' I die but hats off to him, his talent more than makes up for his personality. There is no doubt in my mind that he is better than Kaka, who only plays well in the Champions League and I don't see enough of Messi to comment but I have always rated him ahead.

    Also, I don't really think it matters that much that he doesn't pull it out on the big games in England, not many do. he is consistent which is far more important and has won at least 5 games single handedly this season for Man Utd. He has been the best in World football over the past two years. Portugal had a great showing in the World Cup, he was Man Utd's best player when they won the premiership that year despite fans baying for his blood, Man Utd got to the semi's in the Champions League (i think) and this year he hasn't put a foot wrong.

    Hype is Kaka,Ronaldo is reality


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭gustavo


    e

    ronaldo is currently the best player in the world. that is fact.

    anyway, why another ronaldo thread, there seems to be one now every week!

    How can something so subjective be a fact?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    gustavo wrote: »
    How can something so subjective be a fact?

    Name someone who has played better this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    smok wrote: »
    Did you say you are a United fan? I am guessing you arent, which is fair enough, but I think it is bitterness that you shred the guy based on one area he falls short on.

    I am a Man Utd fan though... Like I have said in almost every post I think what Ronaldo has done this year and last year has been brilliant. But just because I am Utd fan does not mean that I lose all sense of context. I never said that Ronaldo wasnt one of the best players around. Just that he should not be compared with the likes of Best, Law, Charlton or even Keane until he bosses big games as well as the ones against lower opposition.
    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I don't really think that there's any doubt that the EPL is the best league in Europe this year (4 out of 8 ain't bad) and Ronaldo has been phenomenal this year.

    Well the UEFA Cup tells a different story. For sure the top four in the Premiership are the strongest unit in Europe. But they are the very teams that Ronaldo more often than not has struggled against. And the all of they lower teams were found out in the UEFA Cup. And that is not even talking about the pretty bad teams towards the bottom of the league who get nowhere near the FA Cup.
    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Hype is Kaka,Ronaldo is reality

    That is some statement!! Did you see the semi-final last year in Milan? It sure looked to me that out of the two of them it was Kaka that was the real deal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,985 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Ronaldo is a bottler, and will never be any good, even if he single handedly wins the PL/CL/Euros/WC on his own, with a broken leg. ;)

    It's just fashionable to belittle him, when in reality any team would give their right ball to have him play.

    He's quiet in some big games, because he doesn't get the ball as much, as drops a little deeper, he can't be expected to run from his own box and beat 10 players every game :)

    Silly argument in fairness, he'll have a quiet game again on Sunday, but will still show moments of brilliance to influence the game.


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