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Utd,Pool,Arse, Chel. CL expectations poll

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Mr Alan, why are you so sure that Benitez' record in Europe overwrites Fergies record against Benitez?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    [moderator hat off] Look, Mr. Alan, honestly, as much as you love Liverpool, your mindless propaganda spouting isn't actually discussion.

    Every post I see from you reads : [cartman]"Waaaaaaaah but Liverpool are greeeaaaat[/cartman] and doesn't actually constitute discussion in any credible or intelligent sense of the word.

    The fact of the matter is, Liverpool are probably 5th favourites of the teams left. As good as they have been in the CL in recent years, the fact remains that they are a far inferior team to United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Barca. The records this season show that.

    They *may* raise their game against United but although they've done it against Chelsea in recent CL years, they were very uninspiring and Mourhino's tactics helped them.

    So yeah, supprot your team, talk up their chances, but for god sake talk at least a bit of sense and facilitate some discussion.

    [moderator hat on]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Archimedes wrote: »
    Mr Alan, why are you so sure that Benitez' record in Europe overwrites Fergies record against Benitez?

    With the exception of the OT game last season, i have seen nothing from Utd in their games against us to be afraid of in the last couple of seasons.

    If i take my fan hat off for a minute, i will say Utd are a far superior team over the course of a season, no denying that.

    Over two games in Europe though? they dont scare me anymore than Barca did last year when we beat em, or than Chelsea did in 2005, or than Juventus did in 2005.

    they may well win and of course we would be the underdogs, but those who don't respect Rafa and his achievements in Europe and the way he gets us playing in Europe, do so at their own peril ;)
    [moderator hat off] Look, Mr. Alan, honestly, as much as you love Liverpool, your mindless propaganda spouting isn't actually discussion.

    Every post I see from you reads : [cartman]"Waaaaaaaah but Liverpool are greeeaaaat[/cartman] and doesn't actually constitute discussion in any credible or intelligent sense of the word.

    The fact of the matter is, Liverpool are probably 5th favourites of the teams left. As good as they have been in the CL in recent years, the fact remains that they are a far inferior team to United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Barca. The records this season show that.

    They *may* raise their game against United but although they've done it against Chelsea in recent CL years, they were very uninspiring and Mourhino's tactics helped them.

    So yeah, supprot your team, talk up their chances, but for god sake talk at least a bit of sense and facilitate some discussion.

    [moderator hat on]

    PSI-keep that mod hat on! read my points above

    And Tusky, I agree, Inter aint nearly out of it yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ditpoker


    INTER MILAN!
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    i think i've made my point


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    As said before, Man U v Liverpool. At any stage (I was half wanting them to win the other night just to see the grudge match)

    Man U take lead from a Ronaldo dive/penalty.

    93rd minute equaliser by Torres.

    Man U comprehensively beaten on penos, with 3 saves from Reina. :)

    Either that or a horrendous 4-0 thrashing in Old Trafford (Ive been hitting the LSD heavy).


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  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    Do you actually have any idea how bad Man Utd's european cup record is?? They have won it twice....Just like notts forest

    Yes, a truly terrible record :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Two english teams playing in Europe is still not the same as and Premier League game as it will be a European ref so they cant go hell for leather like they do in the league.

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Tusky wrote: »
    Liverpool fans: stop talking as if we are through! Inter have one of the best squads in Europe. If we can beat them 2-0 at home they can do the same to us.

    That is true but Inter are also with out their 2 best defenders and teams from Italy dont like chasing games.

    I can see it going Liverpool sitting back letting Inter attack then play long balls up to the forward.

    I would go with Crouch as Inters two center backs are small

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    [moderator hat off] Look, Mr. Alan, honestly, as much as you love Liverpool, your mindless propaganda spouting isn't actually discussion.

    The fact of the matter is, Liverpool are probably 5th favourites of the teams left. As good as they have been in the CL in recent years, the fact remains that they are a far inferior team to United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Barca. The records this season show that.

    They *may* raise their game against United but although they've done it against Chelsea in recent CL years, they were very uninspiring and Mourhino's tactics helped them.

    Hold on a second - "far inferior", if that is your opinion it is way off. Much as many may think that Liverpool are languishing at the level of Derby, this is not the case. (Yes, Derby are far inferior). Liverpool are in the league 5 points behind Chelsea. That is not 'far inferior'. The gap to Arsenal and Man Utd is also not 'far inferior'. Liverpool are on the cusp of being in the last-8 of the CL. That is not 'far inferior'.

    Chelsea will readily admit, staff and players alike, that Liverpool beat them fair and square and deservingly in their recent CL match-ups.

    And by the way, I dont think Mr Alan is mindless ....

    Perhaps you'd be better keeping your moderator hat on .... or take your own advice - proper discussion.

    Redspider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    As a UTD fan ,
    I have an unexplainable fear of drawing Chelsea,

    As for drawing Barca/Roma ( If we really have too ) would be Hard but OK once the second leg is a home.

    Inter if they make it would be a very hard tie and again I would be hoping for second leg at home

    Arsenal would be the hardest draw IMO
    .
    Fenerbache would be easier but I think any team would like to avoid that away leg if they can.


    Schalke or Liverpool would be my Ideal draw One because its the weakest team remanding in the comp and the other because (par one outstanding striker ) we would not have much to fear and more important to finally put them in their place and shut up one or two people once and for all
    Yes ye may have done this and that in Europe for the last four years BUT YE NEVER HAD TO PLAY UTD


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    BUT YE NEVER HAD TO PLAY UTD[/I]

    thats cause ye keep getting knocked out all the time! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Chelsea to win it imo

    Shut up with the Pool are better in Europe United better in PL. What a load of cock. This season Liverpool failed to win their first 3 games, while United got 16 (i think) points from their group. bla bla their group was easier, thats debatable.

    PL means nothing? Dont be silly. When/If Liverpool win the league every United (and Arsenal,Chelsea,Spurs,Halifax) fan will hear about it. It will be up there with 2005 as the greatest year.

    Feckin stupid arguments...I've read some bull in this thread so far. So bad it smells.

    is it a case of I wanna say stupid things, postcount ++ or I like to get up peoples nostrils??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    Yes ye may have done this and that in Europe for the last four years BUT YE NEVER HAD TO PLAY UTD

    Cos clearly Utd are the benchmark team in Europe :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    this thread is becoming more annoying to sift through each time i read

    in a cup game anyone can beat anyone, simple as....its also why i feel its irrelevant who we draw, you have to rise to the occasion and beat whats put in front of you

    Liverpool have as much chance as Barca or Fenerbache at knocking United out if we are drawn together, Im expecting to get Arsenal however

    I will be confident no matter who we draw, when we play with a good tempo and with confidence we can beat anyone

    but for people trying to say it would make a difference as its europe and not the prem i will say this, WTF are you smoking????

    it will be different cuz its a cup comp, but thats it, united wont change a proven way of beating teams cuz its the champs league, they wont over compensate for the other teams abilitys by hampering our own attacking threat, if the way to beat Liverpool is 2 strikers up top then thats what will happen, as has happened in the league

    the need for an anchorman was obviously felt needed against Lyon, now i think it was giving them too much respect but i understand the decision also when there were guys like Junninho, Ben Arfa and Benzema on the pitch who you dont exactly want to have too much time and space, which united accomplished. their attacking threats were taking out of the game by the formation and tactic united used, im not so sure it was necessary but we got through so i accept it

    the need for an anchorman wouldnt be necessary v liverpool imo, as it hasnt been needed before, they simply dont have the players to really hit a team on the break fast so we can attack more freely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    kryogen wrote: »
    united wont change a proven way of beating teams cuz its the champs league

    Have you watched Utd in Europe under Ferguson just out of curiousity?!:eek:


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The more I read threads like this one the more I am starting to think that the idea of a Liverpool forum wasnt such a bad idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Yea, Liverpool fans are smug, check out the poll results :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    will you just STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The more I read threads like this one the more I am starting to think that the idea of a Liverpool forum wasnt such a bad idea.

    I agree. Can we cut out the bickering? Ah whats the point! Custard


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Have you watched Utd in Europe under Ferguson just out of curiousity?!:eek:



    ugh, he who needs everything explained bit by bit, ok what i meant by that one ****ing line exactly was, Alex Ferguson knows how to play and beat Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal, he plays different systems against each and sometimes they work sometimes they dont.... against liverpool for the past 3 years we have been very successful. basically Benitez is Fergusons bitch, and why would any sane person (this leaves you out Alan) think Ferguson would change his tactics because of the competition(UEFA Champions League) when its a proven way of beating them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Ok then Kryogen, why does Ferguson change around Utds winning formula every time Utd play in Europe so?


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  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Yea, Liverpool fans are smug, check out the poll results :)

    I dont take any notice of polls, I just read the posts ;)

    The more i come on here the more i think it'd be better if the 2 sets of fans were kept in entirely different forums, I mean NOTHIN can be discussed ehre without someone havin a go, and then 20 people havin handbags with their "we" are better than "you" bull, its a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Ok then Kryogen, why does Ferguson change around Utds winning formula every time Utd play in Europe so?
    Easy, can I answer?

    Because these are Continental teams.

    Ferguson knows how to beat Benitez, that much is clear.

    Why would Ferguson change the winning formula that he has used to beat Benitez.

    The competition doesn't matter.

    Anyway, they haven't even drawn each other.:rolleyes:


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Ok then Kryogen, why does Ferguson change around Utds winning formula every time Utd play in Europe so?

    Cos he's lost the bottle to play like that after gettin a hidin off Madrid a few years back and clearly feels "light" or "exposed" in the middle.


    Bar Milan last year, when he went out to attack them at the San Siro, United havent taken a hiding off anyone in Europe since that game. They have been uninspriing, lost stupid games and looked downright rubbish in a lot of games, but they havent been slaughtered by anyone. So he's got it about 50% right. But for me the loss of the other 50% i.e the attacking threat, isnt worth losing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    i explained this already..im not repeating everything i say or explaining every little detail just for you, read my posts again and you'll understand eventually i hope

    he changes tactics for the same reason every manager does, he feels he has to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Listen Al, face it. Liverpool are pants when they came up against Utd. Fergie has the complete upper hand in the clashes. Last 12 games between the teams= Man Utd 9 Liverpool 2 Draw 1. Liverpool have scored just 4 goals in those 12 matches. Still confident?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    DesF wrote: »
    Because these are Continental teams.

    Wrong Desmond, its because Ferguson thinks that in order to win the CL, you need to play with 1 up top, he has proven this by defying all his critics and doing it all the time Europe. I'd be willing to bet he'll do the same against us if we beat Inter and draw Utd.

    Note: i am not ACTUALLY willing to bet, i already have lost enough bets this season :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    DesF wrote: »
    Easy, can I answer?

    Because these are Continental teams.

    Ferguson knows how to beat Benitez, that much is clear.

    Why would Ferguson change the winning formula that he has used to beat Benitez.

    The competition doesn't matter.

    Anyway, they haven't even drawn each other.:rolleyes:

    now thats exactly what i said to him twice already just using different words, hope your tactic succeed against him!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    kryogen wrote: »
    now thats exactly what i said to him twice already just using different words, hope your tactic succeed against him!!!!
    It didn't :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    LOL

    cup comps are different pighead. most people agree with that. since rafa arrived, we have met Utd once in a cup competition. and we won.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Wrong Desmond, its because Ferguson thinks that in order to win the CL, you need to play with 1 up top, he has proven this by defying all his critics and doing it all the time Europe. I'd be willing to bet he'll do the same against us if we beat Inter and draw Utd.

    Note: i am not ACTUALLY willing to bet, i already have lost enough bets this season :)

    you are actually becoming pathetic, ok so, a manger who has been in a job pretty successfully for 20 years doesnt know how to adapt or change? really, listen to yourself sometimes

    he thinks an anchorman in midfield is required for some teams, he doesnt feel that way about Liverpool, that is quite obvius at this stage so why would anyone think he will use one! cept you, who lives in his own world of course:)


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