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Soldiers in full on camo gear with giant rifles on Stephen Street
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18-03-2008 10:30pm#1
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This morning around 9:30 I was walking down Stephen Street and at the corner with the internet cafe there were a couple of soldiers dressed in green combat duds, with big 'ol guns flanking either side of the sidewalk so that you had to pass directly between them. Now, without the guns I would have felt completely fine with the space afforded, but with them I was just so nervous.
To the left farther in the street there were more soldiers with guns and what may have been an armoured car. It probably had to do with the bank, anyway.
Maybe I'm just a weird Canadian, but is that ammount of security truly necessary? Because I felt totally uncomfortable, especially walking between the two of them with 60 inches spare between barels, and although now, looking back, I should have just crossed the street, at the time I had some strange thought that it might make me look "suspicious" haha.
You just described what i used to do for a living in Ireland and that was back in the 70s/80s .Great memories
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I'm laughing at Xiney going round the corner and facing that! Sorry Xiney
It is the Irish Army protecting the banks money. Yep. :rolleyes:
I used to have to push my baby in her buggy past them, and I would think, knowing my luck now, some guys will try to take them on and we'll be stuck in the middle. So I'd be trying to walk past looking "innocent" (who doesn't feel like a potential bank robber when going past them?!) while also planning how to throw myself over my baby in case of rampant gunfire. Its not an easy look to carry off...0 -
I'm laughing at Xiney going round the corner and facing that! Sorry Xiney
It is the Irish Army protecting the banks money. Yep. :rolleyes:
I used to have to push my baby in her buggy past them, and I would think, knowing my luck now, some guys will try to take them on and we'll be stuck in the middle. So I'd be trying to walk past looking "innocent" (who doesn't feel like a potential bank robber when going past them?!) while also planning how to throw myself over my baby in case of rampant gunfire. Its not an easy look to carry off...
My kids didnt belive i use to protect the banks money with the irish army till i showed them pics.
Just think of all those hollywood shootout scenarios sume although Dublin is not exactley down town LA (yet) 0 -
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Yes but it was there sons there alongside me to (the wimmins hadn't arrived in the army back then ) and i am sure some canadian/yank tourists thought we were another army ............yeah that one
I am (was ) super cool with the kids and i still have the powah 0 -
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I am (was ) super cool with the kids and i still have the powah
Yeah, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, would you have saved me and my girl, or the money?! What was your brief? Robbers V Guilty looking civilians? Harrassed looking Irish Mammy checking out all vehicles V Businessman with potential AK47 in briefcase? We JUST DON'T KNOW!
Don't worry, you can tell us here, its very private. Yup.
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I've lived here all my life but I've never really gotten used to them. You always do try to look innocent but you're nervous at the same time so you think you must look shifty! I wonder what they think of random people walking by with their heads down and hands in their pockets looking nervous as hell! 0
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Yeah, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, would you have saved me and my girl, or the money?! What was your brief? Robbers V Guilty looking civilians? Harrassed looking Irish Mammy checking out all vehicles V Businessman with potential AK47 in briefcase? We JUST DON'T KNOW!
Don't worry, you can tell us here, its very private. Yup.
I would have being doing a Ronan o Gara rugby dive to save you and your child .Not in my brief but the body armour would have deflected any slugs 0 -
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I would have being doing a Ronan o Gara rugby dive to save you and your child .Not in my brief but the body armour would have deflected any slugs
Good. Thats good. Thanks in advance.
If anyone sees me sauntering past them now, I will have my virtual army Latchyco friend to protect me, so I will be grand. The rest of you are on your own...0 -
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starbelgrade wrote: »Thugs are terrified by keys... "Oh no, not the keys --- agggh! They're HOUSE KEYS... RUN! " See, it worked! 0
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Good. Thats good. Thanks in advance.
If anyone sees me sauntering past them now, I will have my virtual army Latchyco friend to protect me, so I will be grand. The rest of you are on your own...
He has to protect me too! :eek: Latchy you know you have to!
Star I'm going to report your post if you don't stop. You're trolling. There's no need for it!0 -
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The good news is that the first months protection is free ....;)He has to protect me too! :eek: Latchy you know you have to!
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Of course takola , just join the Q there cheque at the ready with refund if not satisfied 0 -
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Meaning I'll be dead from a bullet wound if I'm not satisfied!
It wont matter thenIn fairness though, you have to admit.. There is a bit of a power trip there, isn't there?
Asolutley ,it's all about power .The power of a wepon which you only get it in the army or some police forces (unless your a criminal ) :eek:0 -
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Maybe I'm just a weird Canadian, but is that ammount of security truly necessary?
Yes, only last week in Lucan a CIT (cash-in-transit) van was robbed and shots fired by the robbers in a supermarket car park. Do you think those boys would have tried that if they saw a load of squaddies with Steyr AUG A1 rifles? I don't!walking between the two of them with 60 inches spare between barels,
You do know 60 inches = 5 whole feet, right?
That's what safety catches and trigger guards are for, to prevent that type of accident.magnumlady wrote: »They always frighten the bejaysus out of me.
I keep thinking what if their finger slips and I'm in the way???!
Wow, it's armoured! The poor lads driving it still have to get out of the van with the cash in the casette boxes and his little helmet and stab-vest won't be much protection against a pistol or shotgun!But the show of force isn't outright, and they don't have a dozen men for one armoured vehicle. It's ARMOURED. It doesn't need that many people...
Even being in the van is no gaurantee of protection. Years ago a security van driver was in his van when it was held up, the guys holding up the van knew who he was and told him where his sister went to school. He then told him that his sister had just left the house and was on her way to school and if he didn't open the van his sister would be taken. Needless to say, he opened the van and was told that if he testified in court his family would be 'taken care of'. He didn't testify and got five years in prison for his trouble. Again, having the Army there would have prevented that.
That's just an irrational fear really. The safety will be on, the trigger guard protects against slippy fingers and even at that, there will never be a round sitting in the barrel ready to go. On top of that there are known procedures that are drilled into these guys heads that mean they cannot open fire without a very clear cause.I think my main issue was in seeing the large automatic guns, up close. I know different countries have different ways of doing things, but like Magnumlady said, I just kept thinking, "what if his finger slips?" even though I know that his finger is probably not even on the trigger if he's following every police proceedure I know of.His wepon will not be cocked and he will have his safety catch on .The soldier will only cock his wepon and undue safety catch if he is giving order to so or feels he and his comrades are in harms way (civillians duck for cover )
Exactly.
Finally, our little island had its fair share of trouble over the years and vans carrying money were very tempting for those looking to buy weapons for 'the cause'. Having the army protect these vans became necessary. These days, not a week goes by without at least one attempt on a van somewhere in the country, most thieves wait until the driver has left the van. Some routes carry a lot more money than others and these would naturally be big targets, hence the extra proteciton.0 -
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Yes, only last week in Lucan a CIT (cash-in-transit) van was robbed and shots fired by the robbers in a supermarket car park. Do you think those boys would have tried that if they saw a load of squaddies with Steyr AUG A1 rifles? I don't!
You do know 60 inches = 5 whole feet, right?
That's what safety catches and trigger guards are for, to prevent that type of accident.
Wow, it's armoured! The poor lads driving it still have to get out of the van with the cash in the casette boxes and his little helmet and stab-vest won't be much protection against a pistol or shotgun!
Even being in the van is no gaurantee of protection. Years ago a security van driver was in his van when it was held up, the guys holding up the van knew who he was and told him where his sister went to school. He then told him that his sister had just left the house and was on her way to school and if he didn't open the van his sister would be taken. Needless to say, he opened the van and was told that if he testified in court his family would be 'taken care of'. He didn't testify and got five years in prison for his trouble. Again, having the Army there would have prevented that.
That's just an irrational fear really. The safety will be on, the trigger guard protects against slippy fingers and even at that, there will never be a round sitting in the barrel ready to go. On top of that there are known procedures that are drilled into these guys heads that mean they cannot open fire without a very clear cause.
Exactly.
Finally, our little island had its fair share of trouble over the years and vans carrying money were very tempting for those looking to buy weapons for 'the cause'. Having the army protect these vans became necessary. These days, not a week goes by without at least one attempt on a van somewhere in the country, most thieves wait until the driver has left the van. Some routes carry a lot more money than others and these would naturally be big targets, hence the extra proteciton.
I'm more nervous about them now.
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You won't get much of a response by dialing '911' over here Xiney!
I know it's 999 here Good thing too, based on the number of times I've needed to know that here :-\ (And I don't have my steel toe boots anymore... so Ireland's criminals are in no danger of having their breeding capabilities revoked by me)That's just an irrational fear really.
I'm aware of the fact that it's irrational... doesn't change the fact though.0 -
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I'm more nervous about them now. Thanks for that!
Ooookaaay! You're welcome
You have to remember that these squaddies are trained to take and react to orders, part of their orders include a 'no firing on civilians unless they are armed, making a direct threat to you, your comrades or the security van staff,' clause.
If those soldiers witness two guys beating the crap out of each other on the street in front of them they have no right to interfere unless they feel those people are a threat to the van and it's contents.
If that doesn't help or makes it worse for you I'll shut up 0 -
Dial 999 in the uk and this is what your likley to hear
' Hello is that the police ? '
Thank you for calling 999.Our business hrs are nine to five ,monday to friday .If you've being stabbed to death ,press 1 and leave a message .
If your ringing to report a lorry load of of illegal immigrants tipping out at the end of your street ,please call back after the bank holiday and give three weeks notice .
If you are an illegal immigrant and would like to apply for asylum ,legal aid ,health care ,cash benifits ,a council house and a free ID card ,please stay on the line .Our operators are awaiting to take your call 24/7. Pree 3 and ask for Jacqui 0 -
I'd be great in an emergency wouldn't I? :rolleyes:
Do you think crime is worse here than in Canada?
I think answering that question in full would take this thread very far from it's original topic, so I won't do that.
However, I will say that it's not an easy answer. Both countries have problems. But they are different countries, with different problems, and different approaches to problem solving, and different areas of success and failure.
So it will never be a question of, is crime worse in one place or another, but rather a question of, how safe does one feel? Do people believe that the social problems that cause crime are being dealt with in an effective way, and is that belief backed up by statistics and progress? Etc.
Without further ado, we can go back to calling me an irrational ninny now 0 -
Dial 999 in the uk and this is what your likley to hear
' Hello is that the police ? '
Thank you for calling 999.Our business hrs are nine to five ,monday to friday .If you've being stabbed to death ,press 1 and leave a message .
If your ringing to report a lorry load of of illegal immigrants tipping out at the end of your street ,please call back after the bank holiday and give three weeks notice .
If you are an illegal immigrant and would like to apply for asylum ,legal aid ,health care ,cash benifits ,a council house and a free ID card ,please stay on the line .Our operators are awaiting to take your call 24/7. Pree 3 and ask for Jacqui
Now my Virtual Soldier Protector has "Issues"... I'm doomed.0 -
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