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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    As ive posted over and over again ONYD, i posted this article in order to show another side of the media hysteria surrounding Rangers fans.
    There was no attack on Celtic fans by me...rather praise for the PR abilities of Peter Lawell.

    Who said you attacked Celtic fans?

    You are reading what you want to read because you didn't get the reaction you wanted. You are refusing to take any responsibility for the appaling antics of sections of your support and produced a ludicrious article to back up some contrived media conspiracy to report the facts.

    It is a very high risk strategy comparing the behaviour of masses of Gers on tour to Celts, and it backfired on you here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    DSB wrote: »
    You were there then, monitoring every one of these 100,000 fans activities yes? If not, please don't pass things off that aren't facts off as such.

    Zero arrests, a commendation from the Mayor of Seville and an award from UEFA is good enough for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Zero arrests, a commendation from the Mayor of Seville and an award from UEFA is good enough for me.

    What was the award from UEFA? Was it for that trip alone or in general?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    was there really ZERO arrests?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3042885.stm

    Someone needs to stop spouting ****.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    DSB wrote: »
    What was the award from UEFA? Was it for that trip alone or in general?
    The Celtic fans recieved a specially commisioned "Fans of the year" award for their exploits in the Uefa cup that year.
    The cynic in me suggests that they conveniantly forgot about fake ticket scandals in Liverpool and Blackburn, along with trouble in the airport involving spanish police in the airport after the Vigo game, and a plane having to be landed in wales to throw Celtic fans off after the same game.

    They did however do themselves proud in Seville, no matter how many of the ACTUALLY turned up. (around 80,000)
    Mr Alan wrote: »
    was there really ZERO arrests?

    I think there was one...a celtic fan who stabbed his mate with a fork or something stupid like that.
    I wont slag Celtic fans for their exploits in Seville, i will however wish they would give it up...it was 5 years ago.


    ONYD, If I havnt been attacking Celtic fans, how come just about every post you have made has ben ultra defensive of celtic fans and extremely vicious towards gers fans?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    The Celtic fans recieved a specially commisioned "Fans of the year" award for their exploits in the Uefa cup that year.
    The cynic in me suggests that they conveniantly forgot about fake ticket scandals in Liverpool and Blackburn, along with trouble in the airport involving spanish police in the airport after the Vigo game, and a plane having to be landed in wales to throw Celtic fans off after the same game.

    Scandals? Buying tickets from touts that turned out to be fake?

    The cops waded in in Vigo airport when they saw Basque flags.

    A Celtic fan had a smoke on a plane and the alaram caused the plane to be diverted. Silly boy, but hardly Nazi salutes in Israel, is it?

    The difference is we arent denying these incidents happened or blaming others.
    Eirebear wrote: »
    They did however do themselves proud in Seville, no matter how many of the ACTUALLY turned up. (around 80,000)

    I think there was one...a celtic fan who stabbed his mate with a fork or something stupid like that.
    I wont slag Celtic fans for their exploits in Seville, i will however wish they would give it up...it was 5 years ago.

    If you are going to claim that Barcelona was 'incapable' of coping with 20,000 Rangers fans, we are going to point out that Seville, a smaller city with no history of major events like the Olympics or Expo's was more than capable of hosting 100k fans without any complaints.

    Eirebear wrote: »
    ONYD, If I havnt been attacking Celtic fans, how come just about every post you have made has ben ultra defensive of celtic fans and extremely vicious towards gers fans?

    If you think I am being vicious you need to seriously get a life. Again, no-one has said you are 'attacking' Celtic fans, yet you are still defending yourself against the charge. And you are reading 'ultra- defensive' comments that must be hidden to the rest of us, or just decided that that is what you wanted to 'prove' here regardless of what was actually said.

    I might suggest you let this one go, as whatever point you wanted to make about the media has been lost in your infantile efforts to defend the indefensible amongst your support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Scandals? Buying tickets from touts that turned out to be fake?

    The cops waded in in Vigo airport when they saw Basque flags.

    A Celtic fan had a smoke on a plane and the alaram caused the plane to be diverted. Silly boy, but hardly Nazi salutes in Israel, is it?

    The difference is we arent denying these incidents happened or blaming others. .

    Buying tickets KNOWN to be fake, as said before a worked in a celtic supporters pub that year and was shown these tickets long before anyone went anywhere near blackburn and liverpool.

    Of course, THIS time it was the policemans fault...one rule for you, one rule for us eh?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2574771.stm
    Just the facts eh?

    If you are going to claim that Barcelona was 'incapable' of coping with 20,000 Rangers fans, we are going to point out that Seville, a smaller city with no history of major events like the Olympics or Expo's was more than capable of hosting 100k fans without any complaints. .

    I never said Barcalona was "Incapable" i suggested however that they never tried If you know that 20,000 people are coming to your city and that they will be congregating in one place, you put facilities in place, Portaloos etc etc.
    You cant honestly compare this to something like a uefa cup final or the olympics where you have to put these facilities in place before being allowed to hold the event, its called organisation and planning.
    If you think I am being vicious you need to seriously get a life. Again, no-one has said you are 'attacking' Celtic fans, yet you are still defending yourself against the charge. And you are reading 'ultra- defensive' comments that must be hidden to the rest of us, or just decided that that is what you wanted to 'prove' here regardless of what was actually said.

    I might suggest you let this one go, as whatever point you wanted to make about the media has been lost in your infantile efforts to defend the indefensible amongst your support.


    I need to get a life? Infantile? Nice.

    Seems to me that you took offence to a Rangers supporter having anysort of point of view at all, and have still not substantiated your story of Rangers fans having a crap in a holy water font....but im sure big gerry down the pub assures you its true eh?

    I have not once tried to say that we are all angels amongst the Rangers support....just trying to let people know that we are not all big horrible bastards either...maybe you should check that idea out eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Buying tickets KNOWN to be fake, as said before a worked in a celtic supporters pub that year and was shown these tickets long before anyone went anywhere near blackburn and liverpool.

    Of course, THIS time it was the policemans fault...one rule for you, one rule for us eh?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2574771.stm
    Just the facts eh?

    The difference is I'm not blaming the airline for the incident. The fans should not have behaved like they did and reality is you cant mess about on airplanes at the moment, so no sympathy. no-one has ever said otherwise. Ditto buying fake tickets.

    The Spanish Cops did over-react in Vigo, but it was naive to think that there would be no reaction to that flag.

    Now compare the above to your defence of nazi salutes in Tel Aviv.....

    Eirebear wrote: »
    I never said Barcalona was "Incapable" i suggested however that they never tried If you know that 20,000 people are coming to your city and that they will be congregating in one place, you put facilities in place, Portaloos etc etc.
    You cant honestly compare this to something like a uefa cup final or the olympics where you have to put these facilities in place before being allowed to hold the event, its called organisation and planning.

    So its OK to slash on a monument to their Civil War dead and take dumps in the street because there were no portaloos? Nice. Does this apply all the time, or just when overseas?

    Its a novel approach, I'll give you that. Infantile, but novel.

    Eirebear wrote: »
    I need to get a life? Infantile? Nice.

    Seems to me that you took offence to a Rangers supporter having anysort of point of view at all, and have still not substantiated your story of Rangers fans having a crap in a holy water font....but im sure big gerry down the pub assures you its true eh?

    I have not once tried to say that we are all angels amongst the Rangers support....just trying to let people know that we are not all big horrible bastards either...maybe you should check that idea out eh?

    I have no objection to Rangers fans having a point of view. Unfortunatly the 'point of view' was a poor article riddled with contradictions. But I do object to you renaming Nazi salutes and claiming them to be harmless and blaming a media conspiracy to invent stories that your fans misbehaved and when thats blown out of the water, blame the people of Barcelona itself.

    I used to talk like you to my father when I was 15. If you cant tell why your club are pariahs in Europe and Celtic arent, start with your defensive attitude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    No you deny them or blame anyon eelse...except the police who overreacted and the airplane stewards who overreacted to someone having a cigarette and of course the touts who sold fake tickets.

    You are the only person here that has mentioned Nazi Salutes, stangely enough it is something you have used every time to deflect the argument every time.

    I have NEVER defended the salutes on this board in any way... i have however tried to explain to people what the morons who do them THINK they are doing....there is a major difference there.

    You seem to revel in the idea that Rangers fans are to a person BNP Voting, Skinhead Nazis with no respect for anyone or anything outwith their own.

    Are you honestly trying to say that if 20,000 people where expected to turn up in Glasgow, Dublin, even bigger cities like London or Barcalona, that without some sort of planning or organisation, that there wouldnt be a hell of a mess afterwards?
    Im sure you have attended many major events in your time, concerts football trips etc....have you ever been to one without these facilities in place?
    Even when you do have these facilities...you always get the people who dont make use of them, and go and piss behind a tree somehwere.

    Ive read all the reports of Rangers fans peeing in the street, there is nothing else you can tell me about it that will convince me anything other than drunk people couldnt stand in a 20 minute queue in order to have a piss.
    Take a walk through any city centre tonight, you will see the exact same thing happening, thats not to excuse it, only to put it into perspective...something you seem to lack as soon as Rangers are mentioned.

    And now you have twice dismissed my point of views as being infantile, infact comparing me to a 15 year old....Thanks for that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    EB,

    There is a fundamental difference between nipping behind a tree and slashing on a monument in the centre of a square. You are defending the indefensible and then claiming opression when people call you on it. Your point of view, that its the fault of the town that their monuments and churches were abused like this, is infantile.

    Even the Gah monsters can congregate in numbers around Dublin during the summer and use toilet facilities properly. And they are barely civilised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I'm learning a lot about Rangers fans from this thread. Fascinating stuff. If only they had less potty mouths and more potty training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    EB,

    There is a fundamental difference between nipping behind a tree and slashing on a monument in the centre of a square. You are defending the indefensible and then claiming opression when people call you on it. Your point of view, that its the fault of the town that their monuments and churches were abused like this, is infantile.

    Even the Gah monsters can congregate in numbers around Dublin during the summer and use toilet facilities properly. And they are barely civilised.

    ONYD, we can debate where and when Rangers fans peed all day, i dont know the city of barcalona, but id suggest when being fenced in by riot police with their fingers twitching on their truncheons, might not be the best time to go running around looking for a tree.
    If it was down to me, i wouldnt go pissing on a monument either, but as ive stated before walk through any city tonight and youll find people coming out of pubs and pissing in the street, im not saying this to use it as an excuse, just trying to put it once more into perspective.

    I will however take offence when you splurt out completely unprovable stories that youve either picked up in a pub, or on a celtic forum somewhere about Rangers fans defecating in cathedrals and holy water fonts.

    I will also take offence when ypou suggest, as you did in an earlier thread that rangers fans in general cannot be compared with the rest of humanity.
    This isn't comparing Rangers fans to Celtic fans in terms of behaviour and their justification for it after the fact, its comparing them to the rest of humanity.
    I'm learning a lot about Rangers fans from this thread. Fascinating stuff. If only they had less potty mouths and more potty training.

    Pray tell Mr Nice Guy what have you learned of us? Your lame attempt at getting me riled does not work...as i see know "potty mouth" happening in this thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Pray tell Mr Nice Guy what have you learned of us? Your lame attempt at getting me riled does not work...as i see know "potty mouth" happening in this thread?

    Not trying to rile you up but I think your attempt to defend blatant thuggish behaviour is pretty desperate altogether.
    EireBear wrote:
    Ive read all the reports of Rangers fans peeing in the street, there is nothing else you can tell me about it that will convince me anything other than drunk people couldnt stand in a 20 minute queue in order to have a piss.

    A toddler knows how to hold in the urge to go the toilet yet you're actually trying to suggest that grown men can't do that?
    EireBear wrote:
    as ive stated before walk through any city tonight and youll find people coming out of pubs and pissing in the street

    LOL. What city are you living in? Flushing Meadows? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Not trying to rile you up but I think your attempt to defend blatant thuggish behaviour is pretty desperate altogether.
    Not entirely defending, more trying to give a little more idea as to the wheres and whys....rather than resorting to scandalous reports about ****ting in a cathedral.
    I Dont think its desperate in any way, i had friends over their and i dont like them being labelled as thugs.




    LOL. What city are you living in? Flushing Meadows? :D
    Hilarious! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    There is definitely a horrible anti-Rangers bias in this thread. Obviously, their fans are no angels, some are far from it, but pretty much every club in the world (except maybe UCD) has this element so no1 should play the angel like. Eirebear didn't seem to be trying to defend Rangers fans that had done bad things at all, more trying to portray that they're no worse than the fans of many clubs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    DSB wrote: »
    There is definitely a horrible anti-Rangers bias in this thread. Obviously, their fans are no angels, some are far from it, but pretty much every club in the world (except maybe UCD) has this element so no1 should play the angel like. Eirebear didn't seem to be trying to defend Rangers fans that had done bad things at all, more trying to portray that they're no worse than the fans of many clubs.

    The thread has an anti-Rangers bias because its about an article attempting to defend their behaviour. If it was Bohs fans the thread may be anti-bozo etc. Its not the behaviour per say I object to, its the failure of Rangers as a group to accept legitimate media criticism of sections of their supports consistant bad behaviour ("it wuz chelsea fans") and the ludicrious attempts to defend hooliganism, drunken loutism as well as sectarian and racist behaviour.

    Go onto Follow Follow. Its never them, its always some form of Popish conspiracy to denegrate them, and by extention Britain. Its hilarious at one level, but very sinister at another, but I can challenge it here.

    DSB, the main Catalan daily ran an editorial in the aftermath of Rangers visit praising Celtic fans for having to put up with Rangers all the time they were that bad. Also, do many clubs fans make Nazi salutes in Israel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    The thread has an anti-Rangers bias because its about an article attempting to defend their behaviour. If it was Bohs fans the thread may be anti-bozo etc. Its not the behaviour per say I object to, its the failure of Rangers as a group to accept legitimate media criticism of sections of their supports consistant bad behaviour ("it wuz chelsea fans") and the ludicrious attempts to defend hooliganism, drunken loutism as well as sectarian and racist behaviour.

    Go onto Follow Follow. Its never them, its always some form of Popish conspiracy to denegrate them, and by extention Britain. Its hilarious at one level, but very sinister at another, but I can challenge it here.

    DSB, the main Catalan daily ran an editorial in the aftermath of Rangers visit praising Celtic fans for having to put up with Rangers all the time they were that bad. Also, do many clubs fans make Nazi salutes in Israel?


    Here we go again with the Nazi salutes....i think youll find that the coverage of this gesture came to the fore BEFORE the games in Israel leading to much discussion as to what this gesture meant to people and consequently the majorty of rangers supporters rounding on people who decided it was a good thing to do.
    How did this come to the fore before Rangers match in Israel...well all of a sudden people decided that they would email Israeli Newspapers, fansites, clubs and uefa themselves anonymously with pictures of a few rangers fans making this gesture. Anyone neutral can read what they want into what these caring citizens of the world were trying to achieve
    I have discussed this to death with you and other people on this board, and i do not care to go down that route again

    Your getting increasingly desperate if you want to start using the internet hard men of Follow Follow (which BTW is not a forum i use personally).
    But if you want to go down that route, maybe i should start quoting from the "Generic Hun Thread" on the Kerrydale Street forum?

    As for conspiracy theories...your havin a laugh right?

    Strachan this week: "There is a day of national celebration whenever anyone beats us, its not like that for any other team"
    Boruc this week "It is one rule for us, and another for every other team. I sometimes feel that people are truly out to get us"

    This will be lapped up by your fans and used in the next edition of the popular celtic fans book called "Maybe thats why were paranoid"

    Christ many of you believe that Rangers wear black and red socks to symbolise "being up to our knees in fenian blood"
    Never mind the fact that Rangers first strip was Black and Red hoops, they are the colours of Govan Borough, and of course Rangers were founded long before the glasgow gang known as the "Billy Boys" were even born!

    And thats before i start on Referees getting their windows smashed in, having to move house due to the abuse they were taking.
    Or Hugh Dallas' gashed head after being hit by a coin (one of MANY) which were aimed at him during a 3-0 defeat at parkhead.
    Fernando Ricksen being hit with a lighter and other objects at another game since then?

    If your gonna start about conspiracies.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    The thread has an anti-Rangers bias because its about an article attempting to defend their behaviour. If it was Bohs fans the thread may be anti-bozo etc. Its not the behaviour per say I object to, its the failure of Rangers as a group to accept legitimate media criticism of sections of their supports consistant bad behaviour ("it wuz chelsea fans") and the ludicrious attempts to defend hooliganism, drunken loutism as well as sectarian and racist behaviour.

    Go onto Follow Follow. Its never them, its always some form of Popish conspiracy to denegrate them, and by extention Britain. Its hilarious at one level, but very sinister at another, but I can challenge it here.

    DSB, the main Catalan daily ran an editorial in the aftermath of Rangers visit praising Celtic fans for having to put up with Rangers all the time they were that bad. Also, do many clubs fans make Nazi salutes in Israel?

    They probably don't and I think doing that is ridiculously scummy. But even a club I support Aston Villa had fans singing horrible chants about a player who had possibly ended his career the week previous. Are Villa fans much worse than the other clubs out there? No. Almost all clubs have a scumbag element, Celtic no less than the rest. From what I gathered from the article, it wasn't trying to play Rangers fans off as innocent or angels, just pointing out that Celtic's reputation as jolly Irishmen probably serves them well when on their travels. Personally I don't think Celtic fans are any better or worse than others. There are a ridiculous amount of troublemakers from Ireland walking around in Celtic jerseys.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    So it was really nice to see a balanced article for a change.

    Eirebear, I think that comment - among other things - is the reason for the fairly fierce reaction to your postings.

    That is most certainly not a balanced article. It suggest - among other things - that Celtic fans benefited from the visiting Rangers fans before them. That suggestion is frankly laughable considering the way Rangers fans behaved in Barcelona.

    As for riot police, I dunno, but I guess when they see large groups of fans waving union jacks they get nervous and want to prevent anything kicking off. Whether that's right or wrong is a different debate - but you can't really blame local police forces in European cities for assocating the combination of football fans and union jacks with trouble. England fans have done plenty of "good work" across Europe on your behalf on that score. Now I know lots of Rangers fans hate England (go figure), but waving union jacks, singing GSTQ and pissing everywhere, you have to admit that foreign police forces probably see you as one and the same with regard to England fans.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Does Rangers fans pissing in public really annoy people that much?!

    cause tbh, that seems to the main thing people are accusing them of in Barcelona, apart from stupid claims of ****ting in holy water or watever the ****, that werent backed up.

    I've pissed in public many times on away European trips, does that make me a thug?

    Fans of every club do that sort of thing. i'd wager anyone who says any different is lying, or hasnt been with a masse group of fans travelling across Europe.

    Celtic fans would wanna jump right off their ****ing high horse cause i'd bet my left nut that their fans were pissing on the streets in Seville, same way as they piss on the streets of templebar every weekend.

    The anti rangers bias in this thread is unbelievable. i dont particularly like Rangers, or Celtic for that matter, but 99% of the allegations being levelled at Rangers fans in this thread are non substantiated and therefore, not relevant.

    And tbh, i found the article interesting and good to get a different viewpoint, growing up in ireland, rangers are always painted as practically being lucifer incarnate, hearing that Celtic were afforded amenities and luxuries that Rangers werent, despite their larger numbers, is extremely relevant here, as is the hostility the Spanish police would have had towards the "union jack waving" rangers fans, who had yet to do anything wrong in Barcelona that Celtic,Liverpool,Utd,Chelsea etc etc etc wouldnt also do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Someone posted a Spanish news report the other day. It showed the Celtic fans as jolly folk who are there for a sing song and a party. It then showed a clip of a Rangers fan stumbling down the street after a few too many. Obviously both sets of fans have a completely different reputation with the foreign media.

    Speaking as a Celtic fan the vast majority of the fans want to keep the reputations like that. If a Celtic fan is acting like a scumbag, he'll usually be stopped by the rest of the Celtic fans. There was a clip on the Spanish news when Rangers were over there. Loads of fights going on in the background and the rest of the Rangers fans are just drinking like nothing is happening.

    There's never much trouble going away with Celtic fans or Irish fans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    This shows how differently both sides are viewed.

    http://i28.tinypic.com/653a7q.jpg
    PLEASE DONT COME BACK EVER AGAIN

    Mr fans of Glasgow Rangers: Don't come back to Barcelona. Not because your team is a rabble bunch - it is. Its not for that, no. In the Camp Nou, there was the weakest boring rivals, that only defend, run and hit and they shouldn't be in elite competitions. Their defenders are butchers, their midfield players have twisted feet and their forward players are big wardrobes.

    But above anything, it would be desirable that Rangers don't ever come back to Barcelona, because everytime they do they make a mess. 35 years ago, you (Rangers followers) wrecked the Camp Nou installations and this time it's been more than 48 hours of brawls, baiting, ruckus, street fighting and drunkeness across the city, which you have soiled at your pleasure.

    Stay and puke in your own house, piss on the corners of your living room, fight with your Celtic neighbours (they deserve a prize simply for being able to stand you) and get your dirt on the streets of Glasgow. Don't come back around these parts, because its not amusing. Don't play the Champions League, either. You're lacking for that, on a sporting and human level.

    There are noisy fans that, even drinking copious quantities of alcohol, ingratiate themselves to others and make friends. You don't, because you turn the places where you go into waste dumps. You are undesirables. As are the Barcelonistas that sell (or rent) tickets in an fraudulent manner. These people swindle all FC Barcelona. This behaviour annoys the other members of FCB, and generates big trouble. A real Barcelona fan doesn't tout his ticket. If he doesn't go to the match, he gives it to a family member or friend, or even uses the "Empty Seat" service.

    From here onwards its the responsibility of the club or UEFA to who they sell the tickets. The most desiarable thing would be that you (Rangers fans), in a moment of clarity, decided not to travel if you don't have tickets. As this is impossible, we have to chase the ones that sell them in an illegal manner. But the best option would be that we will never play Rangers again.


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    CELTIC FANS GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF CIVILITY/POLITENESS

    The presence of 10,000 Scottish people in Barcelona ends without any incident.
    The area of enjoyment arranged by the Town Council in Montjuïc didn't dissuade them from wandering and drinking through the city centre streets.

    Celtic Glasgow fans' green and white dyed Barcelona’s centre yesterday, especially Plaça de Catalunya and Les Rambles. Hours before the match, in the area Barcelona Town Council had set at the pavilion no. 7 in Montjuïc, there were little more than one thousand Scottish supporters. “Peaceful” is the best word to define the green-and-white fans' behaviour yesterday. The opposite image to that of their fellow citizens supporting Rangers when they visited Barcelona last November, whose bad behaviour was the main character of the day.

    Enrique Giné is the owner of Zurich bar, one of the most well known bars in the city centre, and he said that Catholics' behaviour was “correcte” (very good). Some people were fined for drinking in the streets but nobody was arrested.

    Yesterday Montjuïc gave 5,000 portions of paella (12€ per dish and only 3,000 were served), more than 1,200 litres of beer (4€ per glass) and organized a place for enjoyment with concerts, games and big screens to watch the match. Supporters think that the value for money that the Town Council had prepared for them was “very good” and some admitted that they didn’t expect “so much hospitality”.

    A half of the 10,000 Scots that moved to the Catalan capital didn't have tickets and the pavilion no.7 was the place where they enjoyed the Champions League match against FC Barcelona (Barça). The area around Camp Nou was the main point for Celtic supporters throughout the morning. Ticket prices from touts rose up to 200€ 8 hours before the match. The Mossos d’Esquadra (Catalan police) confiscated 80 of these tickets from Celtic supporters.

    There was a lot of beer consumed all day but, unlike Glasgow Rangers fans - whom Celtic supporters call hooligans - they respected the city, and the living-together rules remained all day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    I dont quite think you get the point here...in fact your probably backing up my original point that you could only benefit from the way Rangers were viewed after the Barca game.

    "Oh look here, well make a nice big area where you can bring your obviously non political bands such as Shebeen and Charlie and the Bhoys to sing loveley "celtic minded" songs and we shall give you paella and beer, while you tell us stories of how disgusting and horrible the Rangers fans are, those are the fans which we surrounded with police instead of showing ANY hospitality whatsoever"

    Go figure eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Eirebear wrote: »
    I dont quite think you get the point here...
    Point? If you read the 8 words I posted you'd have understood the point of the post. You clearly think everything I post has to be to promote Celtic and dis Rangers and therefore that's what you looked for in the post. When you couldn't find it you didn't understand why I posted it. True?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    EB I think this post sums up the full situation.

    1. Deluded beyond reason are those who follow the grey and green hoops.

    2. Blinkered green tinted specs of the hooped hordes.

    3. They get brain washed from birth to death.

    The report from 4-4-2 for once is a refreshing read that show's both sides of the story. As always though one side manage to brush it under the carpet, burn it from there memory....

    After all they are the greatest supporters in the world....

    All football teams have neds, thugs, etc BUT when it comes to Celtic they are only the good old jolly craicsters after all.....

    Anyway they don't need to worry about anymore trips abroad this year :D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Does Rangers fans pissing in public really annoy people that much?!

    I've pissed in public many times on away European trips, does that make me a thug?

    Fans of every club do that sort of thing. i'd wager anyone who says any different is lying, or hasnt been with a masse group of fans travelling across Europe.


    Theres a massive difference between pissing in public and pissing on national monuments...


    http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/galeriasv2/galerias/galeria_966/foto_15269.JPG

    Apologies if its been posted already, I havent read the most of the thread and Id rather stay out of the Rangers vs Celtic arguments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    Point? If you read the 8 words I posted you'd have understood the point of the post. You clearly think everything I post has to be to promote Celtic and dis Rangers and therefore that's what you looked for in the post. When you couldn't find it you didn't understand why I posted it. True?

    No Eirebhoy, again you have misunderstood me.

    I know exactly how Rangers fans were percieved by the Barcalona public, i will not argue that, but you posting the 2 stories did nothing other than confirm this (again).

    My point all the way through this thread (which is getting extremely tiring now! ;)) is that Celtic fans...no matter how they were percieved beforehand, were only ever going to benefit from that impression of Rangers supporters for 3 reasons.

    1. Peter Lawell is a fantastic PR man, he will turn anything he possibly can into a way of making things look good for celtic, unlike his opposite numbers at Ibrox.
    2. The city of Barcalona realised their mistake and set up plenty of facilities...showing some HOSPITALITY to the Celtic fans.
    3. Celtic fans also knew they could take advantage of this by as the quote says "telling us that the Rangers fans are hooligans".....a few of the posts in here have summed that up too.

    FRM: I may not be able to win, but having spent most of my life in a country where Rangers fans a reviled even though i am the first one most of them have met, i am used to going round in circles in these arguments!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    FRM wrote: »
    The report from 4-4-2 for once is a refreshing read that show's both sides of the story. As always though one side manage to brush it under the carpet, burn it from there memory...
    Who's brushing what under the carpet? Strange cliche to be using.
    Eirebear wrote: »
    I know exactly how Rangers fans were percieved by the Barcalona public, i will not argue that, but you posting the 2 stories did nothing other than confirm this (again).
    That's all I was doing. That was the point of my post which I quite clearly explained in all of 8 words. ;) Just because you may have already read similar articles doesn't mean everyone else has. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    rangers are always painted as practically being lucifer incarnate.

    If it looks like an orc and acts like an orc, then it is an orc and Mordor is in G52 :D


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