Webbing

ChapOfDRyans

what type of webbing do the pdf use as every time i see a pic they have differant types of webbing

NoQuarter

http://military.ie/army/uniform/index.htm

the one half way down that page!

minidazzler

king-stew wrote: »

http://military.ie/army/uniform/index.htm

the one half way down that page!

AFAIK it is now being issued in Irish DPM.

ChapOfDRyans

i've seen in other pics differant types of webbing

minidazzler

ChapOfDRyans wrote: »

i've seen in other pics differant types of webbing

That is probably the really old type Pattern 58, Horrible stuff.

NoQuarter

well the lads are allowed use their own pouches so peoples are differrent, after recruit training there's no set way of having it so each to their own!

ChapOfDRyans

so can the soliders buy there own webbing?,does it have to meet requirements?

anybody no what people think of the current webbing

NoQuarter

yeeh they can buy their own pouches, doesnt really have any requirments, no pink pouches ya know yourself! but ive seen single DPM pouches on normal green webbing, i had black tape all up the back of mine and a few other bits and there was no hassle with it!

i thought the webbing wasnt great but no webbing would be, chest rigs are the way to go, we used them overseas and they were great

ChapOfDRyans

king-stew wrote: »

yeeh they can buy their own pouches, doesnt really have any requirments, no pink pouches ya know yourself! but ive seen single DPM pouches on normal green webbing, i had black tape all up the back of mine and a few other bits and there was no hassle with it!

i thought the webbing wasnt great but no webbing would be, chest rigs are the way to go, we used them overseas and they were great[

any pics of the chest rigs or something similar

ex_infantry man

minidazzler wrote: »

AFAIK it is now being issued in Irish DPM.

my recruit platoon were the lab rats that tested these before they were put out on issue and to be honest they were crap compared to the olive green webbing as straps were too short and when on tactics when we had to drag the "injured" away the buckles for the straps had a tendancy to break!!! and were a nightmare to clean after being on the ground

minidazzler

ex_infantry man wrote: »

my recruit platoon were the lab rats that tested these before they were put out on issue and to be honest they were crap compared to the olive green webbing as straps were too short and when on tactics when we had to drag the "injured" away the buckles for the straps had a tendancy to break!!! and were a nightmare to clean after being on the ground

So its one of these cases, like all things military, the one before this was better.

eg The FN beat the Steyr, The Bren is better than the MAG, USP is too big BAP was perfect, old every thing is better than new ****e.

If you think about it though are you surprized they broke, They were made by the lowest Bidder.

NoQuarter

ChapOfDRyans wrote: »

any pics of the chest rigs or something similar

yeah in the airport now but will throw up some pics sunday evening.

ex_infantry man

minidazzler wrote: »

So its one of these cases, like all things military, the one before this was better.

eg The FN beat the Steyr, The Bren is better than the MAG, USP is too big BAP was perfect, old every thing is better than new ****e.

If you think about it though are you surprized they broke, They were made by the lowest Bidder.

i suppose so as they say you get what you pay for and that is definately the case with the camo webbing

Pathfinder

minidazzler wrote: »

So its one of these cases, like all things military, the one before this was better.

eg The FN beat the Steyr, The Bren is better than the MAG, USP is too big BAP was perfect, old every thing is better than new ****e.

If you think about it though are you surprized they broke, They were made by the lowest Bidder.

The Bren gun was a good weapon, although it could easily jam in a dusty environment, care had to be taken reloading to avoid cartridge rims overlapping in the wrong way and thus jamming (with the 30 round mag).

magazine springs wore out after a few thousand rounds, hence leaving a round in the magazine, to avoid this.

like the FN it was replaced because it did not comply with NATOs standardised cartridges.

The FN FAL was an excellent weapon, could be fired from the left shoulder, in fully auto mode it used to climb off target, semi auto models could easily be converted with a matchstick in the firing mechanism to fully auto.

The Styer is a more accurate weapon, especially on fully auto, also easier with mobility.


As for webbing 58 webbing was excellent, although hard to dry out, too small and hard to decontaminate if used in NBC exercises. Also a memorable experience when you had to run around it for hours (chaffing etc)The poncho was very useful.

Modern full marching order needs top be about 100L, including a 35 L daysack, large enough to supply the needs of a soldier for at least 48 hours(daysack that is).

In NI, in South Armagh etc, we often went out for 7-10 days, our kit was around 60 litres, small enough for mobility in a contact/patrolling but enough to supply our needs. The poncho was very handy if laying in a ditch for days observing a farmhouse etc.

As for combat/assault vests,obviously they should be large enough to carry a full combat order.

ChapOfDRyans

why is it that in the pdf and rdf they always call them pooches instead of pouches lol:D:D:D

BigDuffman

grrr I Hate that term, borrowed from the brits and only a select few use it fortunately. seems to come from PDF with a few RDF heads trying to emulate them!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pathfinder wrote: »

In NI, in South Armagh etc, we often went out for 7-10 days, our kit was around 60 litres, small enough for mobility in a contact/patrolling but enough to supply our needs. The poncho was very handy if laying in a ditch for days observing a farmhouse etc.

Right I've bit my tongue on this one.. Now its really wobbling my tits.

WTF are you posting that sh*t on an Irish forum for?.

Although you were engaged in fighting armed elements of the republican movements you were/are still an army of occupation and regardless of the justifications you might come up with, the British Army still killed a lot of innocent non-combatants and you should know posting crap like this on an Irish forum is going to raise someone's blood.

Pathfinder

Mairt wrote: »

Right I've bit my tongue on this one.. Now its really wobbling my tits.

WTF are you posting that sh*t on an Irish forum for?.

Although you were engaged in fighting armed elements of the republican movements you were/are still an army of occupation and regardless of the justifications you might come up with, the British Army still killed a lot of innocent non-combatants and you should know posting crap like this on an Irish forum is going to raise someone's blood.

Its a post about webbing/kit and its use, its a military forum. Where does it say you have to be a republican to post ?

As for your other point, thats a political point, if thats your point of view I suggest you post a thread in politics.

minidazzler

Pathfinder wrote: »

Its a post about webbing/kit and its use, its a military forum. Where does it say you have to be a republican to post ?

As for your other point, thats a political point, if thats your point of view I suggest you post a thread in politics.

He was on about the Poncho bit. you could have just mentioned the bit about it being useful for observation. You need not mention the Farmhouses of County Armagh.

Stop posting seemingly innocent things that you mean to raise blood.

Why don't you use Arrse? Or were you? are you him?


Anyways the simple fact is the Irish Army now use a DPM pattern webbing. The Olive green type is being recalled to be issued to the RDF.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pathfinder wrote: »

Its a post about webbing/kit and its use, its a military forum. Where does it say you have to be a republican to post ?

As for your other point, thats a political point, if thats your point of view I suggest you post a thread in politics.

I could careless for your view's re. political threads.

Use your cop-on. You have to know that posting that sh*t on an Irish forum will provoke a reponse from someone. Your not a stupid person, so maybe that was your aim?. Wouldn't be the first time you did that here.

Pathfinder

Mairt wrote: »

I could careless for your view's re. political threads.

Use your cop-on. You have to know that posting that sh*t on an Irish forum will provoke a reponse from someone. Your not a stupid person, so maybe that was your aim?. Wouldn't be the first time you did that here.

Its not me who posted a political point of view.

what you are saying is you object to information being posted on things such operations in northern Ireland because of poltical reasons, even if relevant to the topic, which the post was.

Until officially told otherwise, I will continue to post on all military topics. There was nothing wrong with the post.

You might not like the BA but Irish people serve in it both north and south and our experiences are just as valid.

Minidazzler I will ignore your imbecility, as I always do.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pathfinder wrote: »

what you are saying is you object to information being posted on things such operations in northern Ireland because of poltical reasons, even if relevant to the topic, which the post was.

The location was not relevant to the topic.

Tbh I think alot of time you post here to incite arguments, you should use some cop-on (not on issue, some of us were born with it).

Anyway, I'm out of this now. I've said what I have to say and shall just ignore you in future.

For the thread, if I get a chance during the week I'll photograph the some of the new webbing on issue, including new helmet - goggles, knee & elbow pads.

ex_infantry man

Mairt wrote: »

The location was not relevant to the topic.

Tbh I think alot of time you post here to incite arguments, you should use some cop-on (not on issue, some of us were born with it).

Anyway, I'm out of this now. I've said what I have to say and shall just ignore you in future.

For the thread, if I get a chance during the week I'll photograph the some of the new webbing on issue, including new helmet - goggles, knee & elbow pads.

new helmets!!!!!!! u sure they got new helmets thought was just helmet covers that were issued to put on the veitnam era helmets hahahaha

twinytwo

Mairt wrote: »

I could careless for your view's re. political threads.

Use your cop-on. You have to know that posting that sh*t on an Irish forum will provoke a reponse from someone. Your not a stupid person, so maybe that was your aim?. Wouldn't be the first time you did that here.

Well said mairt

the GALL

Pathfinder wrote: »

The Bren gun was a good weapon, although it could easily jam in a dusty environment, care had to be taken reloading to avoid cartridge rims overlapping in the wrong way and thus jamming (with the 30 round mag).

magazine springs wore out after a few thousand rounds, hence leaving a round in the magazine, to avoid this.

like the FN it was replaced because it did not comply with NATOs standardised cartridges.

The FN FAL was an excellent weapon, could be fired from the left shoulder, in fully auto mode it used to climb off target, semi auto models could easily be converted with a matchstick in the firing mechanism to fully auto.

The Styer is a more accurate weapon, especially on fully auto, also easier with mobility.


As for webbing 58 webbing was excellent, although hard to dry out, too small and hard to decontaminate if used in NBC exercises. Also a memorable experience when you had to run around it for hours (chaffing etc)The poncho was very useful.

Modern full marching order needs top be about 100L, including a 35 L daysack, large enough to supply the needs of a soldier for at least 48 hours(daysack that is).

In NI, in South Armagh etc, we often went out for 7-10 days, our kit was around 60 litres, small enough for mobility in a contact/patrolling but enough to supply our needs. The poncho was very handy if laying in a ditch for days observing a farmhouse etc.

As for combat/assault vests,obviously they should be large enough to carry a full combat order.

........yawn ya boring b***ard

Pathfinder

the GALL wrote: »

........yawn ya boring b***ard

You just keep eating your Mars bars fatboy.

Blazher

minidazzler wrote: »

So its one of these cases, like all things military, the one before this was better.

eg The FN beat the Steyr, The Bren is better than the MAG, USP is too big BAP was perfect, old every thing is better than new ****e.

If you think about it though are you surprized they broke, They were made by the lowest Bidder.

You couldnt be more wrong, It's funny and sad how alot of trained soliders know sh!t about the job,


You can't just say " FN Beat the Styer "
The FN FAL was a great rifle yes but once it was took off Semi and put on to Auto it was a waste, Your first shot or two went on target the rest went over the top, The 7.62 round was to big for NATO,

The Styer AUG is one of the best rilfes in the world today, And for a soilder not to see that after being trained on it ...... im lost for words. The AUG shoots the 5.56 NATO round. It has been found that the round is to small that is why the rem 6.8 SPR is being pushed out around the world.

The AUG is lighter, Faster, more accurate, more durable out on the ground. And with the 5.56 round you can carry MORE!!!


As for the Bren and the GPMG they are not on the same level,

The Bren was a good weapon in WW2 but it is out dated, All i can say is take pride in your work and learn about the equipment of your trade. The GPMG is based on one of the best MGs of all times the MG34.

The BAP was a lot of crap, Cheap pistol, Again its not on the same level as the H&K USP. I will agree the USP has problems but its a level up from the BAP


I am not flaming or attacking anyone, But i have seen this alot and it makes me sick, How trainned soilders know NOTHING about the equipment of trade

Pathfinder

Getting back on topic about webbing, the purpose of PLCE ( personal load carrying equipment)combat order,(as opposed to assault and marching order)is to hold everything a soldier needs to operate for 24 hours. This includes ammunition/weapon ancillaries, entrenching tool, bayonet, food and water (and a means to cook), NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection and communications equipment. Soldiers will also often carry other items such as waterproof clothing.

The British Army continues to use belt-based webbing as standard when most other countries are switching to modular systems. While vests and chest rigs may be more suitable for mechanised infantry and urban operations, the load-carrying ability of PLCE makes it well suited to conventional dismounted warfare.

Which is why british infantry units practise assaults wearing PLCE combat order and infantry places such an emphasis on training in combat order.

Assault Order consists of the essentials ammunition, waterbottle, entrenching tool hand (ETH), helmet and NBC clothing (carried in one of the detachable side pouches of the rucksack) for operations and patrols of only short duration.

Combat Order is assault order with the means of stowage for rations and personal equipment to enable a soldier to live and fight for 24 hours. In addition to assault order, the second side pouch of the rucksack is carried. In practice the patrol pack is used by many units and individual soldiers instead of the side pouches as it is larger and more convenient. It is more suited to mechanised infantry and short ops on its own.


The fact remains chest rigs/combat vests are more suited for short ops and mechanised infantry.

twinytwo

Pathfinder wrote: »

Getting back on topic about webbing, the purpose of PLCE ( personal load carrying equipment)combat order,(as opposed to assault and marching order)is to hold everything a soldier needs to operate for 24 hours. This includes ammunition/weapon ancillaries, entrenching tool, bayonet, food and water (and a means to cook), NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection and communications equipment. Soldiers will also often carry other items such as waterproof clothing.

The British Army continues to use belt-based webbing as standard when most other countries are switching to modular systems. While vests and chest rigs may be more suitable for mechanised infantry and urban operations, the load-carrying ability of PLCE makes it well suited to conventional dismounted warfare.

Which is why british infantry units practise assaults wearing PLCE combat order and infantry places such an emphasis on training in combat order.

Assault Order consists of the essentials ammunition, waterbottle, entrenching tool hand (ETH), helmet and NBC clothing (carried in one of the detachable side pouches of the rucksack) for operations and patrols of only short duration.

Combat Order is assault order with the means of stowage for rations and personal equipment to enable a soldier to live and fight for 24 hours. In addition to assault order, the second side pouch of the rucksack is carried. In practice the patrol pack is used by many units and individual soldiers instead of the side pouches as it is larger and more convenient. It is more suited to mechanised infantry and short ops on its own.


The fact remains chest rigs/combat vests are more suited for short ops and mechanised infantry.

U want to stay on topic then stay on it?... the question was what webbing do the pdf use.. why are u yapping on about the british army?

the GALL

Pathfinder wrote: »

Getting back on topic about webbing, the purpose of PLCE ( personal load carrying equipment)combat order,(as opposed to assault and marching order)is to hold everything a soldier needs to operate for 24 hours. This includes ammunition/weapon ancillaries, entrenching tool, bayonet, food and water (and a means to cook), NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection and communications equipment. Soldiers will also often carry other items such as waterproof clothing.

The British Army continues to use belt-based webbing as standard when most other countries are switching to modular systems. While vests and chest rigs may be more suitable for mechanised infantry and urban operations, the load-carrying ability of PLCE makes it well suited to conventional dismounted warfare.

Which is why british infantry units practise assaults wearing PLCE combat order and infantry places such an emphasis on training in combat order.

Assault Order consists of the essentials ammunition, waterbottle, entrenching tool hand (ETH), helmet and NBC clothing (carried in one of the detachable side pouches of the rucksack) for operations and patrols of only short duration.

Combat Order is assault order with the means of stowage for rations and personal equipment to enable a soldier to live and fight for 24 hours. In addition to assault order, the second side pouch of the rucksack is carried. In practice the patrol pack is used by many units and individual soldiers instead of the side pouches as it is larger and more convenient. It is more suited to mechanised infantry and short ops on its own.


The fact remains chest rigs/combat vests are more suited for short ops and mechanised infantry.

yawn....... so you know loads about the BA stop going off topic or you'll be reported for trolling:D

Pathfinder

Posting on the purpose of personal load carrying equipment on a thread called webbing is not trolling.

Especially as unlike most other armies both the British and Irish armies insist on infantry wearing 'daysacks' during section attacks.


And which is questioned by some in the PDF,who say assault order or combat vests would suffice and daysacks slow down momentum.


The post is to clarify its role on a thread called webbing.

minidazzler

Blazher wrote: »

You couldnt be more wrong, It's funny and sad how alot of trained soliders know sh!t about the job,

I know that. I was just saying it like many old SWEATS do. I personally think the steyr beats most weapons. I actually dont believe what I was saying. I was saying it as an example.

i.e. Soldiers generally dont like getting new things if they are very used to the old stuff.

arybvtcw0eolkf

minidazzler wrote: »

I know that. I was just saying it like many old SWEATS do. I personally think the steyr beats most weapons. I actually dont believe what I was saying. I was saying it as an example.

i.e. Soldiers generally dont like getting new things if they are very used to the old stuff.

Hey, I'm an OLD SWEAT

Booo Hooo

ex_infantry man

Mairt wrote: »

Hey, I'm an OLD SWEAT

Booo Hooo

mairt do you hide out in the locker rooms in mckee on a laptop or something coz your online when in fact you should be doing some work!!!!!!!!

the GALL

Pathfinder wrote: »

Posting on the purpose of personal load carrying equipment on a thread called webbing is not trolling.

Especially as unlike most other armies both the British and Irish armies insist on infantry wearing 'daysacks' during section attacks.


And which is questioned by some in the PDF,who say assault order or combat vests would suffice and daysacks slow down momentum.


The post is to clarify its role on a thread called webbing.

For your information the op is about 'WEBBING IN THE PDF' not webbing in the US or the hun army or any other army.....stop going off topic I'll take it the fact i've picked up on this could be that everyone else around here has heard your opinion before and is refusing to rise to you..... .....PATHFINDER ME BO**OX MORE LIKE BILLY NO MATES

RossersToolbox

To aid in stopping the ranting and raving if I may.

The PDF use a irish defence force version of PLCE (Personal Load Carrying Equipment) in Green Synthetic material with Hard Plastic fittings.

It consits of the following in my own personal load carrying format but I a big guy (6'4") so alot of people will complain about this but as the name implys the equipment is personal.

Belt:- Harding wearing with horrible big plastic buckle with FF insignia on it.
I wear a hip pad to absorb some of the friction.

Yoke:- This is a harness which goes over the shoulders, transfering some of the weight of your belt order to the upper body.

On the belt the various pouches (and they are pouches not pooches aholes) from my left hand back around my body to my right hand are as follows.

L/Hand Ammo Pouche, Left Water Bottle Pouche, Large Utility Pouche Left, Large Utility Pouche Right, Right Water Bottle Pouche, R/Hand Ammo Pouche. The content of these util pouches vary according to the role we must perform during any giving exercise.

You must allways remember that the old maxim.."Live from your Bergen, Fight on Your Belt and Survive on your Pockets".

This is the older system of carrying equipment and used also have a daysack which was made up of the the two side pockets of the bergen (Rucksack) zipped together called rocket pouches and carried on the back back means of anopther yoke type straps.

We are moving now into the introduction of the new IPLCE (Individual Personal Load Carrying Equipment) to the Defence Forces which will consit of Body Armour, Helmet, Assault Vest, Patrol Sack and Bergen in DPM and issued to each indiviual soldier, however the RDF will as allways be the last poor ba*tards to recieve the gucci gear kit as per the normal practice.

There is an even older version of webbing in use which is called 58 pattern webbing which is a horrible water absorbing cnut of a thing which thank god has stayed in my attic for the well over 14 years when I first got it as an FCA Recruit and should not be inflicted upon anyone even the enemy, you can still see the odd appearance of this relic from time to time.

To maintain the fighting effectiveness of a soldier in the field you will allways need some form of Load Carrying Equipment and since adaptability and improvisation remain key weapons in a professional soldiers arsenal the role of PLCE, Assaults Vest and Bergen will be used in as many different ways by as many different people to fulfill the many different roles facing the modern combat soldier.

Also on a lighter note the only things a real soldier needs are these bare essentials without which a soldier is well and truly fnuked.

"Ammo, Water, Knife, Food, Jacks Roll and someone else to bitch about"

twinytwo

RossersToolbox wrote: »

To aid in stopping the ranting and raving if I may.

The PDF use a irish defence force version of PLCE (Personal Load Carrying Equipment) in Green Synthetic material with Hard Plastic fittings.

It consits of the following in my own personal load carrying format but I a big guy (6'4") so alot of people will complain about this but as the name implys the equipment is personal.

Belt:- Harding wearing with horrible big plastic buckle with FF insignia on it.
I wear a hip pad to absorb some of the friction.

Yoke:- This is a harness which goes over the shoulders, transfering some of the weight of your belt order to the upper body.

On the belt the various pouches (and they are pouches not pooches aholes) from my left hand back around my body to my right hand are as follows.

L/Hand Ammo Pouche, Left Water Bottle Pouche, Large Utility Pouche Left, Large Utility Pouche Right, Right Water Bottle Pouche, R/Hand Ammo Pouche. The content of these util pouches vary according to the role we must perform during any giving exercise.

You must allways remember that the old maxim.."Live from your Bergen, Fight on Your Belt and Survive on your Pockets".

This is the older system of carrying equipment and used also have a daysack which was made up of the the two side pockets of the bergen (Rucksack) zipped together called rocket pouches and carried on the back back means of anopther yoke type straps.

We are moving now into the introduction of the new IPLCE (Individual Personal Load Carrying Equipment) to the Defence Forces which will consit of Body Armour, Helmet, Assault Vest, Patrol Sack and Bergen in DPM and issued to each indiviual soldier, however the RDF will as allways be the last poor ba*tards to recieve the gucci gear kit as per the normal practice.

There is an even older version of webbing in use which is called 58 pattern webbing which is a horrible water absorbing cnut of a thing which thank god has stayed in my attic for the well over 14 years when I first got it as an FCA Recruit and should not be inflicted upon anyone even the enemy, you can still see the odd appearance of this relic from time to time.

To maintain the fighting effectiveness of a soldier in the field you will allways need some form of Load Carrying Equipment and since adaptability and improvisation remain key weapons in a professional soldiers arsenal the role of PLCE, Assaults Vest and Bergen will be used in as many different ways by as many different people to fulfill the many different roles facing the modern combat soldier.

Also on a lighter note the only things a real soldier needs are these bare essentials without which a soldier is well and truly fnuked.

"Ammo, Water, Knife, Food, Jacks Roll and someone else to bitch about"

good post.. but on a side note are the pdf issued a knife?..

cp251

Jaysus, it seems Mairt and a few others don't seem to realise the 'war' is over. Far from acting like serving members of the Irish army you talk as if you should be be members or a certain other army. Thin skinned 'patriots' all of you.

Pathfinders original post was far from politiical but your replies certainly are. Also I think attempts at unofficial moderating won't be appreciated by Hagar.

Lest I be accused of going off topic. I still have my set of '37 pattern webbing. Which was finally issued to us with the advice 'Not to return when you leave under any circumstances. Because if you do, we will never get any newer ones.'

arybvtcw0eolkf

cp251 wrote: »

Jaysus, it seems Mairt and a few others don't seem to realise the 'war' is over. Far from acting like serving members of the Irish army you talk as if you should be be members or a certain other army. Thin skinned 'patriots' all of you.

Pathfinders original post was far from politiical but your replies certainly are. Also I think attempts at unofficial moderating won't be appreciated by Hagar.

Lest I be accused of going off topic. I still have my set of '37 pattern webbing. Which was finally issued to us with the advice 'Not to return when you leave under any circumstances. Because if you do, we will never get any newer ones.'

Blow it out your arse with your comments connecting me with the I.R.A or any "other army" & your thin skinned comments.

No where have I ever condoned what was done by any side in N.I.. Not once.

In fact in one post somewhere here I said I mourned the fact that young British soldiers were killed in a conflict here in Ireland.

cp251

So why this then?

Although you were engaged in fighting armed elements of the republican movements you were/are still an army of occupation and regardless of the justifications you might come up with, the British Army still killed a lot of innocent non-combatants

I didn't link you to any group, you did that. I didn't say you condoned anything, you took that inference yourself.

The 'army of occupation' crack is classic republican propaganda and used to justify many a murder over the years. Not a comment you'd expect from a serving Irish soldier.

I don't know what pathfinder did to you but it all looks ad hominen to me.

the GALL

cp251 wrote: »

So why this then?

I didn't link you to any group, you did that. I didn't say you condoned anything, you took that inference yourself.

The 'army of occupation' crack is classic republican propaganda and used to justify many a murder over the years. Not a comment you'd expect from a serving Irish soldier.

I don't know what pathfinder did to you but it all looks ad hominen to me.

ad hominen ..that comment shouldn't be used it's been proved invalid in the tread ....mairt you the man now... put it up( your photos) .... pathfinder..... well done another nice thread you've f**k up, you've a massive c**k and your great:rolleyes: how''d you get on in coalisland another stunning/glorious victory?

RossersToolbox

TwinyTwo, I'll skip the argument and reply directly to you.

Its a good Irish answer we are and we arent issued a Knife.

The Steyr Rifle has a bayonet which can be used on the rifle as a bayonet or in the hand as a fighting knife (please dont start a new argument about this a fighting knife is any sharp pointy bit of metal in the real world), this is only issued at certain times when the powers that be dictate, thank god for this because the average young man in the defence force is, when you get down to it, is under the skin a fcuking magpie and will half inch anything so shiny.

The Naval Service has issued various knifes over the years including a claspknife wiht a spike and straight blade no longer issued, A seamans knife kit is issued to guess who?, your right! seaman which contains a pair of pliers, a spike and a serrated knife for rope work and deck work etc.

At any given time while on the ground however I have in my possession various tools and blades to assit me in my work and to make life easier for me while on the ground.

1. A properly sharpened Steyr Bayonet on my belt when issued.(not upside fcuking down taped to my webbing)
2. A properly sharpened 3" Lockknife in my R/Hand Smock Pocket.
3. A good quality Multitool in a sheath in my L/Hand Smock Pocket.
4. A good quality 8" Folding Saw in a sheath in my Patrol Sack.
5. A good quality Secateurs attached to my belt order.

Sorry if the answer is a bit long winded, TwinyTwo.

ChapOfDRyans

for a person who has the gpmg is the webbing layout the same just that instead of mags they have belts of ammo,if it is differant what would be the layout

NoQuarter

no its the same except as you said, they carry belts instead of mags

twinytwo

RossersToolbox wrote: »

TwinyTwo, I'll skip the argument and reply directly to you.

Its a good Irish answer we are and we arent issued a Knife.

The Steyr Rifle has a bayonet which can be used on the rifle as a bayonet or in the hand as a fighting knife (please dont start a new argument about this a fighting knife is any sharp pointy bit of metal in the real world), this is only issued at certain times when the powers that be dictate, thank god for this because the average young man in the defence force is, when you get down to it, is under the skin a fcuking magpie and will half inch anything so shiny.

The Naval Service has issued various knifes over the years including a claspknife wiht a spike and straight blade no longer issued, A seamans knife kit is issued to guess who?, your right! seaman which contains a pair of pliers, a spike and a serrated knife for rope work and deck work etc.

At any given time while on the ground however I have in my possession various tools and blades to assit me in my work and to make life easier for me while on the ground.

1. A properly sharpened Steyr Bayonet on my belt when issued.(not upside fcuking down taped to my webbing)
2. A properly sharpened 3" Lockknife in my R/Hand Smock Pocket.
3. A good quality Multitool in a sheath in my L/Hand Smock Pocket.
4. A good quality 8" Folding Saw in a sheath in my Patrol Sack.
5. A good quality Secateurs attached to my belt order.

Sorry if the answer is a bit long winded, TwinyTwo.

no not long winded at all thanks for the reply

milmo

RossersToolbox wrote: »

To aid in stopping the ranting and raving if I may.

The PDF use a irish defence force version of PLCE (Personal Load Carrying Equipment) in Green Synthetic material with Hard Plastic fittings.


Belt:- Harding wearing with horrible big plastic buckle with FF insignia on it.
I wear a hip pad to absorb some of the friction.

1. The webbing isn't an Irish version of anything. It is green, non DPM, PLCE given an Irish name.

2. If the webbing is personal issue I would would be greatful if you could post a picture. The CEFO belt is not as you have described. There is a sh1te belt issued for OOs, BOSs, ceremonial with a pistol etc that has the FF crest on the buckle, but it is not possible to use this as part of webbing . You would do yourself an injury if you tried to use it with weight.

3. The bayonet is not to be sharpened.

NoQuarter

obviously enough i never sat down to take a picture of my CEFO on its own so this is the best i can do





heres the chest rigs we were given in kosovo:



and heres one of the lads own chestrigs which we were allowed wear



that is all....:)

NoQuarter

WOW they ended up much bigger than i thought!!!

apologies to dial up users!! :rolleyes:

ChapOfDRyans

in the second and third photo is that webbing issued to the pdf and is meat to be worn with the first photo webbing

NoQuarter

as it says in the post(although ill forgive you not seeing it with the incredibly large pics) the 2nd and 3rd photos are the chest rigs we were issued in kosovo, not meant to be worn with the CEFO, CEFO wasnt even brought with us overseas as there was no need for it

concussion

Pathfinder wrote: »

Getting back on topic about webbing, the purpose of PLCE ( personal load carrying equipment)combat order,(as opposed to assault and marching order)is to hold everything a soldier needs to operate for 24 hours. This includes ammunition/weapon ancillaries, entrenching tool, bayonet, food and water (and a means to cook), NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection and communications equipment. Soldiers will also often carry other items such as waterproof clothing.

The British Army continues to use belt-based webbing as standard when most other countries are switching to modular systems. While vests and chest rigs may be more suitable for mechanised infantry and urban operations, the load-carrying ability of PLCE makes it well suited to conventional dismounted warfare.

Which is why british infantry units practise assaults wearing PLCE combat order and infantry places such an emphasis on training in combat order.

Assault Order consists of the essentials ammunition, waterbottle, entrenching tool hand (ETH), helmet and NBC clothing (carried in one of the detachable side pouches of the rucksack) for operations and patrols of only short duration.

Combat Order is assault order with the means of stowage for rations and personal equipment to enable a soldier to live and fight for 24 hours. In addition to assault order, the second side pouch of the rucksack is carried. In practice the patrol pack is used by many units and individual soldiers instead of the side pouches as it is larger and more convenient. It is more suited to mechanised infantry and short ops on its own.


The fact remains chest rigs/combat vests are more suited for short ops and mechanised infantry.

Well done, you finally figured out how to remove the hyperlinks from all the info you've been pasting in here. How about next time you actually post your own info and not copy from wikipedia??

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Load_Carrying_Equipment

"Personal Load Carrying Equipment (PLCE) is the current tactical webbing system of the British Army. It consists of a belt, yoke (shoulder harness) and a number of pouches. Associated with PLCE webbing is a series of other similar load carrying equipment and rucksacks (See ‘Components’).
The purpose of PLCE is to hold everything a soldier needs to operate for 24 hours. This includes ammunition/weapon ancillaries, entrenching tool, bayonet, food and water (and a means to cook), NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) protection and communications equipment. Soldiers will also often carry other items such as waterproof clothing and spare socks.
PLCE is also very popular with paintball/airsoft players, as high quality surplus is available at a reasonable price. Most web resources relating to PLCE are recreational (see links).
The British Army continues to use belt-based webbing as standard when most other countries are switching to modular systems. While vests and chest rigs may be more suitable for mechanised infantry and urban operations, the load-carrying ability of PLCE makes it well suited to conventional dismounted warfare."