The Ins, The Outs.

bugler

In: Rob Kearney. At FB. He's our best prospect, and looks utterly unfazed.

In: Luke Fitzgerald. He's quick, has good awareness and can break the line.

Out: John Hayes. We've all covered what a great servant he's been. No one can begrudge him his retirement. He's been relentlessly flogged for so long. We'll appreciate him more as we watch Buckley struggle to survive in the international arena.

In: Tony Buckley. See above. He has to learn sometime. A return home for Mike Ross in the next season or two would be also be welcome, as he has promise.

Out: Shane Horgan. Maybe not forever, but he's no longer one of our best wingers and he's not a centre. So what's the point? Still a squad option due to experience, and a dearth of alternatives.

In: J Heaslip. He's an 8!

In: Paddy Wallace? Well he is an IC. So why the hell didn't he get a go?

Out: Simon Easterby. Thanks for the graft.

Stev_o

bugler wrote: »

In: Rob Kearney. At FB. He's our best prospect, and looks utterly unfazed.

In: Luke Fitzgerald. He's quick, has good awareness and can break the line.

Out: John Hayes. We've all covered what a great servant he's been. No one can begrudge him his retirement. He's been relentlessly flogged for so long. We'll appreciate him more as we watch Buckley struggle to survive in the international arena.

In: Tony Buckley. See above. He has to learn sometime. A return home for Mike Ross in the next season or two would be also be welcome, as he has promise.

Out: Shane Horgan. Maybe not forever, but he's no longer one of our best wingers and he's not a centre. So what's the point? Still a squad option due to experience, and a dearth of alternatives.

In: J Heaslip. He's an 8!

In: Paddy Wallace? Well he is an IC. So why the hell didn't he get a go?

Out: Simon Easterby. Thanks for the graft.

Kearney at 11 Fitz at 14 let them develop there, Bowe hasnt stepped up sadly and should be moved to the bench. I think as it stands for the moment Murphy is a better option at 15 as we play better thats not Kearneys fault its just two completely styled.

Heaslip was always starting bar the first match...............

Agree with the other things though

This baffles me....Shane Jennings is a better 6 AND 7 than Easterby and yet he's not in the squad so we end up today with Easterby at 7, truly rubbish.........Wow.


Surely this is it for Eddie.

Stev_o

Deleted User wrote: »

This baffles me....Shane Jennings is a better 6 AND 7 than Easterby and yet he's not in the squad so we end up today with Easterby at 7, truly rubbish.........Wow.


Surely this is it for Eddie.

Jennings hasnt been what he has been when he was playing with Leicester hasnt played very well with Leinster this season.

davyjose

Stev_o wrote: »

Kearney at 11 Fitz at 14 let them develop there, Bowe hasnt stepped up sadly and should be moved to the bench. I think as it stands for the moment Murphy is a better option at 15 as we play better thats not Kearneys fault its just two completely styled.

Heaslip was always starting bar the first match...............

Agree with the other things though

Agreed, Kearney is predominantly an 11 if you ask me, that's where he started for Leinster, that's where he plays his best stuff.

sioda

In Kearney Fitz Donnacha Ryan

Out Horgan B O Driscoll Easterby Best Jackman Stringer Dempsey Trimble and you will be missed John Hayes

Goodluck2me

Anyone who thinks that B O Driscoll shouldnt be in that team is a troll, permaban please.

Kearney is much more a 15 than an 11, he doesnt have the out and out pace to compete internationally there, but has the class and the boot to compete at 15.
He is just unlucky that is the only place on the team where there is viable competition.

Id give a good few of the provincial stars some game time, I though George hook was spot on today for once in his analysis,

sioda

BOD has had his place gifted to him for too long getting dropped is exactly what he needs as a kick up the arse

Junior

sioda wrote: »

BOD has had his place gifted to him for too long getting dropped is exactly what he needs as a kick up the arse

Bod doesn't need a kick up the arse, he needs a different training regime, he needs to be fine tuned he's not getting the best from his body and ability. He needs coaching not dropping.

sioda

junior I agree but I have always felt BOD in EOS's golden boy could you imagine the player Jake White or Mike Bradley could have made of him but I and a lot of fans see his best is behind him

phog

I have been one of BOD's critics but anyone suggesting in this thread that he should be one of those going just isn't living in the real world, yeah I agree he needs to be told he doesn't get his place on the basis of what he has done but what he can offer to the next game.

We saw today how we missed him bad and all as he has been as an attacking centre in this 6Ns.

Looking forward to the summer tour and the AIs I think none (with the exception of Kearney, Fitzgerald, Bowe, Heaslip and possibly Paddy Wallace) of the 6Ns players should be seen near the squad not becasue I was disappointed with them all but because I think we need to build a new sqaud.

sioda

Phog do you not think that he gets his place too easily and that because of him we have no new number 13's?

Surely Reddan you forgot about

Junior

sioda wrote: »

junior I agree but I have always felt BOD in EOS's golden boy could you imagine the player Jake White or Mike Bradley could have made of him but I and a lot of fans see his best is behind him

No I think EOS doesn't know how to coach a player like BOD, he never challenged him, he never really got the best out of him, and BOD doesn't know how to do that yet with himself, he's not a coach. To be honest Bradley couldn't coach me off the sofa with a free beer. It's an insult to Jake White to mention Bradley in the same sentence as him.

Chucky the tree

Luke fitzgerald(or anyone else) isnt fit too lace up BOD's boots let alone take his place forever.

sioda

Chuckey thats the reason BOD has kept his place and his captaincy he has not been outstanding for Ireland for a number of years and EOS's constant naming him at 13 has stopped anyone else getting a look in. Times he has returned after injurny in no way able to perform he has still held his spot and its not deserved.

Bradley is a good coach ok you can say that Connaught are at the bottom of the league but the style of rugby he coaches is far superior to anything EOS can muster.

It comes down to the fact that will Jake White be attracted to Ireland after the money we will have to pay EOS to feic off we might not be able to afford him but I think that Bradley could do a good job

phog

sioda wrote: »

Phog do you not think that he gets his place too easily and that because of him we have no new number 13's?

This thread is about the Ins and Outs of the squad and I think BOD still has a lot to offer the Irish team, read my post I have said he shouldn't be an automatic choise he should earn his place.

Surely Reddan you forgot about

Didn't forget him - I was more interested in a development squad, yeah he still has something to offer but he should have to compete with Stringer and whoever comes through from the Summer and AIs games for his place. If you feel he needs the time then yeah include him but hopefully not at the expense of blooding more players.

Chucky the tree

sioda wrote: »

Chuckey thats the reason BOD has kept his place and his captaincy he has not been outstanding for Ireland for a number of years and EOS's constant naming him at 13 has stopped anyone else getting a look in. Times he has returned after injurny in no way able to perform he has still held his spot and its not deserved.

He hasnt been outstanding, but that's still alot bettet then what Fitz would do.

Podge_irl

sioda wrote: »

Chuckey thats the reason BOD has kept his place and his captaincy he has not been outstanding for Ireland for a number of years and EOS's constant naming him at 13 has stopped anyone else getting a look in. Times he has returned after injurny in no way able to perform he has still held his spot and its not deserved.

Like who? Trimble is the only remotely viable option and, good player that he is, BOD is simply better even playing below his best. He certainly doesn't need a kick up the arse either - the man was playing four people's positions in the WC game against Argentina he was so desperate to win. He always gives his best. What he needs, as someone pointed out, is better coaching. The loss of Knox and the staleness of EOS haven't helped him.

chicoben

In: Leo Cullen, Shane Jennings. There isn't much competition at lock and I don't like the way POC gets the red carpet rolled out to number 5 even after such a long absence. He is a great player I'd just like to see more competition in the squad at Lock. Bod is still a hero, we do need him, I think he's burdened with the captaincy too.

davyjose

sioda wrote: »

Chuckey thats the reason BOD has kept his place and his captaincy he has not been outstanding for Ireland for a number of years and EOS's constant naming him at 13 has stopped anyone else getting a look in.

He hasn't been outstanding for Ireland for one year. In last years 6N he was Ireland's best player by an absolute mile. This is unbelievable that his place is being questioned. For 7 years Ireland had the best centre (for a few of those, best back) in the world, and now he is a little off key, his place is being question. And for who? Trimble, the worst player in our squad! And Fitz? A kid who doesn't even play centre for his province.
Jesus, would you scrap your merc if it had a scratch on it?

sioda wrote: »

Times he has returned after injurny in no way able to perform he has still held his spot and its not deserved.

When? In '06 when he took Leinster into the knockouts of the HC when he single-handedly tore Bath apart (I think his 2nd or 3rd game back)?
Or last year, when we crumbled against france and he came back to help us destroy England Scotland and Italy. (And look at the stats - if he'd stayed on for the full 80 against Italy, we'd have had a record 6N victory and reigning - before today - champs)
Or was it just the one time? The most recent, when he was nowhere near ready to be brought back into the WC side?

Sundy

To be honest its stupid to go around saying this player in and this one out because the national team should be made up of form players, something which eddie never believed in. Lets wait and see if we even get a new coach it is possible that eddie could stay on with a compromise of new assistants.

Goodluck2me

Podge_irl wrote: »

Like who? Trimble is the only remotely viable option and, good player that he is, BOD is simply better even playing below his best. He certainly doesn't need a kick up the arse either - the man was playing four people's positions in the WC game against Argentina he was so desperate to win. He always gives his best. What he needs, as someone pointed out, is better coaching. The loss of Knox and the staleness of EOS haven't helped him.

excellent analysis

davyjose wrote: »

He hasn't been outstanding for Ireland for one year. In last years 6N he was Ireland's best player by an absolute mile. This is unbelievable that his place is being questioned. For 7 years Ireland had the best centre (for a few of those, best back) in the world, and now he is a little off key, his place is being question. And for who? Trimble, the worst player in our squad! And Fitz? A kid who doesn't even play centre for his province.
Jesus, would you scrap your merc if it had a scratch on it?

LOL, nice analogy.

is_that_so

Sundy wrote: »

To be honest its stupid to go around saying this player in and this one out because the national team should be made up of form players...

Agreed but if we say that ROG, BOD and D'Arcy are injured who will replace them. Who's our backup second row? Who's our backup back row? That said there are a few who need more time or to prove themselves again.

The only definite out for me is Easterby, who was talked into coming back in again and EOS himself. But I would like to see the national team selected from a pool of 30-35 players with a further development pool of young and those not quite in form. I think it is time to begin blooding some of the younger ones, look at the Grand Slam U20s of last year and use the A team as an adjunct of the main team where we can try things out.

There needs to an incentive, i.e. even if you are not playing well you can still be part of the bigger picture.

We also need to look beyond Ireland. Just because a player is not paid by the IRFU does not mean they shouldn't be up for consideration.

As for BOD, well I'd give him the rest of the year off to do as he chooses.

quagmire69

Out:
O'gara
Wallace
Hayes
DOC (was he on the pitch yday???)
Horgan (back to the wing)

In:
Sexton/O'Connor/Humphries Jnr/Dunne
Jennings/Gleeson
Buckley
Cullen/Casey
Fitzgerald
Healy on the bench

themont85

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He hasnt been outstanding, but that's still alot bettet then what Fitz would do.

We don't know as of now where fitz should go, but I certaintly don't think on the wing. Obviously this is a completely different level but in school he was at his best in the centre or in at full back. Now seeing as Kearney is also a good full back, Fitz should be given a shot in the centre. A lot better than letting his playmaking be messed up on the wing. We also have Earls coming through, albeit he needs a lot more games for Munster which is being blocked by the kiwi centres, who will be looking to get in the squad in a couple of years. All in all I'm quite optimistic about some of the young players coming through(I don't know much about Ulster or Connacht though)

These would be the 'next generation' of players I'd see coming through to contend for places before the next world cup
Back 3
Kearney, Fionn Carr, Vasya Artemiev,Felix Jones
Centres
Fitz, Earls, Eoin O'Malley
Half Backs
Niall O'Conner, Humphreys Jnr, Sexton
Forwards
Heaslip, Cian Healy, Sean Cronin, Buckley, Darragh Hurley, Donnacha Ryan ect

There's a lot of talent around and if you think that a lot of players will still be around come the next world cup i wouldn't be too depressed.

Sundy

is_that_so wrote: »

Agreed but if we say that ROG, BOD and D'Arcy are injured who will replace them. Who's our backup second row? Who's our backup back row? That said there are a few who need more time or to prove themselves again.

The only definite out for me is Easterby, who was talked into coming back in again and EOS himself. But I would like to see the national team selected from a pool of 30-35 players with a further development pool of young and those not quite in form. I think it is time to begin blooding some of the younger ones, look at the Grand Slam U20s of last year and use the A team as an adjunct of the main team where we can try things out.

There needs to an incentive, i.e. even if you are not playing well you can still be part of the bigger picture.

We also need to look beyond Ireland. Just because a player is not paid by the IRFU does not mean they shouldn't be up for consideration.

As for BOD, well I'd give him the rest of the year off to do as he chooses.

Oh yeah i agree totally with you, players who are beyond their sell by date are doing no good for the future of the team. Its posts like quagmire69's that i dont agree with.

Out:
O'gara
Wallace
Hayes
DOC (was he on the pitch yday???)
Horgan (back to the wing)

In:
Sexton/O'Connor/Humphries Jnr/Dunne
Jennings/Gleeson
Buckley
Cullen/Casey
Fitzgerald
Healy on the bench

It would be ridiclous to ship out O'Gara, DOC and Horgan, all proven match winners who still have an awful lot left to offer ireland.

I agree on BOD, he should be given a holiday untill pre-season. He looks a bit stale right now despite still being one of our best players. After 3 or 4 months hopefully he would be coming back to a new irish coach. Nobody should underestimate the desire and hunger BOD still has to play rugby.

davyjose

Sundy wrote: »

Oh yeah i agree totally with you, players who are beyond their sell by date are doing no good for the future of the team. Its posts like quagmire69's that i dont agree with.



It would be ridiclous to ship out O'Gara, DOC and Horgan, all proven match winners who still have an awful lot left to offer ireland.

Agreed, these players have proven quality and should not be dismissed because of low morale and poor coaching. I'd still choose ROG over almost any other fly-half in the world.

quagmire69

Sundy wrote: »

Oh yeah i agree totally with you, players who are beyond their sell by date are doing no good for the future of the team. Its posts like quagmire69's that i dont agree with.



It would be ridiclous to ship out O'Gara, DOC and Horgan, all proven match winners who still have an awful lot left to offer ireland.

I agree on BOD, he should be given a holiday untill pre-season. He looks a bit stale right now despite still being one of our best players. After 3 or 4 months hopefully he would be coming back to a new irish coach. Nobody should underestimate the desire and hunger BOD still has to play rugby.

I dont want horgan out, just back to the wing. A new 2nd row is needed as we are being beaten in the tight 5 game after game. I have no prob with him in the squad, just as a guaranteed starter. Cullen and Casey i think could offer a lot to this team.

As for ROG, it is clear i don't rate him as high as others, but surely even the biggest ROG fan has to see that any well prepared international team has him fairly well sussed. We need to have somebody who can offer something different otherwise this team will go nowhere. I agree that the rest of our 10's are not showing the world alight or IRL for that matter, but they need to be given a chance to prove themselves on the INTL stage. O'Gara wasnt very good when he first arrived, it took him years to get up to speed but at least he was brought in. We have to start picking other 10's for proper games(Not pacific islanders etc). If O'Gara is still the best option come the next WC then so be it, but we should experiment for the next 2 years anyway.

razorblunt

Out:
BOD as captain
Darcy should be made fight for his plac again
Horgan too slow for the wing too crap for center
Dempsey as reliable as he has been its time to move aside
Hayes
Horan with Kearney and Fitzgerald we dont need another winger, the wings should be used to attack not for forwards to go hide
Big Mal should never be let near an Irish jersey again
Easterby

In:
Bob Casey
Sexton
Donnacha Ryan
Jonnie Murphy
Paddy Wallace given a run at IC

zAbbo

EOS has a lot to answer for, namely ignoring players like Reddan, Heaslip, Jennings, Gleeson and Leo Cullen.

Unfortunately with only having 4 teams, we don't have a huge choice in players, especially if key positions are filled with non Irish players.

Leinster have recruited 3 foreign props in the last 2 seasons, while Munster have filled their backline with kiwi's, which has left us seriously lacking in options.

While EOS has been a victim of his own limited success, the buck stops with the goons in the IRFU.

ALH-06

quagmire69 wrote: »

Out:
O'gara
Wallace
Hayes
DOC (was he on the pitch yday???)
Horgan (back to the wing)

In:
Sexton/O'Connor/Humphries Jnr/Dunne
Jennings/Gleeson
Buckley
Cullen/Casey
Fitzgerald
Healy on the bench

Why do people post stuff like this? Idiotic statements they don't even bother to justify in any way...

Ok so we don't have a second international class outhalf. What do we do? Drop O'Gara, our best player of this tournament and the ONLY viable option at OH by a country mile. And do what - throw in Sexton / O'Connor into the deep end when they're clearly not ready for it yet? That would damage their development as players, a la Matthew Tait 2005, rather than accelerate it. Absolutely ridiculous.

And fair play to the people defending BOD on this forum, against such idiotic and ill-informed criticism. He is an absolute hero who has always given his best to his country. And most of the time, his best is by far the best we've got. I actually can't understand why people would call for him to be dropped after Sat's game! We CLEARLY missed him badly in midfield. Seeing him limping off against Wales, after single handledly effecting a trademark turnover and getting bulldozed by 3 of 4 Welsh players shortly after - it was symbolic. He has always shown courage, leadership, immense skill and implacable dedication in the green jersey. He has always given 100%, and has destroyed his body for the cause in the process. He mightn't (by his own admission) have long left in rugby because of the way he constantly puts his body on the line like that. He's only 29. We should make damn sure that we appreciate what we've got while we still have him. He still has a lot more to offer. Shame on those that dare to criticise a living legend!

Sundy

razorblunt wrote: »

Out:
BOD as captain
Darcy should be made fight for his plac again Wont have to do much fighting after sundays display
Horgan too slow for the wing too crap for center. Dumb statement showed what he can do early on against Wales, just didnt have the sharpness to finish off to most creative move by an irish player in the whole 6n. Also its not his fault eddie plays him in the centre.
Dempsey as reliable as he has been its time to move aside
Hayes
Horan with Kearney and Fitzgerald we dont need another winger, the wings should be used to attack not for forwards to go hide
Big Man should never be let near an Irish jersey again
Easterby

In:
Bob Casey No better than what we have
Sexton Needs more provincial game time first
Donnacha Ryan Cant get ahead of o'connell, DOC or MOD at munster so why would he for ireland?
Jonnie Murphy Worse than what we already have
Paddy Wallace given a run at IC

If some of the people on this thread got there way we replace good experienced players with players who are barely club quality. Against teams NZ and SA it would be lambs to the slaughter.

razorblunt

Sundy wrote: »

If some of the people on this thread got there way we replace good experienced players with players who are barely club quality. Against teams NZ and SA it would be lambs to the slaughter.

I never said start them, new players need to be blooded, if guys like Murphy "are no better than what we have" then what harm is there in giving him a shot. And if you're picking teams on form Bob Casey has been the standout Irish lock for about the last 3 seasons.

Erin Go Brath

ALH-06 wrote: »

Why do people post stuff like this? Idiotic statements they don't even bother to justify in any way...

Ok so we don't have a second international class outhalf. What do we do? Drop O'Gara, our best player of this tournament and the ONLY viable option at OH by a country mile. And do what - throw in Sexton / O'Connor into the deep end when they're clearly not ready for it yet? That would damage their development as players, a la Matthew Tait 2005, rather than accelerate it. Absolutely ridiculous.

And fair play to the people defending BOD on this forum, against such idiotic and ill-informed criticism. He is an absolute hero who has always given his best to his country. And most of the time, his best is by far the best we've got. I actually can't understand why people would call for him to be dropped after Sat's game! We CLEARLY missed him badly in midfield. Seeing him limping off against Wales, after single handledly effecting a trademark turnover and getting bulldozed by 3 of 4 Welsh players shortly after - it was symbolic. He has always shown courage, leadership, immense skill and implacable dedication in the green jersey. He has always given 100%, and has destroyed his body for the cause in the process. He mightn't (by his own admission) have long left in rugby because of the way he constantly puts his body on the line like that. He's only 29. We should make damn sure that we appreciate what we've got while we still have him. He still has a lot more to offer. Shame on those that dare to criticise a living legend!

I completely agree with this. ROG and BOD are both mainstays in this team, and will be for the forseeable future. They are two very important cogs in the green machine which is considerably weaker without either of them.

A few positives from the campaign, Kearney, Fitzgerald both came in and did well.
We still need to blood some more newbies. Tony Buckley will get his big break soon i feel.

themont85

After watching the game on saturday with Cipriani playing so well it looks like Geraghty choosing England was a bad choice. Look who he's behind-Toby Flood, Wilko, Goode, Hodgson, Cipriani and Lambe. If he had chosen Ireland he would have barring injury probably in a match day 22. Bad decision I reckon.

dc69

people saying drop Bod are in dreamland,keep him for his defence alone.

I just think that we need a replacement 13 for when god does finish up or is injured.

now we have a few options,we dont have a natural 13 other than trimble i think,and he has showed he is a more effective winger.so we have to turn someone into a 13.

we have an abundance of 15 so thats fine,14 and 11can be rob kearney and bowe or trimble.

as a 13 I would like to see fitzgerald being given a shot,I feel he can do alot more damage at 13 than wing,his sidestep and explosivenesss make him the best candidate imo.BUT he would need to work on defence big time but i think that comes in time.

Stev_o

themont85 wrote: »

After watching the game on saturday with Cipriani playing so well it looks like Geraghty choosing England was a bad choice. Look who he's behind-Toby Flood, Wilko, Goode, Hodgson, Cipriani and Lambe. If he had chosen Ireland he would have barring injury probably in a match day 22. Bad decision I reckon.

Yeah might be but what it means is that England can rotate their 12 spot and they are set for years knowing that they have two traditional 12's. I wouldnt be surprised if Geraghty starts in one of the Summer Tours at 12. And he's only behind Flood, he doesnt play OH for LI and everyone agree's that his best position is 12

Junior

I don't want to insult any Westie fans, but what young players are being used over there or have been developed from there ?

It's been mentioned that some, if not all younger players can't get into first teams because Internationals or foreign players are holding the place they are fighting for ahead of them. If the western province was more active and better managed would it not be attractive for the younger players to get good game time there rather than warming a bench - for instance the European Challenge Cup should be a stepping ground for younger players to get good competitive time rather than the last 10 minutes of a cider league game because the team is coasting.

Maybe I'm seeing things to simple.

Podge_irl

themont85 wrote: »

If he had chosen Ireland he would have barring injury probably in a match day 22. Bad decision I reckon.

He considers himself English though, which should be the defining issue, so fair play to him I say.

themont85

Stev_o wrote: »

Yeah might be but what it means is that England can rotate their 12 spot and they are set for years knowing that they have two traditional 12's. I wouldnt be surprised if Geraghty starts in one of the Summer Tours at 12. And he's only behind Flood, he doesnt play OH for LI and everyone agree's that his best position is 12

Ye suppose but can't help but think that if he had chosen Ireland he'd nail down a spot rather than just be a rotation player. Its all ifs anyway. Sexton or Niall O'Connor from Ulster look most likely to be competing for outhalf with Rog towards the next World cup.

Stev_o

themont85 wrote: »

Ye suppose but can't help but think that if he had chosen Ireland he'd nail down a spot rather than just be a rotation player. Its all ifs anyway. Sexton or Niall O'Connor from Ulster look most likely to be competing for outhalf with Rog towards the next World cup.

He isnt at his best at 10 anyway and he doesnt take goal kicks for LI or England. He could of sorted out our midfield though as the space he makes for other players is just amazing. I would just like to see Sexton and NOC beef up though in the coming months as they are small players and will be targeted

themont85

Stev_o wrote: »

He isnt at his best at 10 anyway and he doesnt take goal kicks for LI or England. He could of sorted out our midfield though as the space he makes for other players is just amazing. I would just like to see Sexton and NOC beef up though in the coming months as they are small players and will be targeted

Ye your right, he would have done a far better job than Horgan ot Trimble anyway...

Both those guys do need to beef up but moreover I reckon they need gametime to settle into the position.

RodVelvet

Anyone think Gareth Steenson has a chance of being the solution to the outhalf problem. I think he is/was playing for Rotherham this season and seemed to be playing fairly well.

razorblunt

Junior wrote: »

I don't want to insult any Westie fans, but what young players are being used over there or have been developed from there ?

It's been mentioned that some, if not all younger players can't get into first teams because Internationals or foreign players are holding the place they are fighting for ahead of them. If the western province was more active and better managed would it not be attractive for the younger players to get good game time there rather than warming a bench - for instance the European Challenge Cup should be a stepping ground for younger players to get good competitive time rather than the last 10 minutes of a cider league game because the team is coasting.

Maybe I'm seeing things to simple.

Munster took on a center from Connaught, he's massive about 6'4, but looks like he was taken on a season too early or maybe two.

Can Warwick be declared for Ireland?

themont85

razorblunt wrote: »

Munster took on a center from Connaught, he's massive about 6'4, but looks like he was taken on a season too early or maybe two.

Can Warwick be declared for Ireland?

I don't think so, I think i'm right in saying that he played for Aussie A or u21s which makes him ineligable unfortunately.

I thought playing for the A's etc didnt disqualify you.

marco_polo

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought playing for the A's etc didnt disqualify you.

It was 7's he played for Oz which disqualifies you from playing for another country. He may well have a few A caps as well.

I'm not too sure about the status of A games WRT eligibility myself.

Podge_irl

A games are disqualifying games wrt eligibility. Warwick is not all that good anyway.

buck65

Out - Hayes, Easterby, O Kelly, P Wallace, Jackman,

dc69

what about healy at hooker?he played there for school and brent pope reckons he has all the potential to be a world class hooker but then we have a lack of props?

Podge_irl

I'd rather see him continue as a prop considering our lack of options there. In contrast we have Best, who is young enough, at hooker with the likes of Cronin coming up as well.