[US/IRL] 4X07 - "Ji Yeon" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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Episode Title: "Ji Yeon"
Airdate: March 13th 2008

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Juliet is forced to reveal some startling news to Jin when Sun threatens to move to Locke's camp. Meanwhile, Sayid and Desmond begin to get an idea of the freighter's crew when they meet the ship's captain.

Next New Episode: 4X08 -

"Meet Kevin Johnson"

- March 20th 2008

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ABC (US) - March 13th 2008
RTÉ (IRL) - March 17th 2008

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Axwell

6

Is it just me or did that guy Kevin Johnson look really like...omg its Michael..and hes on the boat

Good episode was a bit confusing until the end when you see Sun at home with the baby. From the dates on the headstone it seems its a fake and Jin isnt dead as the dates are for the 22/09/04 but its already past that in the current island timeline and is around Christmas day 2004. So Jin is possibly still on the island and Sun and the others pretended he died either during the plane crash or as one of the 2 that died shortly after the crash.
Good the way the story moved along as it seemed the whole time Jin was trying to make it to the hospital for his own childs birth when really he was working for his boss, a Jin flashback combined with a Sun flash forward.
Also we now know Charles Withmore is very much involved in this whole thing, will be interesting to see how it pans out as Ben says Withmore is the baddie while the captain hints at Ben being involved in setting up the fake wreckage that was discovered.

Another good episode for this season 7/10

AntiRip

6

Axwell wrote: »

Good the way the story moved along as it seemed the whole time Jin was trying to make it to the hospital for his own childs birth when really he was working for his boss, a Jin flashback combined with a Sun flash forward

Thanks for that Axwell. That confused the hell out of me at the end! A pretty ok episode, also gave it a 7/10

AdMMM

An intruiging episode to say the least. The Jin flashback coupled with the Sun flashforward was very confusing and I initially came to the conclusion that Jin had started a new life, but it wasn't to be!

I would have liked to have seen more of Desmonds reaction to finding out that Widmore owns the boat, but I suppose I can't have everything!

Wow... Michael was on the boat! Was totally unprepared for that .

As an aside, does Myles still have that grenade in his mouth??

Sherifu

6

The Jin/Sun flashtwist at the end made the ep a bit better. The woman[from Deathproof I believe] reading the book upside down & then jumping off the boat and the bloodstain in the cabin show the crew are cracking from 'being too close to the island' whatever it's doing to them. The captain said cabin fever but I doubt it. Michael is on the boat but I wonder if he's doing it all alone or if there is someone else working for Ben too. Seems there has been a lot of damage done. Juliet - what a bitch. I too believe Jin is still alive and still on the island. Sun will be there whenever Jack finally launches his attempt to get back to the island. Captain was very chatty, most strange for lost. Ben is possibly behind the staged plane. I wanted to know what was on the flight recorder. Good enough for a 7/10.

Yakult

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R_H_C_P: read the charter!

EDIT:

Sorry for asking. Completly forgot.

bytesize

T'was an ok episode. I hope Jin is alive and still on the island and the fact that the writers have said that the losties will get off the island by the end of this season indicates that the remaining seasons will be off island and about getting back onto the island and probably switch between scenes from off island and on island.

I wonder what the significance, other than to mess with people's heads, was about who Jin was bringing the bear to.

abelard

6

There haven't been that many minor easter eggs in recent episodes, but, as I'm sure many noticed, in the first flashforward sequence, Sun was watching Nikki's Exposé (dubbed in Korean) on the television.

Liked the episode, I thought Sun and Juliette (or the actors) put in great performances. I like the fact that the writers are messing with the "flashes" - ie it used to be just flashbacks, but now we have no flashes, flashforwards, combined flashforward/backs, multiple character flashes and other flash related happenings (like Desmond's mind jump thing).

Not big on the shocking reveals when you factor in that we all figured Michael would be on the boat, but I guess that would have been major otherwise. The captain at least offered some newish info. It's building well towards a "who to trust" scenario between the boat crew and Ben.

Also it seems Kate doesn't trust the newcomers at all, which is bound to lead to tension between her and Jack, plus Kate's dislike of Juliette and you've got a nice little drama triangle for a future episode.

I do think Jin is actually dead, or else Sun is one hell of an actor herself. If it was just in the hospital then maybe, but the scenes between her and Hurley at the end made me think that he is actually dead as there surely would have been no need for such affectation.

On a random note, when Hurley turned up at the end and asked Sun if anyone else had come, and she said no, and Hurley said "goood" in an incredibly sleazy way, did anyone else get...well...the wrong idea? I know I was getting ready to hide behind the couch!

Xyo

I thought Hurley was tappin' that, but no.

eddiehead

7

abelard wrote: »

Hurley said "goood" in an incredibly sleazy way, did anyone else get...well...the wrong idea? I know I was getting ready to hide behind the couch!

Yep, i got that to, I was waiting for him to say ''duuude, were alone, sweeeet'':D LOL, How wrong would that be.

I thought it was a good episode overall though, I also think Jin is still alive. When it showed the headstone it seemed to focus on it a bit much for it not to be relevant to something, even though i cant read Korean(but ill trust axwell on the dodgy dates thing).

Sherifu

6

Yea, got the sleaze vibe alright. The captain was a guy from sg1 and noticed Exposé on the tv - forgot to mention those earlier.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the captain was from sg1? it was the other dude.. in the wife beater with the big teeth smile..

Sherifu

6

Mordeth wrote: »

the captain was from sg1? it was the other dude.. in the wife beater with the big teeth smile..

Oh yes, got them muddled. The guy that plays Keamy was in sg1.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Jaffa, Kri!

Sherifu

6

He does make a good henchman. I wonder if that's why he was cast in Lost. If they'll make him do bad things soon.

gustavo

7

Enjoyable episode really , I like Jin as a character so its nice to see him have some screen time , though his English was unusually good for someone who didnt speak it before coming on the island. I was hoping we'd get more Micheal by the end but I suppose it'll be all him next week

Gavin W

7

Axwell wrote: »

From the dates on the headstone it seems its a fake and Jin isnt dead as the dates are for the 22/09/04

Ah...really? Didn't spot that. That's confusing, I mentioned in another thread that I'd read a couple of months back that the Oceanic Six would be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin and Sun, but if Jin officially died in the plane crash along with everyone else then he can't be one of them. So who's the sixth? Aaron? Or someone else?

bytesize wrote: »

T'was an ok episode. I hope Jin is alive and still on the island and the fact that the writers have said that the losties will get off the island by the end of this season indicates that the remaining seasons will be off island and about getting back onto the island and probably switch between scenes from off island and on island.

They've apparently said that:

Season 4 is about who gets off the island in the future, season 5 will be about why they want to get back, and season 6 will be the consequences of what happens after they get back.

abelard wrote: »

On a random note, when Hurley turned up at the end and asked Sun if anyone else had come, and she said no, and Hurley said "goood" in an incredibly sleazy way, did anyone else get...well...the wrong idea? I know I was getting ready to hide behind the couch!

Oh god yes, I was expecting skinny little Sun to be enveloped in a mountain of flab and tongue! :eek:

I'm all in favour of Hurley getting some romantic action, but there's something very wrong with the fairness and justice of the Universe if a guy like him could succeed with a looker like her where I wouldn't!

tvnutz

6

Not a bad episode,definatly the best episode that involved Sun and Jin. I liked how they mixed flashbacks and flashforwards as well.

How great would that Michael reveal have been had we not been told he was returning to the show? Although we knew it was coming I still thought it was a great scene.

So is Jin actually dead then? I guess there are two ways it can go,he is definatly dead but they had to put the date of the crash on his headstone as to the outside world only the Oceanic 6 survived,the rest died in the crash on that day. The other option is that he is still alive on the island,but they have to pretend he is dead like the rest of them for whatever reason,and that of course would mean still putting the date of the crash on his headstone.

It was the date of the crash on the head stone wasn't it? September 04?

7/10

doonothing

6

abelard wrote: »

On a random note, when Hurley turned up at the end and asked Sun if anyone else had come, and she said no, and Hurley said "goood" in an incredibly sleazy way, did anyone else get...well...the wrong idea? I know I was getting ready to hide behind the couch!

That was gas! I thought he was riding Sun, while Jin had a new missus for a second there...
I really wonder if Jin is dead, both options seem just as likely..
Michael, meh.
The stuff about the next series being about trying to get back to the island etc, will we not see the characters who stayed behind? Surely they'll never cut out Locke and Sawyer etc. I think we'll have on and offf island bits until they get back there.
Ben crash cover up? OoooOOOooOOooo
Lost isn't back til the end of April after next week, innit?

Oh, and I'd give that episode a 7. DAMN this series is great so far!

Gavin W

7

Did anyone else realise afterwards that the shopkeeper's line about the toy dragon "bringing good luck in the year of the dragon" was probably a blatant clue that Jin's scenes were a flashback? I bet that the last year of the dragon was 2002 or 2003 or something.

abelard wrote: »

I do think Jin is actually dead, or else Sun is one hell of an actor herself. If it was just in the hospital then maybe, but the scenes between her and Hurley at the end made me think that he is actually dead as there surely would have been no need for such affectation.

That was initially my take on it too... but now i'm not so sure. What if he is alive, but stuck back on the island? So to all intents and purposes he's "dead" because it's impossible for any of them to get back there and she believes she'll never see him again. All she can do is talk to a fake headstone. There's actually nothing in the dialogue where she or Hurley mention Jin being dead at all, she just says how she misses him so much, how she wishes he was there for the birth, etc. That would certainly give her reason to be so upset, as well as explaining why she was asking for Jin in the hospital.

And if Jack ever puts together his plan of getting them all together and going back, she'd have the strongest motivation for returning.

Sherifu

6

5 February 2000 - 23 January 2001: Metal Dragon

ghouldaddy07

6

a friend of mine stated about 3 weeks back that the actor who plays jin was caught drink driving if thats the case the writers probly will kill him off.

Sherifu

6

ghouldaddy07 wrote: »

a friend of mine stated about 3 weeks back that the actor who plays jin was caught drink driving if thats the case the writers probly will kill him off.

It's true. Dunno if they'll kill him off though.

ShaneU

5

Another confusing episode.

next weeks episode is focusing on

Michael

, should clear up a few things, but then again, probably not.

Mod Edit: Spoiler tag added. No talking about future episodes here.

Faith

6

I enjoyed it. The final scene was really touching (I may have shed a tear...). I was CONVINCED that it was Libby who jumped off the boat until I watched again. Ben arranged the fake plane then? It keeps getting more interesting!

Sherifu

6

ShaneU wrote: »

Another confusing episode.

next weeks episode is ...., should clear up a few things, but then again, probably not.

Next weeks episode doesn't belong here.

pickarooney

7

Why were there three dates on the headstone - '74, 80 and '04?

Sherifu

6

pickarooney wrote: »

Why were there three dates on the headstone - '74, 80 and '04?

Seemed to have 3 dates on it:
1980/3/20 - Sun dob?
1974/11/27 -Jin dob?
2004/9/22 - Jin died

pickarooney

7

Kind of morbid to put the DOB of someone who's still alive on a headstone, no?
Then again, I reckoned they would have erected it not long after the entire passenger list of flight 815 was declared dead, in which case Sun's DOD should have been on it...

Sherifu

6

Just throwing it out there.

L31mr0d

5

pickarooney wrote: »

Kind of morbid to put the DOB of someone who's still alive on a headstone, no?

why?

Thought it was an ok episode but I really don't like Sun and Jin. Gave it a 6 because I figured it was a Jin flashback early on and the Micheal reveal was already known. Also, we already knew from last week that Widmore owned the boat. So nothing really new this week.

randomchild

L31mr0d wrote: »

why?

Thought it was an ok episode but I really don't like Sun and Jin. Gave it a 6 because I figured it was a Jin flashback early on and the Micheal reveal was already known. Also, we already knew from last week that Widmore owned the boat. So nothing really new this week.

What about the fact that Ben planted the fake plane, or meeting the captain? Sun being a member of the Oceanic 6 is also new info.

Agamemnon

7

OMFG!!!! MICHAEL!!!!!! THEY TOOK MAH BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't see that one coming! :rolleyes:

In fairness, the writers did a pretty good job of balancing things between casual fans and discuss-it-on-the internet fans like us. Casual fans would have been all :eek: at Michael's reappearance while we knew he was coming back from his name in the credits but we were kept guessing as to when.

Wonder what that bloodstain in the room on the ship was from? Another suicide or was someone executed? What errand is the helicopter running?

Jin getting over Sun's infidelity was a bit rushed. All he had to do was catch a fish and get a pep talk from Bernard (the Dr. Phil of Lost) and he was ok with it.

Good stuff for a Sun & Jin episode though, largely because of the scenes on the boat. Roll on next week.

Snake Plisken

8

Gets a 9 from me, as I like Sun & Jin I know people think Jin isn't dead but why did Sun and Hurley Dress in Black and visit his grave, as for the death date that would be part of the coverup so they said he died on the flight, I think Jin does die on the island otherwise they would not have visited the grave, I think Hurley says lets go see Jin, so maybe he got off the island but gets shot or wounded and dies after being rescued so making thus making the Oceanic 7 into the Oceaninc 6! If he was still alive on the Island Jin wouldn't have been in mourning! So another episode this season that got me all teary eyed!
Oh yeah I hate Juliette lets hope she gets killed off soon. And worse kept secret Micheal is on the boat, I hope Sayyid tortures him to death if he says "I had to do what I did THEY TOOK WALT"

Sad Professor

7

Leave Juliet alone, Snake. I love her.

Anyway I thought this was a great episode. Nothing super exciting happened mind you so I can understand people not liking it. But I thought it did a good job of bringing some of the Sun/Jin story to a close. These two characters really have a come along way since we first met them in the pilot.

I think we can now safely identify the Oceanic 6 as being: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron.

The writers could certainly twist things to reveal that Jin is still alive on the island but after the scene in the graveyard it would seem like an awful cheat. They already cheated enough in this ep, the final scene has to be true or the whole episode is pointless. So I'm assuming Jin dies on island trying to get Sun rescued. Whether his body gets brought back or not doesn't really matter.

Sure we all saw it coming but I liked the way Michael was revealed: a janitor mopping the floor and the sound as he walked down the corridor; and the way Sayid didn't even blink. Great stuff.

8/10

Sherifu

6

I was thinking Sun/Hurley believe Jin is dead but may learn he's still alive and help Jack to get back to the island.

Snake Plisken

8

Sherifu wrote: »

I was thinking Sun/Hurley believe Jin is dead but may learn he's still alive and help Jack to get back to the island.

Wishful thinking I hope I'm wrong and at some point in the future that Jin,Sun and Baby Ji Yeon will be re-united as that would be a strong emotional scene typical of the one's that Lost likes to drop on its fans every now and then so lets hope Jins alive on the island

Mr.Nice Guy

7

Anyone else get the feeling that Jin is still alive but there has been a cover-up and Sun now thinks he's dead? Also was the guy who bumped into Jin and took his cab the same guy Sun saw in the hospital? That episode has me all befuddled. I'll probably have to watch it again. Guess I just don't want to believe that Jin dies.

I thought the re-appearance of Michael was cleverly done. I wonder will Michael - oh excuse me Kevin, reveal all to Sayid? Assuming he is the 'friend on the boat' as Minkowski put it.

I also really liked the convo between Bernard and Jin about Locke. I like how the writers are trying to make the viewers question Locke's morals and judgement, labelling him a murderer. I imagine we'll hear more of this kind of thing in future episodes as more of the group question Locke. In fact, didn't Ben allude to this in the last episode about how a leader's decisions always get questioned. Seems like Locke will be under the spotlight pretty soon. This is one viewer that won't turn on Locke though. I'm a Locke loyalist. :cool:

Overall a nice, thought-provoking episode. 8/10 for me.

AlmightyCushion

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that Jin is still alive but there has been a cover-up and Sun now thinks he's dead? Also was the guy who bumped into Jin and took his cab the same guy Sun saw in the hospital? That episode has me all befuddled. I'll probably have to watch it again. Guess I just don't want to believe that Jin dies.

Scenes with Jin are a flashback, scenes with sun are a flashforward.

cooker3

7

That episode was really messed up. The last 10 minutes was sort of like the constant, I was really confused about what was happening.

Obviously it is been left somewhat open about Jin, he maybe dead, maybe not. Although his tombstone should be another lesson for all cast members, don't get a DUI! My hunch is he is dead for reasons Sad Professor mentioned but I really wouldn't be surprised by anything. I am glad Sun is 1 of the 6 for reasons I mentioned in other thread, don't have to see another dull korean flashback. although I did love Jin shouting at taxi "I'll kill you, I'll rip your head off"

I thought Michaels return was nicely done considering we all knew about it. Obviously it would have been better if we didn't know(why I hate all spoilers) but it was really understated and not done in a omg I bet you didn't see that coming type of way. I also liked openness of captain, we need more characters like that!

Overall I'd give it a 8 I think, it revealed final 1 of the O6, nice twist at end and pretty good episode

oleras

Agamemnon wrote: »

Jin getting over Sun's infidelity was a bit rushed. All he had to do was catch a fish and get a pep talk from Bernard (the Dr. Phil of Lost) and he was ok with it.

I thought he knew already about her slutting around, thats why baldie took a nose dive from a balcony ? cant remember what episode though.or it all could have happened in my head......:D

Sherifu

6

oleras wrote: »

I thought he knew already about her slutting around, thats why baldie took a nose dive from a balcony ? cant remember what episode though.or it all could have happened in my head......:D

Yes that happened but we don't know if Jin did it.

lostexpectation

6

but jin still knew didn't he?

Sherifu

6

Dunno.

oleras

Sherifu wrote: »

Yes that happened but we don't know if Jin did it.

true, it could have been Sun's dad.

Agamemnon

7

oleras wrote: »

I thought he knew already about her slutting around, thats why baldie took a nose dive from a balcony ? cant remember what episode though.or it all could have happened in my head......:D

I'd forgotten about that - maybe Jin only suspected Sun was having an affair then or maybe he reacted the way he did in this episode because the affair is known to other people on the island now.

Mr.Nice Guy

7

Jin didn't know about the affair Sun had. Sun's father knew and told Jin that he had been stealing from the company and so ordered Jin to kill him but instead Jin told him to leave the country. The guy then apparently killed himself as Jin was about to leave. (He hit Jin's car I think?)

Anyway, Jin had nothing to do with it.

Gavin W

7

Yeah Jin was sitting in the car when baldy landed on it. Either he commited suicide or Sun's dad threw him off the balcony.

mewso

7

O.k for those who think Jin is still alive then who was Jack shedding tears for in the first flash-forward we saw? Also considering the time travel element we now have does it really matter who is dead or alive as the very last episode ever can just have Desmond going into the past, picking a leaf off the ground thus changing the future and saving everyone.

AlmightyCushion

musician wrote: »

O.k for those who think Jin is still alive then who was Jack shedding tears for in the first flash-forward we saw?

I don't think it was Jin. If it was Jin why was it in America and why was Sun not there. The first flash forward also seemed to have happened after the flash forward in this episode.

Sad Professor

7

musician wrote: »

Also considering the time travel element we now have does it really matter who is dead or alive as the very last episode ever can just have Desmond going into the past, picking a leaf off the ground thus changing the future and saving everyone.

The writers have said several times that they aren't going to press the so called reset button. So the future as seen in the flashforwards isn't going to change.