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Pundits talking nonsence

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    So what your saying is if you have one main striker, who scores alot of game winning goals then its wrong?

    So Torres scores alot of goals that have won games, he is the main striker its his job to score the goals. I just think alot of non Liverpool fans are jealious that Liverpool have him.

    nope, i never mentioned anything about torres, or liverpool, or anything

    i was pointing out that your mans rant about the "incorrect" stat isnt correct, because hes basing that on his incorrect interpretation of the statement

    my point was about the original post, not about fernando torres or liverpool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    and how many times this year have Tevez or Ronaldo scored winners or goals in games Utd only won by a goal this year? I would vouch, quite a few.

    The whole point is a stupid one being made by pundits in teh first place. What IF gerrard and Torres didnt play for Liverpool..... well, so wat?! they do and we are happy about that! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭lpool2k05


    So what your saying is if you have one main striker, who scores alot of game winning goals then its wrong?

    So Torres scores alot of goals that have won games, he is the main striker its his job to score the goals. I just think alot of non Liverpool fans are jealious that Liverpool have him.

    +1

    Liverpool are playing to the strengths of Torres and Gerrard!!!Saying they would be 13th without them is stupid as whoever is replacing them may score goals in those games!!

    You cant have Torres!!HES OURS!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭gucci


    pundits should spend their time figuring out where newcastle would be with sam allerdyce instead of keegan!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭lpool2k05


    I just did a quick tally there!!I checked twice but Im open to correction

    Utd without Tevez and Ronaldo--45 points!! they are currently 64(drop of 19 points)
    Pool without Torres and Gerrard--38 points!! they are currently 56(drop of 18 points)

    Guess both teams rely on both partnerships!!Then again players who replace them may score a few goals as well proving that its so pointless saying what if this what if that!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    right, seeing as im doing nothing in work for the next few minutes

    Liverpool 3-0 Newcastle
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Win, points alteration = 0

    Liverpool 4-0 West Ham
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 2

    Bolton 1-3 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-3 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 3-2 Middlesbrough
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-2 Loss, points deduction = 3

    Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 3-0 Sunderland
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Win, points deduction = 0

    West Ham 1-0 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Loss, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 2-2 Aston Villa
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 2-2 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Middlesbrough 1-1 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Loss, points deduction = 1

    Liverpool 1-1 Wigan
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-1 Loss, points deduction = 1

    Man City 0-0 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Derby 1-2 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Loss, points deduction = 3

    Liverpool 4-1 Portsmouth
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 2-1 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 0-1 Man Utd
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-1 Loss, points deduction = 0

    Reading 3-1 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 3-0 Loss, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 4-0 Bolton
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 2-0 Win, points deduction = 0

    Newcastle 0-3 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 2-0 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 2-0 Fulham
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 2

    Blackburn 0-0 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 1-1 Arsenal
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-0 Loss, points deduction = 1

    Everton 1-2 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-2 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 2-2 Tottenham
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-2 Loss, points deduction = 1

    Wigan 0-1 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-1 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 0-0 Birmingham
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Portsmouth 0-0 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-0 Draw, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 6-0 Derby
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 4-0 Win, points deduction = 0

    Sunderland 0-2 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-2 Win, points deduction = 0

    Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 0-1 Loss, points deduction = 1

    Aston Villa 1-2 Liverpool
    -Torres & Gerrard Goals: 1-1 Draw, points deduction = 2

    Total Season Points Deductions: 17

    Current points total -17 = 39points = 11th place in premiership


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    and how many times this year have Tevez or Ronaldo scored winners or goals in games Utd only won by a goal this year? I would vouch, quite a few.

    ill do united when i go home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Helix wrote: »

    Total Season Points Deductions: 17

    Current points total -17 = 39points = 11th place in premiership

    They said 13th?

    omfg they was so wrong tusky you have shown them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    lpool2k05 wrote: »
    I just did a quick tally there!!I checked twice but Im open to correction

    Utd without Tevez and Ronaldo--45 points!! they are currently 64(drop of 19 points)
    Pool without Torres and Gerrard--38 points!! they are currently 56(drop of 18 points)

    Guess both teams rely on both partnerships!!Then again players who replace them may score a few goals as well proving that its so pointless saying what if this what if that!!

    Thank you for this. As I said. very little changes overall....in fact it swings more so in favor of my point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    DesF wrote: »
    Don't forget Moral Courage

    Likes the aul moral courage does Gilesy

    "Honesty of Effort" is Giles' favourite phrase isn't it? :D


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭gucci


    lpool2k05 wrote: »
    I just did a quick tally there!!I checked twice but Im open to correction

    Utd without Tevez and Ronaldo--45 points!! they are currently 64(drop of 19 points)
    Pool without Torres and Gerrard--38 points!! they are currently 56(drop of 18 points)

    Guess both teams rely on both partnerships!!Then again players who replace them may score a few goals as well proving that its so pointless saying what if this what if that!!

    So if most teams played with only 9 players for most the season then their results would be completely different?? This pundit lark would be a great job!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    I was surprised to hear Dunphy spout this last night.

    If it werent for Torres and Gerrard they would be 13th.


    If most teams were playing with 9 players they would also be in the dregs. What kind of fcuking statistic is that? At least say "if you replaced those two with Derbys attackers, then they would be in x place". Which for a club with the pools funds would be a rather odd investment.

    Studies have shown that if Man U only played with Rooney and Ronaldo up front, and no defenders, midfielders or goalie, they would lose 37-1 against Accrington Stanley on a good day. Did you know that a one man team consisting of only Claude Makelele (in his heyday) would still concede 35 goals if attacked by a team of 10 outfield opposing players?

    Amazing stat, isnt it :rolleyes: Honestly, who comes up with this. Next yil hear that if the crossbar was raised by 40 feet we would see more goals scored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Fulham 0 - 3 Man Utd -> No Change
    Newcastle 1 - 5 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 2 Man Cty -> No Change
    Spurs 1 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevez goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Portsmouth -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Reading 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 6 - 0 Newcastle -> No Change
    Aston Villa 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Birmingham -> - 1 Tevez goal (-2 Points)
    West Ham 2 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Sunderland 0 - 4 Man Utd - > No Change
    Man Utd 2 - 1 Everton -> - 2 Ronalodo goals (-3 Points)
    Liverpool 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevex goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Derby -> - 2 Tevez goals, 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Fulham -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Bolton 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 2- 0 Blackburn -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Arsenal 2 - 2 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Boro -> No Change
    Villa 1 - 4 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 4 - 0 -> No Change
    Birmingham 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Chelsea -> No Change
    Everton 0 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Sunderland -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Spurs -> No Change
    Man City 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Pompy 1 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 0 - 0 Reading


    United drop 19 points putting them in joint 8th without Tevez's or Ronaldo's goals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    Fulham 0 - 3 Man Utd -> No Change
    Newcastle 1 - 5 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 2 Man Cty -> No Change
    Spurs 1 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevez goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Portsmouth -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Reading 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 6 - 0 Newcastle -> No Change
    Aston Villa 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Birmingham -> - 1 Tevez goal (-2 Points)
    West Ham 2 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Sunderland 0 - 4 Man Utd - > No Change
    Man Utd 2 - 1 Everton -> - 2 Ronalodo goals (-3 Points)
    Liverpool 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevex goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Derby -> - 2 Tevez goals, 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Fulham -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Bolton 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 2- 0 Blackburn -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Arsenal 2 - 2 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Boro -> No Change
    Villa 1 - 4 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 4 - 0 -> No Change
    Birmingham 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Chelsea -> No Change
    Everton 0 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Sunderland -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Spurs -> No Change
    Man City 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Pompy 1 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 0 - 0 Reading


    United drop 19 points putting them in joint 8th without Tevez's or Ronaldo's goals.

    Cheers.

    Manchester Utd drop 19 points and 6 places down to 8th.
    Liverpool drop 17 points and 7 places down to 11th.

    Point proved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Tusky wrote: »
    Cheers.

    Manchester Utd drop 19 points and 6 places down to 8th.
    Liverpool drop 17 points and 7 places down to 11th.

    Point proved.

    DING DING DING!!

    Gray and Rednapp are unbelievably bad analysts. I take the point that on a general level most pundits talk crap. But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way. How is it that Guim Ballique (sp :o - the Spanish soccer analyst on Sky) can be so competent at his job whereas the rest are generally under prepared and / or inarticulate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    DING DING DING!!

    Gray and Rednapp are unbelievably bad analysts. I take the point that on a general level most pundits talk crap. But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way. How is it that Guim Ballique (sp :o - the Spanish soccer analyst on Sky) can be so competent at his job whereas the rest are generally under prepared and / or inarticulate?

    Pretty sure Guillem could do as good a job any Prem pundit could do on the Premiership, while most Prem pundits wouldn't know their ar$e from their elbow if they had to comment on La Liga.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭BobbyD10


    On a related point - How many pundits have Sky got...loads..?

    Charlie Nicohlas prob me fav.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    Fulham 0 - 3 Man Utd -> No Change
    Newcastle 1 - 5 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 2 Man Cty -> No Change
    Spurs 1 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevez goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Portsmouth -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Reading 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 6 - 0 Newcastle -> No Change
    Aston Villa 0 - 2 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Birmingham -> - 1 Tevez goal (-2 Points)
    West Ham 2 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Sunderland 0 - 4 Man Utd - > No Change
    Man Utd 2 - 1 Everton -> - 2 Ronalodo goals (-3 Points)
    Liverpool 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Tevex goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Derby -> - 2 Tevez goals, 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Fulham -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Bolton 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 2- 0 Blackburn -> - 2 Ronaldo goals (-2 Points)
    Arsenal 2 - 2 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-1 Point)
    Man Utd 4 - 1 Boro -> No Change
    Villa 1 - 4 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 4 - 0 -> No Change
    Birmingham 0 - 1 Man Utd -> - 1 Ronaldo goal (-2 Points)
    Man Utd 2 - 0 Chelsea -> No Change
    Everton 0 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Sunderland -> No Change
    Man Utd 1 - 0 Spurs -> No Change
    Man City 1 - 0 Man Utd -> No Change
    Pompy 1 - 1 Man Utd -> No Change
    Man Utd 0 - 0 Reading


    United drop 19 points putting them in joint 8th without Tevez's or Ronaldo's goals.
    But you have forgotten to give the teams who now got points from Man U the points that you have taken from united and so I believe your computations are flawed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    But you have forgotten to give the teams who now got points from Man U the points that you have taken from united and so I believe your computations are flawed.

    damn you didnt think of that but it smacks of effort!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,097 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    But you have forgotten to give the teams who now got points from Man U the points that you have taken from united and so I believe your computations are flawed.

    The position doesn't matter. The point is, utd would have dropped more points than Liverpool if their two top scorers were out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    and the silence from the united fans is deafening...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    DING DING DING!!

    Gray and Rednapp are unbelievably bad analysts. I take the point that on a general level most pundits talk crap. But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way. How is it that Guim Ballique (sp :o - the Spanish soccer analyst on Sky) can be so competent at his job whereas the rest are generally under prepared and / or inarticulate?

    Was it not Dunphy? (he definately said the same thing about Torres & Gerrard)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Can't the pundits just be ignored? If I'm at home I might listen to them to have a laugh at the rubbish that they will no doubt come out with. If I'm in the pub I will take the opportunity to go to the bar/bathroom/smoking area.

    It's an unfortunate fact of life that the football broadcasters have to appeal to the most people which basically means the lowest common denominator. Most people who have the capability to construct a meaningful post on an Internet forum are above that and so can easily see that Eamonn Dunphy is in fact a very grumpy old man who's ramblings should not be taken seriously, Jamie Redknapp has nothing interesting to say and Ian Wright is just wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    I can't believe this is still running. I find football ridiculous in general but this discussion ranks highly even by those standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    DING DING DING!!

    Gray and Rednapp are unbelievably bad analysts. I take the point that on a general level most pundits talk crap. But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way. How is it that Guim Ballique (sp :o - the Spanish soccer analyst on Sky) can be so competent at his job whereas the rest are generally under prepared and / or inarticulate?


    Thats what i said most media people take the word of Andy Gray as gospel

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    and the silence from the united fans is deafening...

    I don't think Redknapp and Andy Gary are Man Utd fans or post here

    Or maybe you are dying for an argument that isn't there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭pd101


    If your going to take the top two scorers out of the each of the top 4 teams, then you have to do that with the rest of the league as well. Chances are they are still going to be in the top four places, so all this dropping down to 8th and 11th places means nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Unearthly wrote: »
    I don't think Redknapp and Andy Gary are Man Utd fans or post here

    Or maybe you are dying for an argument that isn't there?

    an argument is way too much effort for this time but it's a point i have made before that there are a number of fans (not just united fans) on this forum who talk the talk but when a some stats are shown against them they tend to disappear.

    so more an observation...

    btw i am pretty sure Andy Grey loves united, he never shuts up about them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    This thread has run it's useful course.

    It amazes me that something that has so little to do with any team in particular can descend so quickly into a my team your team thing.


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