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Great wee article

  • 06-03-2008 02:47PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭


    After the mass hysteria of the Rangers fans going to Barcalona, from the media in britain, spain and even reaching this forum to a certain extent...(i still laugh when i remember the comment made about Rangers fans DRINKING in Dublin Airport...shocking!)
    Celtic done their best to turn it into a PR dream for them and their fans, even going as far as issuing their travelling support with bin bags in order to strengthen the "special relationship" they have with the Catalan team.

    I thought id post this article from 4-4-2 which puts it nicely in perspective.
    Bhoys fans benefit from Rangers' visit to Catalonia

    Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:43
    Every metro station in Barcelona carries several illuminated posters advertising Manchester. It’s part of an airline promotion and a fine-looking shot of the city makes it look more Lisbon than Lowry in an attempt to persuade Catalans to visit.

    Barca fans wouldn’t need any such inducement to go there if their team is paired with Manchester United in Friday’s Champions League quarter-final draw.

    Barcelona is just recovering from its invasion by Celtic supporters. Unlike the 21,000 Rangers travelling fans in Catalonia last November, the 12,000 who came to cheer on Celtic have received positive media coverage, despite there being little discernible difference in their behaviour.

    What changed is that Celtic fans benefited from Rangers visit. The Catalan authorities were not ready for the number of Rangers supporters who constituted the largest ever following in a European away game for a British club in a non-final match. Rangers fans were short changed by authorities happy to take their money, but unwilling to provide the infrastructure their presence required.

    Rangers fans were criticised for urinating in the square at Placa Catalunya. Celtic fans weren’t because scores of portable toilets had been installed.

    Unsurprisingly, the numerous Irish bars in Barcelona either closed or employed heavy security for the visit of Rangers. For Celtic fans they issued commemorative t-shirts and stuck up posters of Jimmy Johnstone. A special fan zone was created for the Celtic contingent outside the city centre; Rangers fans faced lines of nervous police.

    There were many ironic scenes, such as ‘dangerous’ protestant Rangers fans singing sectarian songs in those Irish bars which did stay open, while ‘friendly’ Celtic fans loudly eulogised the IRA in those same bars months later – not that the Catalans, who view noisy inebriation as weakness and not a virtue, were aware of the nuances of fan culture. Well, apart from those who unfurled a giant Irish tricolour to agitate the Rangers fans.

    The sheer size of the travelling support from both clubs was impressive and far, far in excess of what Barca took to either Celtic Park or Ibrox - Barca needed only one plane to Glasgow; Rangers fans arrived on 97 flights for the return game in Catalonia.

    Their range of songs was comprehensive and flags from both sets of visiting Glaswegian fans impressive. And given the sheer numbers of visiting fans, both games passed with few arrests and plenty of comic stories. Like the two Celtic fans negotiating with a Catalan tout for tickets. He cheekily asked for €200 a ticket and the alcohol fuelled pair thought about it and came back with their offer…€195.

    Not since Alan Partridge bid £324,000 for a house on the market for £325,000 – and whose main selling point was “a Buck Rogers toilet” - has a vendor been so willing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    interesting read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭gracehopper


    Celtic fans are nicer than than rangers fans. everyone knows that!!

    When was the last time you seen someone in a Celtic jersey causing a fight??

    never, because they're all good god fearing people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    There have been two stories in the papers over here about Celtic all week.

    One is about celtic officials managers and players all coming out and talking about the "conspiracy" against them from referees.

    The other is Celtic managers, officials and players coming out and talking about the amazingly special relationship they have with barcalona....its sickening at times.

    So it was really nice to see a balanced article for a change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Celtic fans are nicer than than rangers fans. everyone knows that!!

    When was the last time you seen someone in a Celtic jersey causing a fight??

    never, because they're all good god fearing people.

    lol....:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    EB, you can blame the media till the cows come home.

    The simple fact is Rangers fans cause trouble in Europe and Celtic's don't. Thats why Barca welcomed Celtic fans to their city for the third time in five years as friends who will have a party while Rangers fans uriniate on national monuments, defecate in cathederals, fight amongst themselves, pass dud money and racially abuse the locals. That is a 'discernible difference' in the behaviour and the locals reacted accordingly.

    Celtic fans have no history of causing problems and rarely clash with police. To claim Barcelona as a city is at fault for the Gers fans disgraceful behaviour is laughable - its a city that hosted the Olympics and numerous European finals as well as being a tourist centre, its 'infrastructure' is more than capable of holding 20,000 Rangers fans. I suppose it was Tel Aviv's fault that Rangers fans were making Nazi salutes too?

    100,000 Celtic fans went to Seville with no bother.

    This is not a conspiracy theory. Its a fact.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    EB, you can blame the media till the cows come home.

    The simple fact is Rangers fans cause trouble in Europe and Celtic's don't. Thats why Barca welcomed Celtic fans to their city for the third time in five years as friends who will have a party while Rangers fans uriniate on national monuments, defecate in cathederals, fight amongst themselves, pass dud money and racially abuse the locals. That is a 'discernible difference' in the behaviour and the locals reacted accordingly.

    Celtic fans have no history of causing problems and rarely clash with police. To claim Barcelona as a city is at fault for the Gers fans disgraceful behaviour is laughable - its a city that hosted the Olympics and numerous European finals as well as being a tourist centre, its 'infrastructure' is more than capable of holding 20,000 Rangers fans. I suppose it was Tel Aviv's fault that Rangers fans were making Nazi salutes too?

    100,000 Celtic fans went to Seville with no bother.

    This is not a conspiracy theory. Its a fact.
    ziggy wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yawn yawn yawn.

    Defecating in cathedrals now are we?
    Passing off dud money...hmmm i seem to remember all the fake tickets at Blackburn and Liverpool on the way to Seville, not to mention the trouble in Vigo airport and the plane that was forced to land in wales.
    The same old Celtic way Tell a lie often enough and it becomes fact.

    Im not saying our support are angels, but its quite obvious that Celtic DID benifit from the scrutiny that Rangers fans came under in Barcelona.
    Peter Lawell is a PR Genius when it comes to this kind of stuff.

    The simple fact of the matter is, facilities were provided for Celtic fans, WELL AWAY from the city centre which were not provided for the almost twice as many Rangers fans.
    Not to mention the media spotlight over there, which was a complete and utter joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Ahem, apologies for my tone in the post above, to be honest im not trying to turn this into a Rangers Celtic thing, i merely wanted to point out after the hysteria that appeared on this very board before during and after the barcelona game, all is not quite as it may seem to the more distant viewer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Yawn yawn yawn.

    Defecating in cathedrals now are we?
    Passing off dud money...hmmm i seem to remember all the fake tickets at Blackburn and Liverpool on the way to Seville, not to mention the trouble in Vigo airport and the plane that was forced to land in wales.
    The same old Celtic way Tell a lie often enough and it becomes fact.

    Im not saying our support are angels, but its quite obvious that Celtic DID benifit from the scrutiny that Rangers fans came under in Barcelona.
    Peter Lawell is a PR Genius when it comes to this kind of stuff.

    The simple fact of the matter is, facilities were provided for Celtic fans, WELL AWAY from the city centre which were not provided for the almost twice as many Rangers fans.
    Not to mention the media spotlight over there, which was a complete and utter joke.

    You put this up here to get a reaction from Celtic fans, so give the yawning a rest when they take up the challenge.

    When did any Celtic fan claim their support is uniformly well behaved? Held up to the Rangers fans antics, they are angels in comparison. There are no lies being told here, but for every incident involving Celtic fans there are 50 involving gers.

    The 'facilities' were in Placa De Catalunia, the square that Rangers fans thrashed. If you are going to rant, get the basic facts right. You are 'blaming' Peter Lawall and 'media scrutiny' because when two sets of fans from the same town were in the same city, one set duked it out with riot cops, one lot were swapping scarves with the locals. Thats not a media creation. The proof is in the local reaction. End of.

    It drives the bitter and paranoid Rangers fans scatty that the 'fenians' they look down on can go to the same town as them and self police themselves and get a warm welcome from the locals while 'de peeeople' are pariahs in Europe and are on their last UEFA warning about their song book.

    You cannot win this argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Drummerboy2


    OP just wondering where that article was published?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Yawn, Yawn, Yawn indeed. Another, "Your fans are scum and ours are angels!" thread. Boring!

    And why is it a "Great wee article"?
    Because you agree with it?

    I can see this going nowhere fast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Yawn, Yawn, Yawn indeed. Another, "Your fans are scum and ours are angels!" thread. Boring

    To be fair, thats not the case.

    Whats happening here is that Rangers fans are objecting to the media comparing their behaviour to Celtic's as its not fair, because the reason they had to drop turds in the holy water in the Cathederal in Barcelona and use snide €50 notes and fight amongst themselves was because the 'infrastructure' wasnt there for them.

    This isn't comparing Rangers fans to Celtic fans in terms of behaviour and their justification for it after the fact, its comparing them to the rest of humanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    You put this up here to get a reaction from Celtic fans, so give the yawning a rest when they take up the challenge.

    When did any Celtic fan claim their support is uniformly well behaved? Held up to the Rangers fans antics, they are angels in comparison. There are no lies being told here, but for every incident involving Celtic fans there are 50 involving gers.

    The 'facilities' were in Placa De Catalunia, the square that Rangers fans thrashed. If you are going to rant, get the basic facts right. You are 'blaming' Peter Lawall and 'media scrutiny' because when two sets of fans from the same town were in the same city, one set duked it out with riot cops, one lot were swapping scarves with the locals. Thats not a media creation. The proof is in the local reaction. End of.

    It drives the bitter and paranoid Rangers fans scatty that the 'fenians' they look down on can go to the same town as them and self police themselves and get a warm welcome from the locals while 'de peeeople' are pariahs in Europe and are on their last UEFA warning about their song book.

    You cannot win this argument.


    One set duked it out with riot cops? If this is the case why are reported arrest and fine rates for both sets of fans very similar...especially considering there were twice as many Rangers fans as there were Celtic?

    If the Rangers fans are so bitter and paranoid, then how come the only direct attacks on one set of fans are coming from you and you only? If you read the apology i typed underneath my rant i quite clearly state i wasnt trying to turn this into a were better than you think.

    Bazmo: you could do with reading that apology also before going off on one eh?

    Drummerboy: I got it from another forum, but as far as i know it was fourforuttwo magazine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    To be fair, thats not the case.

    Whats happening here is that Rangers fans are objecting to the media comparing their behaviour to Celtic's as its not fair, because the reason they had to drop turds in the holy water in the Cathederal in Barcelona and use snide €50 notes and fight amongst themselves was because the 'infrastructure' wasnt there for them.

    This isn't comparing Rangers fans to Celtic fans in terms of behaviour and their justification for it after the fact, its comparing them to the rest of humanity.

    Again you carry on with your attacks and insults towards Rangers supporters in general with completely unsubstantiated stories about **** and holy water and dodgy notes...fantastic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Bazmo: you could do with reading that apology also before going off on one eh?
    I did read it, and I stand by what I said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Again you carry on with your attacks and insults towards Rangers supporters in general with completely unsubstantiated stories about **** and holy water and dodgy notes...fantastic!

    Attacks? Grow up. I care not one jot what der hun gets up to on his travels, its when Celtic (invariably) get dragged into it, and in this case, almost blamed, my interest is aroused.

    YOU brought up Rangers fans behaviour. When someone else mentions it its 'attacks' and 'insults'. You cant have it both ways.

    They are not unstubstantiated reports. Google is your friend. There were arrests in Barca and Stuttgart amongst the gers support for passing off these notes.

    Get off your high horse. Your fans yet again disgraced their club away from home and you are blaming the town itself and the press for mentioning it.

    "This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish Football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist."
    Ian Archer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Attacks? Grow up. I care not one jot what der hun gets up to on his travels, its when Celtic (invariably) get dragged into it, and in this case, almost blamed, my interest is aroused.

    YOU brought up Rangers fans behaviour. When someone else mentions it its 'attacks' and 'insults'. You cant have it both ways.

    They are not unstubstantiated reports. Google is your friend. There were arrests in Barca and Stuttgart amongst the gers support for passing off these notes.

    Get off your high horse. Your fans yet again disgraced their club away from home and you are blaming the town itself and the press for mentioning it.

    "This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish Football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist."
    Ian Archer

    I never once blamed celtic for anything? I did however say that Peter Lawell was a PR Genius and he done well for Celtic out of this.
    My comments about the media reports being "sickening" where a reflection on this.

    Rangers as a club have been commended for the forward steps we have taken this year by UEFA, not only on the behaviour of fans but also for welcoming each and every clubs fans who have came here (including Werder Bremen today) with fanzones and tours of the stadium.

    If google is my friend, then how come i cant find one single substantiated story about rangers fans lining up to take a dump in the holy water font?

    And finally, if you dont "care a jot" about what Rangers fans do on their travels...how come you seem to "google" your hours away coming up with these stories?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Ahem, apologies for my tone in the post above, to be honest im not trying to turn this into a Rangers Celtic thing, i merely wanted to point out after the hysteria that appeared on this very board before during and after the barcelona game, all is not quite as it may seem to the more distant viewer.

    Eirebear, it sounds to me like you just can't handle the fact that Celtic fans in general behaved themselves while in Barcelona. You can talk about PR stunts etc. all you want, and a one-sided media, but a lot of the Celtic fans spoke about how the local people they encountered - not the media - were seriously annoyed about how some Rangers fans left their city and how they treated their monuments.

    There is an underlying attitude of "nobody likes us but we don't care" among Rangers fans, or roughly translated, "fcuk you". While there's idiots among the Celtic support as well, the general attitute of Celtic fans is a more positive one, and that's reflected in the behaviour of our fans. It's as simple as that IMO.

    10000, 20000 fans.... whatever. This is what it's all about:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/3189853.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Paul, I KNOW that our fans are percieved as the big bad bastards, thats why i was delighted to see such an article published.
    Come on you seen it here yourself when we played in Barcalona, the thread became an excuse to have a go at Rangers fans in general.

    As a club Rangers have worked wonders with our fans, stopping certain songs etc etc.

    Im not blaming Peter Lawell for making the most out of his opportunities...christ i wish david murray had half of his PR sense...i was merely pointing out to people who do not see it day in day out, that if you scratch the surface of things youll find that there is a lot more to the story, and i do not see anything wrong with that.

    I have already apologised for my rant, and i stand by my reasons for posting this.

    As for being the greatest fans in the world...that was the year of Vigo, Blackburn and Liverpool, i worked in a celtic pub at the time so knew a hell of a lot of people travelling to and from these games, dont try telling me it was all love and happiness.

    BTW: Celtic fans came back from barcalona with horror stories about rangers fans.....now there is a surprise eh?! :rolleyes::p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    Infrastructure ?

    It held the olympic games not too long ago ffs.

    100k Celtic fans went to Seville virtually incident free.21k Rangers fans go to Barcelona and go looking for Irish bars ? According to yore quote that is anyway.Why of all the pubs to go to in Barca, go to Irish bars ? Please indulge.Rule Britannia cráp songs probably eh ?

    :rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    thats why i was delighted to see such an article published.

    Article? :D That piece is not an "article". If the little gag about the drunk Celtic fans buying the tickets doesn't give away the source of the piece, these gems do:

    "despite there being little discernible difference in their behaviour" - oh yeah? :rolleyes:

    "What changed is that Celtic fans benefited from Rangers visit" - :D:D:D Quite the contrary. This is the point I was making, a lot of the fans were met with suspicion and reluctance because of the way Rangers fans behaved in Barcelona. To a lot of the locals, Celtic were just another Scottish club with thousands of similar fans invading the city again. A lot of the fans found themselves having to explain the differences between the fans and how they conduct themselves in general.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Rangers as a club have been commended for the forward steps we have taken this year by UEFA, not only on the behaviour of fans but also for welcoming each and every clubs fans who have came here (including Werder Bremen today) with fanzones and tours of the stadium.


    Doesnt the fact that they had to be pushed by UEFA to take the mentioned foreward steps mean anything? :confused:

    Dont get me wrong, Ive been to Glasgow and can honestly say the gers people were generally just as sound as the Celtic crowd (upon hearing the accent the "which team" question usually flies up). The only hassle we had was from some oul kunt who pretended she didnt know where we were looking for and some drunk fcuks outside our hotel who asked us if we had brought the semtex with us :rolleyes: But this whole thread reminds me of English press coverage of recent "trouble free" tournaments. And jesus, quit being sore about the tricolours at the Barca match. It was gas, face it. Friendly rivalry. Maybe if you all quit with the opinions/agenda in this thread the rest of Europe would forget you have a chip in the shoulder about the republic, and then wouldnt bother scouring their city looking for an Irish flag.

    WC 2006: "Trouble free". Only 500 odd England fans arrested.

    Euro 2004: a few riots. Termed trouble free on previous records

    WC 2002: Trouble free primarily because the skangers couldnt afford to make the trip en masse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Article? :D That piece is not an "article". If the little gag about the drunk Celtic fans buying the tickets doesn't give away the source of the piece, these gems do:

    "despite there being little discernible difference in their behaviour" - oh yeah? :rolleyes:

    "What changed is that Celtic fans benefited from Rangers visit" - :D:D:D Quite the contrary. This is the point I was making, a lot of the fans were met with suspicion and reluctance because of the way Rangers fans behaved in Barcelona. To a lot of the locals, Celtic were just another Scottish club with thousands of similar fans invading the city again. A lot of the fans found themselves having to explain the differences between the fans and how they conduct themselves in general.

    Oh yeah, i think the fact that the reported arrest and fines quota ( i odnt have official figures before you get pedantic) are very similar, considering the facilities available to celtic fans, the lack of riot police watching every move that the TV cameras werent picking up...are very similar may tell you that.

    Shane, of course we were pushed to the limits by uefa, thats why i think the fact that we have been commended for our behaviour this season speaks volumes.
    In fact, given that our more recent troubles in the last few years have all came when visiting spain may show you something also....just ask any of the fans of english teams who have been there in the recent past....(or even the celtic fans who were in the airport after the celta vigo game...)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Rangers fans and Celtic fans are like chalk and cheese mate, this difference becomes very apparent when the fans visit away venues in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Rangers fans and Celtic fans are like chalk and cheese mate, this difference becomes very apparent when the fans visit away venues in Europe.

    We leave a mark and you lot smell funny?:p:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    100,000 Celtic fans went to Seville with no bother.

    This is not a conspiracy theory. Its a fact.

    You were there then, monitoring every one of these 100,000 fans activities yes? If not, please don't pass things off that aren't facts off as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Rangers fans were criticised for urinating in the square at Placa Catalunya. Celtic fans weren’t because scores of portable toilets had been installed.

    Oh! So that's it! There I was thinking urinating in a square was a sign of being a disgusting yob, but in actual fact the Rangers fans who did it were simply highlighting the inadequate toilet facilities in the region!

    Bless those gentlemen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    Sorry but I held back on this one but had to come forward.

    I was one of the 25k in Barcelona with Rangers. The facts are as follows -

    1. Barcelona was not prepared for such a turn out even though they had been warned that so many were coming over.

    2. There were NO facilities at all to cope with this. No portaloo's for example and all the pubs were bursting at the seams. I didn't see them turning us away because of our so called loutish behaviour.

    3. The square was the organised meeting point and was surrounded by police on all sides - not once was there any bother.

    4. Why did a minority of the Barcelona supporters have to unravel and Irish flag at half time - Where in Ireland is Barcelona?

    How many arrests were there when Rangers were in Barcelona?

    This utter bullsh*t about Celtic being the greatest supporters in the world is a myth that the likes of Liewell has carried on.

    What happened at Vigo, Blackburn, Liverpool ?

    Also has anyone noticed what the spanish police has done to most visiting British teams in the last two years - Spurs, Bolton, Aberdeen ????????

    And as for the poster who mentioned Ian Archer oh my pal you need to read up on what that jumped up drunk jackey background really is.

    The bottom line to all of this is that it seems to be that the Celtic minded in here haven't even read an ENGLISH based report on the FACTS of Barcelona.

    Anyway hope you all enjoyed the Uefa Cup matches last night - has this turned back into a mickey mouse cup since Seville???

    P.S I never even lower myself to mention they seem to have handed out Seville calculators over here as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    My local is packed every weekend. I manage to avoid dropping the bags in the street though. Worst excuse ever. The fact that you just wont admit that there was some misbehaviour and are blaming everyone, the police, the media, the city of Barcelona, in fact everyone but the fans. It says a great deal about the collective immaturity of your fanbase.

    I'm a bit puzzled as to what Eirebear thought this excercise would achieve?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    As ive posted over and over again ONYD, i posted this article in order to show another side of the media hysteria surrounding Rangers fans.
    There was no attack on Celtic fans by me...rather praise for the PR abilities of Peter Lawell.

    But just you carry on mate, im sure you have a wealth of stories about where youve heard Rangers fans have urinated/defecated......possibly a nuns hat?


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