Collusion Online

Shivverz

How can you put a finger on it? What can you do about it? Has anyone ever even been caught? I experienced blatant collusion last night in an EPT Step5.
EPT STEP 5 GAME NUMBER 79690928
3 Players left.
Jorj95 is shortstack with less than 2k in chips.
Everytime its my bigblind Jorj95 folds on button and Sir-Winalot9 pushes allin.
Everytime I raise I get called by Sir-Winalot9.
Everytime shortstack raises allin bigblind folds and stacks up shortstack every time!
The most blatant collusion I have ever seen in poker.
What should one do when they suspect/know players are colluding?

HoLLLLLaments

Shivverz wrote: »

How can you put a finger on it? What can you do about it? Has anyone ever even been caught? I experienced blatant collusion last night in an EPT Step5.
EPT STEP 5 GAME NUMBER 79690928
3 Players left.
Jorj95 is shortstack with less than 2k in chips.
Everytime its my bigblind Jorj95 folds on button and Sir-Winalot9 pushes allin.
Everytime I raise I get called by Sir-Winalot9.
Everytime shortstack raises allin bigblind folds and stacks up shortstack every time!
The most blatant collusion I have ever seen in poker.
What should one do when they suspect/know players are colluding?

email support. thats all you can do.

HUSH HUSH

tbh, and thats no consolation, most steps type ladders and sngs in general are rife with this carryon. :mad:

This one seems fairly blatant and if you contact support and complain they may disqualify the two of them.

I do know that in a similiar situation for an ept qualifier in 05 on PPP there was collusion like this. 3 players left, 2 seats and the big stack chip dumped to one stack and bullied the other. The two of them were disqualified

KINGofHEARTS

Shivverz wrote: »

How can you put a finger on it? What can you do about it? Has anyone ever even been caught? I experienced blatant collusion last night in an EPT Step5.
EPT STEP 5 GAME NUMBER 79690928
3 Players left.
Jorj95 is shortstack with less than 2k in chips.
Everytime its my bigblind Jorj95 folds on button and Sir-Winalot9 pushes allin.
Everytime I raise I get called by Sir-Winalot9.
Everytime shortstack raises allin bigblind folds and stacks up shortstack every time!
The most blatant collusion I have ever seen in poker.
What should one do when they suspect/know players are colluding?

Its not colluding, the shortstack was folding his button therefore giving up the best position on the table, correct ??? So when he pushes All In he isn't gonna get called unless the caller has a very strong hand, cos it's obvious he'll be ahead
But when you raise the bigstack could be calling you with a good hand ... ever think of that ??? do you think he's gonna lose a load of chips to you pointlessly,
He also knows that your not gonna want to go out before the shortstack and therefore can bully you on flops

HUSH HUSH

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

Its not colluding, the shortstack was folding his button therefore giving up the best position on the table, correct ??? So when he pushes All In he isn't gonna get called unless the caller has a very strong hand, cos it's obvious he'll be ahead
But when you raise the bigstack could be calling you with a good hand ... ever think of that ??? do you think he's gonna lose a load of chips to you pointlessly,
He also knows that your not gonna want to go out before the shortstack and therefore can bully you on flops

And this is the reason why its is nigh on impossible to prove collusion. It can look completely different from another perspective.

As long as the colluders "box clever" they will always be able to have some rational explanation as to their actions. You can't force someone to call a bet.

Shivverz

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

Its not colluding, the shortstack was folding his button therefore giving up the best position on the table, correct ??? So when he pushes All In he isn't gonna get called unless the caller has a very strong hand, cos it's obvious he'll be ahead
But when you raise the bigstack could be calling you with a good hand ... ever think of that ??? do you think he's gonna lose a load of chips to you pointlessly,
He also knows that your not gonna want to go out before the shortstack and therefore can bully you on flops

Oh it most certainly was. We were three handed for the best part of 60/70 hands and the shortstack did not showdown one hand, constantly pushing into the BB and getting folded to. The only leg I had to stand on was when the button folded and I could raise the shorty.

mickc

i havent played steps on pokerstars but what sort of blinds was there that allowed play 3 handed for 60-70 hands?

you didnt find a hand in 60 hands to call the bigstack?

doesnt sound right to me

KINGofHEARTS

mickc wrote: »

i havent played steps on pokerstars but what sort of blinds was there that allowed play 3 handed for 60-70 hands?

you didnt find a hand in 60 hands to call the bigstack?

doesnt sound right to me

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I think (and dont take this the wrong way Shiverz) but most people that complain of collusion its just from sour grapes IMO, I found myself doing it after bubbling SnG's

Shivverz

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

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I think (and dont take this the wrong way Shiverz) but most people that complain of collusion its just from sour grapes IMO, I found myself doing it after bubbling SnG's

Yes, 10 minute blinds, the button hit me around 20 times.
I called his preflop push with AK beaten by his AJ, this is what crippled me.
Not sour grapes, just blatant collusion, anyone in my position would have agreed, suppose you had to be playing.
Anyways its being looked into:

Thank you for your mail. Based on a preliminary review of the situation you reported, I have requested a complete review of the players involved. This will include checking on relationships, location and play. Depending on our findings, the players may be contacted and asked to explain relationships and/or play. The entire process generally takes 7 to 10 days, but can be delayed if we don't receive prompt responses. The poker specialist handling this review will contact you directly when the review is complete or if there are unusual delays. Thank you for your patience while we complete this process and thank you for reporting this event. Regards, Stephen T.PokerStars Support Team

mickc

let us know how u get on.

LuckyLloyd

Stars have a good record with this sort of thing and have actually taken action to disqualify people in the past. They'll look at all the hands and if they see nasty patterns you will be compensated.

Shivverz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Stars have a good record with this sort of thing and have actually taken action to disqualify people in the past. They'll look at all the hands and if they see nasty patterns you will be compensated.

Cool! I hope so LuckyLoyd! Ever happened to yourself online at all?

HoLLLLLaments

Shivverz wrote: »

Cool! I hope so LuckyLoyd! Ever happened to yourself online at all?

if it did hed still win. Hed probly win both seats

eoin-dubh

Shivverz wrote: »

How can you put a finger on it? What can you do about it? Has anyone ever even been caught? I experienced blatant collusion last night in an EPT Step5.
EPT STEP 5 GAME NUMBER 79690928
3 Players left.
Jorj95 is shortstack with less than 2k in chips.
Everytime its my bigblind Jorj95 folds on button and Sir-Winalot9 pushes allin.
Everytime I raise I get called by Sir-Winalot9.
Everytime shortstack raises allin bigblind folds and stacks up shortstack every time!
The most blatant collusion I have ever seen in poker.
What should one do when they suspect/know players are colluding?

If it's the same sir winalot-9 from Arendal (Southern Norway).........it's a deffo cheat

eoin-dubh

sorry...Arendel (Norway)

Shivverz

eoin-dubh wrote: »

sorry...Arendel (Norway)

Yes it is! Arendal, did you have a problem with this guy?

eoin-dubh

Him and his gang usually ply their trade on the $3/$6-$5-$10 omaha short handed omaha tables on certain microgaming sites

LuckyLloyd

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

if it did hed still win. Hed probly win both seats

eh, lol?

rx8

I just wached this guy win a step 6 game,and to tell the truth it looked as if something was up.It was down to three-handed he would bet,other player would raise him,he goes all-in for not much more and the raiser folds, without hardly a thought.
Now I know the prize is quite large but sometimes you are just too committed to fold,and this happened twice when it was 3-handed.
It was as if he had 2 hands and was moving chips from one to the other to set up the
3rd. guy.
He's playing a 2nd one now, gonna watch it for a while!

Requiem4adream

I'd be astonished if this was collusion tbh. Are you saying they colluded the whole sng or just 3 handed? If you think about it, it's not very likely someone from Norway would collude with someone from Phoenix, Arizona purely for the 3 handed part of a sng - they'd either be at it the whole time or not at all.

What may have happened (probably) is this - they looked up each other's stats and saw both were highly successful and decided to pick on the "noob". sw9 +150k on sharkscope, Jorj +45k.... i'm not sure your stats m8 but it's entirely possible they made a tactical decision to go after you.

Phil-Dublin

how do i look up this sharkscope thing on people, including myself?

mickc

http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html

click search database,

enter the name you are interested in and the network and click search


you get 5 free searches a day, you have to pay for more.

The Clamper

THE WORST COLLUSION OR RATHER ATTEMPTED COLLUSION I EVER EXPERIENCED WAS IN A SAT FOR THE EPT IN DUBLIN (JACKPOT)

I GETS DOGGED ON THE SMALL BLIND WITH A MORON CALLING MY QQ WITH 89s AND THE NEXT HAND I MOVE ALL IN SHORTSTACKED WITH kj
sb says to the bb, i am gonna call this, so should you and we can check him down

I WAS FLABBERGHASTED, and said, THATS OUTRAGEOUS, YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FOR THAT, YOU FRENCH FOOL
the other players are appalled
i dont bother calling for a ruling, i know already what the outcome should be and decided to let it go and not let it get me on tilt

bb, says to the french man, YOU ARE A FOOL FOR SAYING THAT, I HAVE A MONSTER HAND BUT NOW I CANT CALL AS I WONT BE ACCUSED OF COLLUSION ,and turns over a pair of kings, folding
very honorable (he goes on to win a seat)
I hit the case king and win the hand, and go on to win a seat,

i asked Thomas Kremser the following day, what would have been his decision on that behaviour

he said, YES, WELL WE ALL KNOW IT GOES ON AND THAT IS AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED GOOD PLAY, BUT SO LONG AS NOTHING IS SAID OPENLY, IT IS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, HOWEVER IN A CASE WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY SPOKEN, HE WOULD ALLOW THE HAND TO PLAY OUT AND THEN PUNISH THE ATTEMPTED COLLUDER, MAYBE A 20 MIN BAN FROM THE TABLE AND A SEVERE TALKING TO

as you can imagine, later on when i knocked the French guy out, i took pleaseure in it, offered my hand saying, hard luck, but he refused to shake, a complete ignoramus

LuckyLloyd

French players annoy me. :mad: