for the parents out there

aarymark

Just wondering what people think of their children playing poker.Its even on bebo now, views?

Primewise

I know you're referring to grown up children, but my brother has a 5 year old boy, and he's teaching him how to play Holdem already!! He's a very smart kid so I wonder how good he'll be when he's old enough to actually play for real... learn em young

His grandparents are not impressed lol

LuckyLloyd

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aarymark

lloyd my lads are 11 and 9 and they play SCHOOL games, i kid u not

El Stuntman

it depends

are we talking about kids who win or lose?

El Stuntman

aarymark wrote: »

lloyd my lads are 11 and 9 and they play SCHOOL games, i kid u not

hmmmm

do you play yourself? I'm guessing not. Poker is good for children's development in many ways - it teaches discipline, you need to understand basic probability, it forces you to apply logical thought processes. All good things. Obviously there are many bad potential outcomes as well - your kids may become addicted to poker and/or other forms of gambling, they could/should be spending their time doing more normal 10 y/o stuff etc.

I would probably take a fairly lenient view of it and allow them to play (let's face it, they're going to play anyway even if you tell them they can't) - they'll probably get bored with it soon enough and move onto something worse!

I'm a parent too myself btw so I think I can understand where you're coming from.

jbravado

El Stuntman wrote: »

are we talking about kids who win or lose?

lol.

I remember when I was a whiper conkers were the business.

Primewise

the good ol days. there was no need for conkers anonymous or anything like that

strewelpeter

I have tried and failed to get my children playing so that they can pay their own way through college by playing poker the way so many of you young people are.

aarymark

I have tried and failed to get my children playing so that they can pay their own way through college by playing poker the way so many of you young people are.

maybe i should get them coaching so, hector are u reading this or may be danny be better

ollyk1

My Dad was not a man for dealing directly with my academic education very much (he did pay all the bills and provided lots of background support) but the one thing I remember as a very young fella was the occasional spelling test he would give me on a Friday after I'd come home at the end of the week having done well on the weeks school test or whatever.

He'd ask me to spell 20 words and if I got more then 14 right I got 10p more then 17 right 20p and 19 or more right 50p. The hard part was he could ask me to spell words from any part of the spelling book. Man I have never been so motivated - I had the entire book secretly learned off by the end of September!

If I had a kid and I was anxious to teach the child about investing, about patience and about optimising opportunities in life in general I'd teach them to play poker. If I wanted them to be a financial moron like approximately 90% of the people (and especially the young people) I meet then I guess I'd ban them from playing or taking personal responsibility for their own monies.


Btw just in case you think that little story from my youth had nothing to do with risk, as in I was on a freeroll, my father would often get frustrated that I'd win the 50p and ask me to go double or quits. I always went double or quits!

tacker

When my daughter is old enough i would teach her,but only if she asked.

aarymark

tacker wrote: »

When my daughter is old enough i would teach her,but only if she asked.

can she learn before saturday ,let russh stay home

petethebrick

My dad paid his way through college playing poker back in the day. It was all 5 card draw and seven stud then mind.

Glowingmind

My grandmother taught me how to play 5 card draw when i was 5, and i was playing for pocket money for quite a bit. I don't think it did anything particularly bad to me, as there's a good chance i'd have gotten into poker as a result of 'late night poker' anyways (it just served to reignite my love for the game).

I think any damage very much down to a person's personality, even at that young an age. Both of my dad's parents played at higher stakes than i've ever even gone close to. My grandad was a losing player (family legend says he lost the equivalent of about 3 houses) while my grandmother was a winning player. Neither of my parents gamble beyond a weekly lotto ticket, despite my dad growing of in a family of complete degens, but neither of them seem particualrly concerned with my gambling.

I think if you're going to teach a kid to play poker, then they should be taught it as just another game. For me, the stakes don't matter much as long as i can afford to play and think i have an edge because i just love playing poker due to how the game was taught to me.

Macspower

most people don't believe me when I tell them my son will be 20 this month!!!

He's A FISH btw and has no interest in improving.... has one of my chip sets and plays with his friends while drinking i think for a few euro.... claims to win.....

TrueDub

Glowingmind wrote: »

I think if you're going to teach a kid to play poker, then they should be taught it as just another game.

I agree 100%. I was taught to play by my grandmother for matches when I was about 7, and from about 10 onwards would play with all my mother's relvatives in enormous games of 5 card draw, for pennies & tuppences. Winning or losing wasn't so important as playing properly - and that included the etiquette of the game as well as the rules & strategy.

phantom_lord

jebus, you're lying macs!

my dad staked me to get started. \o/

hugsr4free

I don't think its a good idea its teaching them that gambling is ok? I have read stories were people have committed suicide over gambling and running up huge deaths. Do we really want to teach our children to gamble and pass out the wrong message??

El Stuntman

hugsr4free wrote: »

I don't think its a good idea its teaching them that gambling is ok? I have read stories were people have committed suicide over gambling and running up huge deaths. Do we really want to teach our children to gamble and pass out the wrong message??

fallacious argument; you can apply this to anything

far more people have committed suicide over failed love affairs

do we really want our children to fall in love and face these awful consequences?

(obviously El Stuntdaughter will never have to worry about this as any amorous young fellas will be run out of the gaff at the point of a pitchfork)

mickc

hugsr4free wrote: »

I don't think its a good idea its teaching them that gambling is ok? I have read stories were people have committed suicide over gambling and running up huge deaths. Do we really want to teach our children to gamble and pass out the wrong message??

dont let them become a doctor so

http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&id=8150

It was found that the suicide rate among women doctors is 130% higher than among women in general and 40% higher among male doctors than among men in general.

El Stuntman

hugsr4free wrote: »

people have committed suicide over gambling and running up huge deaths.

Spoonerism of the Year imo

classic

LuckyLloyd

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cooker3

Macspower wrote: »

most people don't believe me when I tell them my son will be 20 this month!!!

WTF

phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Surely the solution to these national problems is for people not to leave their house ever under any circumstances?

fyp

Macspower

phantom_lord wrote: »

jebus, you're lying macs!

1988 was an interesting year :rolleyes:

Laxie

I have 3 children (ages 11, 13 and 16) and have no problem sitting down with our chip set at home to play a few 'fun' games of poker, but would not encourage them to play for real money just yet. We don't even offer a small cash prize for 1st...just bragging rights.

We make a point of staying home from our regular live games now and then to show them that it's not smart to 'chase lost money.' If we've had a bad run of it over a couple of nights, it's time to pull back and chill at home until our minds are clear enough to go again. Bankroll management. Hopefully, they'll take note of that for future reference if they ever start to play for real money themselves.

All we can do as parents, is teach them right from wrong, to the best of our ability. Playing poker with them early on isn't horrible. In fact, it gives them an advantage if they choose to carry on with it later. Once they're older and doing their own thing, it's out of our hands and we can only hope they've grasped enough knowledge to survive the good with the bad.

hugsr4free

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I have read stories of teenagers dying while on holiday overseas. Surely the solution to this national problem is for people not to leave the country under any circumstances until they're 21?

Also, I have read of people dying in car accidents. As such, shouldn't we all abandon our cars in the driveway and walk / cycle going forward?

Get the point? Probably not.

I get the point people. If thats the case you mite as well teach kids drugs are ok

bantee

hugsr4free wrote: »

I get the point people. If thats the case you mite as well teach kids drugs are ok

Are you for real? There are guys on here saying that they are having friendly games of cards at home. They aren't givin them bags of yokes or a few lines before they take them down to the local casino to play roullette or cash tables!

I think most parents would control where their kids hang out what they are spending their disposible income on. I'm also pretty sure they would cut that income if they knew they were gambling it away.

LuckyLloyd

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connie147

hugsr4free wrote: »

I get the point people. If thats the case you mite as well teach kids drugs are ok

I dont think you do! One of the biggest problems facing young people out there are the pressures they are put under re exams etc etc. That doesnt mean we shouldnt encourage them to study. And your point re drugs is rediculous. Theres no good side to drugs!!

I have 3 children, all 18+ and all were taught how to play hold'em. Both my 2 girls and my son are all competent players. Its great that all the family have a common interest. We enjoy discussing the game (as well as many other things of course). And its highly and competitively enjoyable when we clash at the same table.

hugsr4free

connie147 wrote: »

I dont think you do! One of the biggest problems facing young people out there are the pressures they are put under re exams etc etc. That doesnt mean we shouldnt encourage them to study. And your point re drugs is rediculous. Theres no good side to drugs!!

I have 3 children, all 18+ and all were taught how to play hold'em. Both my 2 girls and my son are all competent players. Its great that all the family have a common interest. We enjoy discussing the game (as well as many other things of course). And its highly and competitively enjoyable when we clash at the same table.

Listen we are all free to have our own opinions, personally I do not think poker is a good game for kids. The drugs statement was sarcastic.

phantom_lord

i can't wait to take my kids on their first trip.

El Stuntman

hugsr4free wrote: »

Listen we are all free to have our own opinions, personally I do not think poker is a good game for kids. The drugs statement was sarcastic.

I think you've discovered that poker players are:

(a) good at logical, rational analysis
(b) can be quite sarcastic and borderline rude when faced with illogical, poorly-expressed arguments. They are not touchy-feely types and you need a tough hide to sit down with them, either across the poker table or the debating chamber.

I like to think we've all learned something here today. Now I'm off to lobby Mary Hanafin to include NLHE on the primary school syllabus

sikes

lol@hugsr4free, IMO

bops

i play HU for poketmoney with my 2 - it's a win/win situation: i get ez monies and they have excellent teeth

El Stuntman

sikes wrote: »

lol@hugsr4free, IMO

be nice sikes, you too can be a better man

(CH3)2CHOH

My kids are 5, 10 and 12.

We often sit down for a friendly game of poker after Sunday lunch. Winner dosen't have to clean up.

As far as I can see it helps with their math abilities and that can be no bad thing.

The 10 year old will occasionally play on his DS, WSOP something or other but he reckons it's too easy. I might start letting him use my PPP account:p;)

phantom_lord

someone should link that article sklansky wrote on why poker is good for young people to play.

58o

I wouldnt be using anything Sklansky wrote to back up my arguements TBH, one weird dude.

phantom_lord

found it:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/current/sklansyschoonmaker0907.html

POKERKING

phantom_lord wrote: »

found it:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/current/sklansyschoonmaker0907.html

its not there now! this is an interesting thread, i was taught the basics of 5 card when i was young and when i started playing holdem at 18 it cam flooding back to me, didnt do me any harm imo!

mdwexford

bops wrote: »

i play HU for poketmoney with my 2 - it's a win/win situation: i get ez monies and they have excellent teeth

nice

ollyk1

hotspur

All things considered I think it's probably not a great idea to teach kids to play poker, but I wouldn't be inclined to stop them unless they are playing for stakes I would consider significant for them

Look, an 11 year old kid is not going to learn the aspects of poker that many of us have, they are innately incapable of the logical thought processes we can engage in. If you ever watch kids playing it's pretty much like the simpletons in a pub game or in the recent IPC that's being shown.

As for the gambling aspect, I think it will be just a game for 99% of them, not primarily gambling. But for those laughing at the poster worried about kids gambling - if I had a 12 year old kid who had just bet on a horse or something and I found out it would be the last time they would make a bet for some years! Trust me gambling when young is a bad idea. You may not think it but adolescent problem gambling is many times worse than adult problem gambling. And almost every adult problem gambler started when quite young. A big win when quite young has a bigger effect.

Mind you I'm not sure morons should be taught to play either

kincsem

El Stuntman wrote: »

Now I'm off to lobby Mary Hanafin to include NLHE on the primary school syllabus

She goes to 12 o'clock mass in St John the Baptist church,Blackrock, on Sundays. If you want I'll ask her. :rolleyes:
Stalking is one of my skills.

pok3rplaya

I plan on having tons of kids and get them grinding 1/2 24 hours a day so I can retire to the bahamas and check out sexy young things in bikinis all day long.

Gillybean72

I agree that it may help with mathematical skills, teaching them observation skills and other small things they wont pick up playing TAG outside (the game.. not the type of play )

But in saying that, I really dont like the idea of my 7 year old taking a deck of cards in on toy day on a friday, getting the others round the table and hearing the cry "shuffle up and deal..."

I have a chipset at home and the kids have always shown an interest in it and no doubt will let them have a wee play. If it keeps the amused in bad weather, then thats fine by me.

Requiem4adream

hugsr4free wrote: »

Listen we are all free to have our own opinions, personally I do not think poker is a good game for kids. The drugs statement was sarcastic.

+1. I'm with ya.

But you're fighting a losing battle in here, best to bow out gracefully. Leave me to fight on for ya, i'll take the flak! Most players on this forum are supportive of the game of poker and defend it (and their right to play it) to the hilt.

Bottom line though, there are age limits in place in life for a reason, whether you agree with them or not -

Drink alcohol - 18
Drive - 17
smoke - 18
vote - 18
get married - 16 with consent
sex - 16/17

To play poker in a casino in Ireland you must be 18 years old, 21 in certain clubs.

Parents shouldnt really be actively encouraging children to do any of the above.

There are a number of good card games that would be better suited to children, like Snap etc that have no correlation to gambling. Bebo are just lamely trying to cash in so to speak on the popularity of poker.

AdMMM

While theoretically it might seem like a good idea to teach your children how to play poker, the striking reality is that at such impressionable ages, they may think that Poker is the be all and end all when it comes to careers. I know myself that as a young teenager the possibility of being able to earn money through online games was almost too great to resist and it almost stunted my education.

I was far too naive back then to realise how much I was potentially limiting my future through playing video games and I fear that it would be same with others regards poker. People at an impressionable age won't pay heed to the risks of poker and will only focus in on the rewards.

Daithio

bops wrote: »

i play HU for poketmoney with my 2 - it's a win/win situation: i get ez monies and they have excellent teeth

Quality Bops.