The Minraise in ipoker Tournaments (Low content wonderment)

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

coz minraise is set as the standard 'bet' amount?

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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ollyk1

They've clearly been watching Rory Liffey and taking notes. :rolleyes:

phantom_lord

They most likely do it as they want to see a "cheap flop" but if they limp they'll be facing an isolation raise, if they min raise people usually just call behind or fold.

phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Damn internet kids with their abbreviations. What with the who now?

nm, i posted before i read your op, doubt it will work pre anyway.

Iago

I only ever minraise when I have AA-KK and I always show afterwards. That way I can be sure that everyone knows I only do this with premium hands and will therefore not dog me by calling with semi-decent hands. I've found this to be a very effective tactic, on the rare occasions where the players are unfamiliar with my style and decide to re-raise me I immediately push all-in regardless of stack and blind sizes and look to "take it down" early.



In all seriousness though, the general standard on iPoker is shocking, I've long since stopped being shocked or amazed by any of the numbskull play I see on there. The answer given above is as good as any, it's a button to click on and therefore they click on it.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

obv, the good players make their standard raise size to be between 2.4x and 2.7x the BB - but this is very deliberate.

You are making a fundamental error in attribution of assigning your own prejudices and thought processes to an unknown quantity. It is very likely that they do not see the subtle difference between a 2.4* and 3.4* BB raise and therefore, extending that admitted assumption to its logical conclusion, they do not see any difference in any raise within possibly 7 to 8 times the BB. Ultimately to them, it is quite conceivable, a raise is a raise.

nicnicnic

I'd say that the standard preflop raise is getting smaller in general, I've noticed on stars many of the better mtt players raise 2.25/2.75 bbs as standard. I know what your saying about ipoker I've been playing stts there recently and every other raise is a min. It is in fact causing me some problems from the BB, I know i should never fold ATC but by calling your forced to play bad cards OOP and while I was doing it for a while you cant really shove over the min every time it happens as it occurs so often

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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PiperT

Hi Lloyd

This min-raise stuff does my head in to be honest. Its the same on iPoker cash (1/2) as well as MTTs. The only place I don't really see it as much is SNG's until the later stages where blinds are up around 150/300 - 200/400 level.

Why do they do it ? I can only really assume that most of them have no idea what they are doing but I have noticed some guys doing it persistently and using it as a means to building/stealing lots of small (but juicy enough) pots.

Nevertheless it bugs the crap out of me. I just re-raise the hell out of them and never ever flat call their poxy bets.

Iago

nicnicnic wrote: »

It is in fact causing me some problems from the BB, I know i should never fold ATC but by calling your forced to play bad cards OOP and while I was doing it for a while you cant really shove over the min every time it happens as it occurs so often

Amen to that, I've had the same issue myself. On the plus side "most"* of these players seem to like a preflop minraise, followed by a weak flop bet followed by a fold to a reasonable turn bet regardless of board texture.






[size=-12]* not guaranteed to work, Iago inc. is not responsible for any money lost by attempting to replicate this tactic. remember kids, don't try this at home![/size]

phantom_lord

calling from the bb and donking loads of flops works too.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Keith, I think you have misinterpreted my post. The reality is that 95% of the biggest fulltime MTT professionals standard openraise for anywhere between 2.4 - 2.7x the BB as tournaments progress. So at blinds of 5k / 10k their opening size irrespective of hand or position would be something like 24444.

Possibly I am still misunderstanding, is your opening post attempting to justify the reasoning of the fish or the big fulltime MTT players?

If it is the fish then I think my post stands as a reasonable reply. If it is the MTT specialists I won't be much help, I am afraid I am only qualified to comment on the fish mate:p

nicnicnic

Iago wrote: »

Amen to that, I've had the same issue myself. On the plus side "most"* of these players seem to like a preflop minraise, followed by a weak flop bet followed by a fold to a reasonable turn bet regardless of board texture.






[size=-12]* not guaranteed to work, Iago inc. is not responsible for any money lost by attempting to replicate this tactic. remember kids, don't try this at home![/size]

Yeah was discussing this with a mate the other night and he suggests calling pre floating anyflop and leading or C/R the turn, I was convinced that it was a button( the default raise ) thing but talking to the same mate who plays on prima it is endemic there to esp at the latter stages of mtts

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

My opening post specifically refers to the tendancy of opening pots preflop with a minraise in MTTs on ipoker.

My bad. With you now.

nicnicnic

nicnicnic wrote: »

Yeah was discussing this with a mate the other night and he suggests calling pre floating anyflop and leading or C/R the turn, I was convinced that it was a button( the default raise ) thing but talking to the same mate who plays on prima it is endemic there to esp at the latter stages of mtts

I should add that taking such Lines are grand when anyway deep and a minraise should never be a problem when playing deep. for me the problem occurs in turbo stts where your playing 7/9 bbs. I'd imagine its similar in mtts at the latter stages of mtts on ipoker; I play very few on ipoker but a few weeks ago i was CL with 12 left in a 50k guarantee and I had 15 bbs. Now say were playing 7 bbs on the bb with 92os, I have a problem with the best line here, I'm prepared to give up to a std raise but know that I should be calling a min. However I don't really want to call but I cant push this **** all the time as opponents soon cop on

DeadParrot

phantom_lord wrote: »

, if they min raise people usually just call behind or fold.

exactly

DeadParrot

phantom_lord wrote: »

calling from the bb and donking loads of flops works too.

also true
particularly a 'perceived' rubbish flop

DeadParrot

Iago wrote: »

Amen to that, I've had the same issue myself. On the plus side "most"* of these players seem to like a preflop minraise, followed by a weak flop bet followed by a fold to a reasonable turn bet regardless of board texture.

this line is only really effective when anyway deep
the standard >12bb hands on later stages of Ipoker tourneys you'll get looked up very often