Joe Calzaghe v Bernard Hopkins

The Artist

well any comments on this fight comming up.My choice is Hopkins by far?
Calzaghe is near to his winning streak?:D

nacho libre

I've followed Calzaghe's career since 1997 so i'm going to be rooting for him. Calzaghe to win on points!

Big Ears

Calzaghe to win a wide points decision , his speed and workrate is going to give Hopkins more than he can handle .

raven136

Calzaghe to win and fairly easy,a lot easire than the Kessler fight.Bhop is a true great but joe has his number

cowzerp

B hop to win by ko! cream will rise to the top-:D

even old cream!!

The Artist

cowzerp wrote: »

B hop to win by ko! cream will rise to the top-:D

even old cream!!

?? in english, cream? ah brylcream yeah?

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

B hop to win by ko! cream will rise to the top-:D

even old cream!!

I hope you are right. I was initially wanting Joe to win after Bernard's white
boy comments. But Calzaghe comes across as an arrogant twat on TV.
There's just something very annoying about him, and his style stinks.
I watched his slap fest V Kessler and I wasn't at all impressed...

The guy couldn't crack an egg.....

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

I hope you are right. I was initially wanting Joe to win after Bernard's white
boy comments. But Calzaghe comes across as an arrogant twat on TV.
There's just something very annoying about him, and his style stinks.
I watched his slap fest V Kessler and I wasn't at all impressed...

The guy couldn't crack an egg.....

stop talking rubbish lad and i'm so glad you don't do interviews, i'll let you guess the way you'd come across.:eek:

walshb

jayroyal wrote: »

stop talking rubbish lad and i'm so glad you don't do interviews, i'll let you guess the way you'd come across.:eek:

Oh, I forgot, you are a big Calzaghe fan:D
I feel for you mate.....

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I hope you are right. I was initially wanting Joe to win after Bernard's white
boy comments. But Calzaghe comes across as an arrogant twat on TV.
There's just something very annoying about him, and his style stinks.
I watched his slap fest V Kessler and I wasn't at all impressed...

The guy couldn't crack an egg.....

Nonsense(to the part in bold) , it's the rest of that post that gives your real reasons , you just hate Joe's 'lack of technique' and will never warm to his unorthodox style .

I think his fight against Kessler was a perfect example of how he is able to adjust during a fight(something all great fighters need) and managed to neutralise a fighter who had an apparent style advantage over him .

The Artist

Joe Calzaghe
Record: 44 W 0 L 0 D 32 KOs
Alias: Pride of Wales - Italian Dragon.
Weightclass: Super Middleweight
Stance: Orthodox
Style: Boxer
Height: 182cm
Reach: 73"
Strengths: Very fast hand speed. Great endurance. Cuts off ring
Weakness: Not a hard puncher. Hand Problems (breaks hands)
Nationality: Hammersmith, London
Date of Birth: born March 23rd, 1972
Title Belt: WBO Super Middleweight Title

Bernard Hopkins
Record: 48 W 4 L 1 D 32 KOs
Alias: The Executioner
Weightclass: Light Heavyweight
Stance: Orthodox
Style: Boxer Puncher
Height: 6'1"
Reach: 75"
Strengths: Mentally tough and always in top shape. Right hand counter punch.
Weakness: Does not throw a lot of punches. Not very fast. Punching knockout power.
Nationality: USA
Date of Birth: January 15th, 1965
Title Belt: IBO Light Heavyweight

This on sentana sports.

megadodge

davey180 wrote: »

Joe Calzaghe
Record: 44 W 0 L 0 D 32 KOs
Alias: Pride of Wales - Italian Dragon.
Weightclass: Super Middleweight
Stance: Orthodox
Style: Boxer
Height: 182cm
Reach: 73"
Strengths: Very fast hand speed. Great endurance. Cuts off ring
Weakness: Not a hard puncher. Hand Problems (breaks hands)
Nationality: Hammersmith, London
Date of Birth: born March 23rd, 1972
Title Belt: WBO Super Middleweight Title

This on sentana sports.

Somebody really needs to sack the researcher !!

dc69

its where he was born,dont think its his nationality though:)

The Artist

dc69 wrote: »

its where he was born,dont think its his nationality though:)

thats right joe was born in Hammersmith, London
His Nationality is British.

walshb

No Big Ears, two reasons I'd like to see HOP win...

One is that Joe IMO has a horrible technique and I don't think he has ever met a real world class fighter....

Two:...He is a twat, and comes across as so. He's arrogant, as is his whole
camp.....

cowzerp

im with bren on this, im all for the more skillfull fighters winning, and b hop is definetly more skillfull than calzaghe! calzaghe is a bad technical fighter and does not even hit hard, he just works hard and scrapes through fights, also he has barely faced any opposition, always on about Lacy!! and kessler is only o'k, although joe was better in this fight technically then in previous fights! Hopkins to win by Ko...

The Artist

walshb wrote: »

No Big Ears, two reasons I'd like to see HOP win...

One is that Joe IMO has a horrible technique and I don't think he has ever met a real world class fighter....

Two:...He is a and comes across as so. He's arrogant, as is his whole
camp.....

i agree 100% with that.As for cowzerps post i hope hopkins to win too.
But why is the fight on sentana not on Sky?

Big Ears

davey180 wrote: »

i agree 100% with that.As for cowzerps post i hope hopkins to win too.
But why is the fight on sentana not on Sky?

Because Joe Calzaghe is a Sports Network fighter who are contracted to have all their shows that don't involve Amir Khan on Setanta .

Had Amir Khan been involved it would be on ITV .


Frank Warren hasn't had any shows on Sky in 3 years due to the deal he signed with ITV .

The Artist

Big Ears wrote: »

Because Joe Calzaghe is a Sports Network fighter who are contracted to have all their shows that don't involve Amir Khan on Setanta .

Had Amir Khan been involved it would be on ITV .


Frank Warren hasn't had any shows on Sky in 3 years due to the deal he signed with ITV .

warren must be broke lol

DiscoHugh

Big Ears wrote: »

Calzaghe to win a wide points decision , his speed and workrate is going to give Hopkins more than he can handle .

These were my EXACT thoughts when this fight was made. Then I started second guessing myself (JC's first fight at Lightheavy, first fight in the States, fighting a guy who is expert at making fighters fight at his pace and his style etc etc.)

But I still think Calzaghe will outwork bhop and build up the points in the first half the fight while hopkins takes his mandatory 6 rounds to get going.

Calzaghe by decision (though I have very little faith in vegas judges)

Big Ears

davey180 wrote: »

warren must be broke lol

He's a very very rich man........and getting richer .

menoscemo

DiscoHugh wrote: »

These were my EXACT thoughts when this fight was made. Then I started second guessing myself (JC's first fight at Lightheavy, first fight in the States, fighting a guy who is expert at making fighters fight at his pace and his style etc etc.)

Bhop is even smaller than calzaghe as he only moved up 2 fights ago from Middle-weight. He is not a concussive puncher either, even as a middle and Calzaghe's chin has never been in question. There is no way Hopkins will knock Calzaghe out, therefore IMO there is no way he can possibly beat him as Calzaghe will certainly out-work him. Hopkins age will tell as no matter what criticism you have of calzaghe, his workrate is relentless.

The Artist

menoscemo wrote: »

Bhop is even smaller than calzaghe as he only moved up 2 fights ago from Middle-weight. He is not a concussive puncher either, even as a middle and Calzaghe's chin has never been in question. There is no way Hopkins will knock Calzaghe out, therefore IMO there is no way he can possibly beat him as Calzaghe will certainly out-work him. Hopkins age will tell as no matter what criticism you have of calzaghe, his workrate is relentless.

IMO to beat calzaghe is that hopkins need to use a lot of body punches i dont think joe likes that?

jayroyal

davey180 wrote: »

IMO to beat calzaghe is that hopkins need to use a lot of body punches i dont think joe likes that?

bhop won't trade or come forward against joe so rule your body punches out.

Fergob

Calzaghe to win on points, though i think the absolute best Hopkins could do, would be a draw.....20/1 on paddy power, so i might throw a few quid on it...

DiscoHugh

I know Calzaghe started at 168 but Hopkins is proven at 175 (Vs Tarver, I dont count the Winky fight) and you can never know for sure how a fighter will deal with a weight class jump until he actually does it.

Bhop is going to try and tangle Calzaghe up and rough him up on the inside. Using that big ugly head of his, elbows, whatever it takes. Bhop is a master at disguised dirty fighting.

I think however that Joe will be able to avoid this, by flurrying, moving in and out quickly. As others have said the pace and work rate will be too much for Hopkins imo.

The Artist

jayroyal wrote: »

bhop won't trade or come forward against joe so rule your body punches out.

wyo

menoscemo

DiscoHugh wrote: »

I know Calzaghe started at 168 but Hopkins is proven at 175 (Vs Tarver, I dont count the Winky fight) and you can never know for sure how a fighter will deal with a weight class jump until he actually does it.

Bhop is going to try and tangle Calzaghe up and rough him up on the inside. Using that big ugly head of his, elbows, whatever it takes. Bhop is a master at disguised dirty fighting.

I think however that Joe will be able to avoid this, by flurrying, moving in and out quickly. As others have said the pace and work rate will be too much for Hopkins imo.

Calzaghe has been whigeing for about 5 years or more about how difficult it was to make 168. If anyhting the higher weight will make him stronger. I think there is no way of a man fighting at 160 for 20+ years out-muscling him. Does a 43 year old suddnely get an itch to put on 15 pounds of muscle and get 'stronger'? I think by your 40's you are fully grown.

raven136

I dont get this Calzaghe is an arrogant so and so,to me in every tv,radio and paper interview he comes across as a thoroughly nice guy.Also when he was insulted personally and racially by Bhop he never reacted(and despite what everyone says about tongue in cheek and selling the fight if Calzaghe had called him a ni###r what would the same reaction have been).
Why the disrespect towards Calzaghe,since his first fight at the age of nine he hasnt lost a single amateur or pro fight(and there is lots of amateur purists on this site questionng his technique).Is he not the only British boxer to hold the aba titles at 3 different weights.
A pro record that stands at 43 wins and 32 ko's.Every excuse is being used,lacy was no good(despite people saying he would take joe)then kessler was too young and not really as good as we all said.
Does a boxer have to punch hard to be classed as great as some have said on this site,his technique os different it doesnt mean that is wrong or not effective.
Why the love for Hatton here and not for Calzaghe,something i have always failed to understand.
Hopkins is a marvellous fighter and it will be an intriguing battle,i jsut fail to see why Calzaghe has so many haters

cowzerp

raven136 wrote: »

his technique os different it doesnt mean that is wrong or not effective.
Why the love for Hatton here and not for Calzaghe,something i have always failed to understand.

Hatton is a scrapper but a clean punching scrapper, calzaghe does not have different technique! he has poor punching technique-lots of illegal punches, you have to hit with the fist part of the glove, not the palm area as joe so often does.

about 3 fights ago he stopped his opponent in the corner after raining down about 30 pure slaps on the back of his opponents head, he should have been warned or disqualified not won by tko!

i supported him most of his fights anyway, but just say it as i see it, anyone for a sloppy joe!!

raven136 wrote: »

since his first fight at the age of nine he hasnt lost a single amateur or pro fight(and there is lots of amateur purists on this site questionng his technique).

where did you hear that he was unbeaten as an amateur? he won no european or world or junior olympic titles as an amateur that he would have if he was unbeaten. actually joe lost 9 times as an amateur, 130 fights with 9 losses, very good but not perfect!

megadodge

I'm kinda pissed off reading this thread.

I've no problem with people complaining of Calzaghe's punching technique - esp. his left hand - I've commented on that before myself, but it's when people start saying he comes across as arrogant and a 'twat' (whatever that is) I have a problem.

In any interview with Calzaghe I've ever seen (bar one or two just before he became champion) he comes across as probably the most down-to-earth and straight-talking boxer out there (very similar to Hatton). He doesn't disrespect his opponents or talk endless ****e (a la Hopkins or Tarver) and his honesty is at times remarkable (that Guardian interview Big Ears posted here a few weeks ago is a good example). He lives a quiet, unobtrusive, clean-living life and for this he's being disrespected himself ????

He's a very confident individual, but in a quiet unassuming way and I thought Irish people's obsession with begrudging successful confident people had long gone, but obviously I was mistaken !!

And getting back to his boxing, despite his poor techique he has not been beaten in donkey's years (last few years of his amateur career also). The comment that he scrapes through his fights is just untrue !! The only really close fight he has had was with Robin Reid and that's it. This is down to his ability to find a way to win no matter what the circumstances. That is the sign of a WINNER and that's what I always see when I look at Calzaghe - a fella who knows how to win - NO STYLE ALL SUBSTANCE !!! Give me that any day over trash-talking bull****ting highlight reel KO's against nobodies types that are two a penny in America.

Calzaghe by unanimous decision - assuming the judges don't do a Joe Cortez on it.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

I'm kinda pissed off reading this thread.

I've no problem with people complaining of Calzaghe's punching technique - esp. his left hand - I've commented on that before myself, but it's when people start saying he comes across as arrogant and a 'twat' (whatever that is) I have a problem.

In any interview with Calzaghe I've ever seen (bar one or two just before he became champion) he comes across as probably the most down-to-earth and straight-talking boxer out there (very similar to Hatton). He doesn't disrespect his opponents or talk endless ****e (a la Hopkins or Tarver) and his honesty is at times remarkable (that Guardian interview Big Ears posted here a few weeks ago is a good example). He lives a quiet, unobtrusive, clean-living life and for this he's being disrespected himself ????

He's a very confident individual, but in a quiet unassuming way and I thought Irish people's obsession with begrudging successful confident people had long gone, but obviously I was mistaken !!

And getting back to his boxing, despite his poor techique he has not been beaten in donkey's years (last few years of his amateur career also). The comment that he scrapes through his fights is just untrue !! The only really close fight he has had was with Robin Reid and that's it. This is down to his ability to find a way to win no matter what the circumstances. That is the sign of a WINNER and that's what I always see when I look at Calzaghe - a fella who knows how to win - NO STYLE ALL SUBSTANCE !!! Give me that any day over trash-talking bull****ting highlight reel KO's against nobodies types that are two a penny in America.

Calzaghe by unanimous decision - assuming the judges don't do a Joe Cortez on it.

I said he was a twat. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just that he has that smug arrogant look anytime I have seen him. Reminds me of that same smug look on Bono's face....

Joe may well be a lovely chap, so I'll take it back....

There's just something about him that irritates me..

And his dad?

Well there is a twat....

Joe's style is awful and Paul is SPOT on re the slaps....

He is also spot on re his career wins as an amateur.....

Mazletov

calzaghe wasn't overly impressive against kessler. however his speed should be too much for hopkins to handle. hopkins has a habit to start slow (then again he is 43), so I'd say calzaghe on points.

megadodge

Enzo Calzaghe is a different story.

I personally think he's half mad, but there's no arguing with his success !

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

I said he was a twat. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just that he has that smug arrogant look anytime I have seen him. Reminds me of that same smug look on Bono's face....

Joe may well be a lovely chap, so I'll take it back....

There's just something about him that irritates me..

And his dad?

Well there is a twat....

Joe's style is awful and Paul is SPOT on re the slaps....

He is also spot on re his career wins as an amateur.....

Oh what is it he'd keeps proving everyone wrong the slag him off all the time, you don't like the way joe goes on but AMIR KHAN comes across as so much better than joe give me a break.

walshb

Yes, in the squared circle, Amir comes across a hell of a lot
better than Joe.....

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Yes, in the squared circle, Amir comes across a hell of a lot
better than Joe.....

Joe's punching technique may leave a little to be desired but his sense of timing and distance are top notch and he also has very good footwork .

I get the feeling that when(and I'm that confident) he beats Hopkins that the Hopkins was old excuse will come out , and that a proper boxer(Dawson ?) will be then touted to best Calzaghe .

Btw of course Hopkins is actually old but I think he'll be pretty much the same man as we saw against Tarver .

IT Loser

Golden Gay promotions have got JOE CORTEZ in to do this fight.

Little Known Fact: Bernard Holds, Holds and Hits, Holds and Mauls.

Little Known Fact: Cortez Refused to allow Hatton hold vs Mayweather.

Little Known Fact: Cortez the **** will allow Bernard to hold, hold and hit, all NIGHT vs Joe Cal.

Team De La Hopkins have done their dirty again.

IT Loser

walshb wrote: »

Yes, in the squared circle, Amir comes across a hell of a lot
better than Joe.....

Amir would mess up his own suicide bombing. He'd get KO'd en route.

Khan doesn't deserve to mention Calzaghes name. I'm delighted Rees lost. That way our lad Amir gets none of his namby pamby easy title shots.

IT Loser

walshb wrote: »

I said he was a twat. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just that he has that smug arrogant look anytime I have seen him. Reminds me of that same smug look on Bono's face....

Joe may well be a lovely chap, so I'll take it back....

There's just something about him that irritates me..

And his dad?

Well there is a twat....

Joe's style is awful and Paul is SPOT on re the slaps....

He is also spot on re his career wins as an amateur.....

Joe Calzaghe: Gifted. Probably the best fighter GB has ever thrown up- matched only by Lewis and Turpin.

Enzo Calzaghe: Deluded little sh!TT head. Total fraud of a man. Unintelligent, unintelligible, horrid little KANT.

menoscemo

IT Loser wrote: »

Amir would mess up his own suicide bombing. He'd get KO'd en route.

You can't say that.......

nacho libre

We've been through all this before, for his detractors it does not matter what Joe Calzaghe achieves it will always be because of the other fighters shortcomings, (in Hopkins case, should he lose to Calzaghe, it will be due to father time) rather than Calzaghe just being superior.

Calzaghe gave a masterclass of boxing against Kessler yet people are now saying Kessler really wasn't that good afterall. Give me a break. It is the sign of a great fighter that he can adapt his style during a fight to overcome an opponent.
Calzaghe can do this.

The Artist

Joe Calzaghe is just a tipical slapper like a girl as what COWZERP quoted this

about 3 fights ago he stopped his opponent in the corner after raining down about 30 pure slaps on the back of his opponents head, he should have been warned or disqualified not won by tko!

i agree to what he said!:cool:

nacho libre

davey180 wrote: »

Joe Calzaghe is just a tipical slapper like a girl as what COWZERP quoted this

i agree to what he said!:cool:

well, you can but it does not change the fact that you are both very wrong:p

menoscemo

bump

finbarrk

Is it on Setanta? They aren't doing much advertising if it is.

Kess73

IT Loser wrote: »

Amir would mess up his own suicide bombing. He'd get KO'd en route.

Khan doesn't deserve to mention Calzaghes name. I'm delighted Rees lost. That way our lad Amir gets none of his namby pamby easy title shots.

What the hell is that comment about?

Stick to commenting on boxing rather than comments that seem to carry an insult by way of a stereo type.


I hope that it was a naive comment rather than a deliberate one.

Big Ears

finbarrk wrote: »

Is it on Setanta? They aren't doing much advertising if it is.

Yes it is .

sportaholic

Calzaghe is a real throwback! hard as nails and will throw punches all night. I hope its a good fight but with Hopkins history and a fussy yank ref I suspect it will be a pretty dull affair.

Calzaghe on points but won't get any credit for it from the begrudgers

raven136

just watching Calzaghe's fights against Kessler and Lacy and this Welsh guy isnt bad for a guy with no technique and slaps;)

why does everyone here love Bhop?his fights are pretty boring,he isnt exciting and is pretty dirty.Fore some reason the quick,exciting Calzaghe gets no props but i for one are plumping for him to win

armour87

Is the fight only on Setanta?