Modern games feature 'virtual rape', MP tells Parliament

Absolam

BBFC disputes Keith Vaz’s claims during debate over Private Member’s Bill
MP for Leciester East Keith Vaz has put forward the questionable claim that players can “rape women” in modern games to Parliament.

Vaz was speaking in support of of Conservative MP Julian Brazier’s Private Member’s Bill on Friday – which seeks to introduce an official governmental body that can challenge BBFC rulings.

According to Spong, Vaz stated:

“People who are watching a film at the cinema cannot participate in what is happening on the screen, or if they do they are removed from the cinema.

"However, someone sitting at a computer playing a video game, or someone with one of those small devices that young people have these days, the name of which I forget… PlayStations or PSPs, something of that kind."Well, whatever they are called, when people play these things, they can interact. They can shoot people; they can kill people. As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."

Vaz’s claims were questioned by Tory MP for Wantage Edward Vaizey.

He told Parliament: "...the right honourable Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), who chairs the Home Affairs Committee, mentioned that some video games allow the participant to engage in a rape act...

"I checked the point with the BBFC and found it to be completely unaware of any such video game.

"Is the honourable Gentleman aware of any video game that has as its intention the carrying out of rape or that allows the game player to carry out such an act? The BBFC and I are unaware of any such game."

So.. the informed debate carries on!!

Melion

God help us all when GTA comes out

kaimera

/me signs up to Second Life

Crucifix

There is a game called Battle Raper or something on the PSP I think. Though it's probably not out over these parts.

johnny_adidas

I see our friends in government across the water are prepared to spout out the first thing that comes to mind, akin to one of our own's recent lightbulb moment of swapping ours roads to match the continent

must say i had a WTF moment when i found the 3 maidens in the jacuzzi in god of war recently. funnily enough i was prepared to make several attempts at completing the process, whereas in real life i usually doze off after my first attempt

L31mr0d

pretty much if this becomes a law and bans any game you can be guaranteed it will be in Japanese so we won't have to worry about it.

Stark

Crucifix wrote: »

There is a game called Battle Raper or something on the PSP I think. Though it's probably not out over these parts.

lol

Maybe Mr. Vaz found some special cheat codes that noone else knows about.

Stephen

One wonders how such utter ****wits can get elected.

Karl Hungus

Ok, is there any game that has something even remotely like rape that the player can take part in? I'm baffled here.

mayordenis

nothing that is out over here afaik, i suppose you can half convince women to have sex with you in mass effect but not really.

o1s1n

Crucifix wrote: »

There is a game called Battle Raper or something on the PSP I think. Though it's probably not out over these parts.

Battle Raper is a Japanese beat em up for PC similar to Soul Calibur. The more they fight, the more their clothes fall off. There's no rape in it.

It's made by a Japanese company called Illusion. They specify in high quality 'adult games'..most of them are just straight forward fare. Virtual girl type things. There's one called Rapelay though where you have to stalk a family of girls and eventually rape them.

Anyway, it's all far too obscure and eastern to be known by the BBFC others concerned with the content of games.

Branoic

Absolam wrote: »

Vaz’s claims were questioned by Tory MP for Wantage Edward Vaizey.

He told Parliament: "...the right honourable Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), who chairs the Home Affairs Committee, mentioned that some video games allow the participant to engage in a rape act...

"I checked the point with the BBFC and found it to be completely unaware of any such video game.

"Is the honourable Gentleman aware of any video game that has as its intention the carrying out of rape or that allows the game player to carry out such an act? The BBFC and I are unaware of any such game."

Lol, Mr Vaz got pwned by Vaizey!!!111!

Shiminay

Aye, Rapelay sprung to mind upon reading that, but in truth, it's obscure and Japanese and not likely to be stocked in your local Game

Gizzle

Kharn wrote: »

Aye, Rapelay sprung to mind upon reading that, but in truth, it's obscure and Japanese and not likely to be stocked in your local Game

Gamespot?

BlitzKrieg

“People who are watching a film at the cinema cannot participate in what is happening on the screen, or if they do they are removed from the cinema.

"However, someone sitting at a computer playing a video game, or someone with one of those small devices that young people have these days, the name of which I forget… PlayStations or PSPs, something of that kind."Well, whatever they are called, when people play these things, they can interact. They can shoot people; they can kill people. As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."

*sigh*

Why is it that everyone latches onto the control element as the reason why games are so dangerous. its a load of bollocks.

Its actually the controls that are grounding video games in reality.

The sheer bluntness of pressing X to shoot enforces the notion of a barrier between reality and what is on the screen.

This is further enhanced by the *pillers* of videogames, Lifebars, Scores, HUD...etc

Video Games do so much more then films to ground the player constantly that the line between fiction and reality is always there.


Films are much more influential, not that film's are dangerous but they do have a greater effect on the viewer then a video game has on a gamer. I think there's a book by Parker Tyler on how in the cinema the lack of control and the uninterrupted link between viewer and film has an imense effect on the viewer.

Maximilian

Anyone play the new World of Leather & Sharpened Ingots® expansion for Microsoft Rape Simulator 2008 yet? How do I turn off the HDR? Blood shouldn't be that shiny? Also, can you re-map the keys? Can't seem to map the impregnate key to anything other than INS.

KoKane

I become so enraged when reading this tripe...

Seriously...

Insulting such a large population of people by implying we are mere cavemen with a monkey see monkey do attitude..

**** off and die in a car fire after your airbags fail!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


oh and re-read this:

someone with one of those small devices that young people have these days, the name of which I forget… PlayStations or PSPs, something of that kind."Well, whatever they are called,

Seriously WTF!!! :mad::mad::mad:

KoKane

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

*sigh*

Why is it that everyone latches onto the control element as the reason why games are so dangerous. its a load of bollocks.

Its actually the controls that are grounding video games in reality.

The sheer bluntness of pressing X to shoot enforces the notion of a barrier between reality and what is on the screen.

This is further enhanced by the *pillers* of videogames, Lifebars, Scores, HUD...etc

Video Games do so much more then films to ground the player constantly that the line between fiction and reality is always there.


Films are much more influential, not that film's are dangerous but they do have a greater effect on the viewer then a video game has on a gamer. I think there's a book by Parker Tyler on how in the cinema the lack of control and the uninterrupted link between viewer and film has an imense effect on the viewer.

Nicely put. Thank you, lol.

Zombrex

Absolam wrote: »

BBFC disputes Keith Vaz’s claims during debate over Private Member’s Bill
MP for Leciester East Keith Vaz has put forward the questionable claim that players can “rape women” in modern games to Parliament.

In other news the British Parliament has moved to out law what is commonly known in scientific circles as "reality", as it has been determined by various government experts that it is now possible to rape and murder people in "reality"

When ask was it necessary to punish all participants in "reality" for the possible actions of a small, sick, minority, MP for Leicester East Keith "The Bulldog" Vaz replied "Yes, yes it is. It is the only way to protect our children"

From next Wednesday "reality" will have to be approved by the BBFC, and may be censored if interaction is deemed inappropriate. "Reality" will only be shown after 9pm

K.O.Kiki

In other news, low-bit politician does not know what (s)he is talking about, tells blatant lies & spreads misinformation.
More at 11.

Rhyme

o1s1n wrote: »

Battle Raper is a Japanese beat em up for PC similar to Soul Calibur. The more they fight, the more their clothes fall off. There's no rape in it.

No rape. Just rubbing some semi-naked unconscious girls.

CCCP^

If there was a game were you could rape women I think I would have played it by now. Several times in fact. Possibly if it came on a handheld I would go to the park and play it.

Fnz

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Its actually the controls that are grounding video games in reality.

The sheer bluntness of pressing X to shoot enforces the notion of a barrier between reality and what is on the screen.

This is further enhanced by the *pillers* of videogames, Lifebars, Scores, HUD...etc

Video Games do so much more then films to ground the player constantly that the line between fiction and reality is always there.


Films are much more influential, not that film's are dangerous but they do have a greater effect on the viewer then a video game has on a gamer. I think there's a book by Parker Tyler on how in the cinema the lack of control and the uninterrupted link between viewer and film has an imense effect on the viewer.

I disagree!




.... see sig

Spyral

someone with one of those smelly devices that the iraqis have these days, the name of which I forget… smellygas or sarin, something of that kind.Well, whatever they are called.

If it wouldnt wash for that why does it wash for computer games?

monkeyfudge

Was the native American girl in Custer's Revenge on the Atari 2600 consenting to sexual relations with Custer?

TheDoc

+1 for a politcal based game

ive always wanted to play an arsehole

BlitzKrieg

Fnz wrote: »

I disagree!




.... see sig

wait do you agree or disagree? your sig is saying the same thing I am saying?

or is this sarcasm in the highest?

stevenmu

So does this mean that video games are responsible for all the people being killed, maimed, tortured and yes even raped in Iraq, and not the politicians after all ?

I would have thought that sitting at home in my arm chair playing video games was far less harmfull than being a politician sending soldiers into a foreign country, but I guess I was wrong, this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

Kiith

stevenmu wrote: »

So does this mean that video games are responsible for all the people being killed, maimed, tortured and yes even raped in Iraq, and not the politicians after all?

Well, it would be silly to blame people for that. Its obviously the games. Those evil, evil games.

TheDoc

but seriously, games have such a bad inlfuence, they make me do things


yesterday me and my mates where running around a carpark throwing huge balls of bluetac at each other with blackcats inside shouting

" haha stuck you"


(i just got a real urge to actually do this, haha)

tman

Absolam wrote: »

Vaz’s claims were questioned by Tory MP for Wantage Edward Vaizey.

That guy is my new hero... Not only is he pretty much the only MP out there who would be prepared to shoot a claim like this down, he also has a badass job title!

Fnz

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

wait do you agree or disagree? your sig is saying the same thing I am saying?

Yes!

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

or is this sarcasm in the highest?

T'was more an outright fabrication than sarcasm! I'm not down with scapegoating so wanted to point folk to the research you seemed to be quoting.

thelordofcheese

Spyral wrote: »

someone with one of those smelly devices that the iraqis have these days, the name of which I forget… smellygas or sarin, something of that kind.Well, whatever they are called.

If it wouldnt wash for that why does it wash for computer games?

Because computer games aren't important in comparison to gassing a bucket load of Kurds? Madness, I know, but that might just be it.

Jesus, can't we go more than a month without some other non-story about people who don't understand the intricacies of our pastime being ridiculed as some sort of well dressed vegetable who is incapable of basic thought due to not knowing the difference between a psp and an ps2.

Maybe the guy has a point, as crazy as that might sound.
I'd be more interested in what the proposal actually is rather than how he put it.

BlitzKrieg

Fnz wrote: »

Yes!



T'was more an outright fabrication than sarcasm! I'm not down with scapegoating so wanted to point folk to the research you seemed to be quoting.

actually *heh* I was quoting film theory, its basic introduction to film and cinema papers. And also my own experiances.


I know video gaming is not a sport but it generates the same response as a sport does in the players when playing it online, especially in games like Counter Strike and other FPS.

Rhyme

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Was the native American girl in Custer's Revenge on the Atari 2600 consenting to sexual relations with Custer?

Being tied to a cactus should be enough foreplay.

DamoBrad

wot is this plonker on about?

rape in games... wot games...

this muppet is jus jumpin on the "i hate games and old people agree wit me" band wagon.. who probably thinks "The Godfather" is a game dedicated to family values and attending family meetings with olde granny ned.

in my opinion, games are a release for the user to block out the horrid outside world and for a brief while connect wit a perfect virtual world to gave fun and releave stress.. i love playin games and without playin games on my pc or xbox i feel broken cos its my stress relief...

i work as a freelance computer technician and lately i've been thinkin that customers in shops and such should be given an IQ test before allowin the purchase of certain products and such..

the other day i got a call from a client wantin to know if "he needed that sticker on the bottom of his laptop cos he felt he didn't need it and it was jus a buynch of numbers", i called out to find out that he was refferring to his Windows Vista Activiation Product key sticker.. and thus made me think...

why are dumb people allowed to buy anything.. hence my idea on an IQ test..

i play Splinter Cell and MAnhunt a lot but u don't see me hidin in the dark with a plastic bag or hangin from the ceilin waitin to interrogate someone on the location of their tea bags.. i thank u..

Cuddlesworth

DamoBrad wrote: »

wot is this plonker on about?

rape in games... wot games...

this muppet is jus jumpin on the "i hate games and old people agree wit me" band wagon.. who probably thinks "The Godfather" is a game dedicated to family values and attending family meetings with olde granny ned.

in my opinion, games are a release for the user to block out the horrid outside world and for a brief while connect wit a perfect virtual world to gave fun and releave stress.. i love playin games and without playin games on my pc or xbox i feel broken cos its my stress relief...

i work as a freelance computer technician and lately i've been thinkin that customers in shops and such should be given an IQ test before allowin the purchase of certain products and such..

the other day i got a call from a client wantin to know if "he needed that sticker on the bottom of his laptop cos he felt he didn't need it and it was jus a buynch of numbers", i called out to find out that he was refferring to his Windows Vista Activiation Product key sticker.. and thus made me think...

why are dumb people allowed to buy anything.. hence my idea on an IQ test..

i play Splinter Cell and MAnhunt a lot but u don't see me hidin in the dark with a plastic bag or hangin from the ceilin waitin to interrogate someone on the location of their tea bags.. i thank u..

Have you ever heard the phrase "Jack of all trades, Master of none". You can't expect somebody to know everything about anything, we have limits to how much we can learn. The politician is more then likely reading out what he has been told or read somewhere. He is wrong for not doing proper research, but the whole thing was probably a very small part or his day and not that important to him. Nowhere close to what it is to the average gamer.

On a side note, as a technician myself, if you continue to follow your current path you are never going to be happy at your job or any career progression after. You need to learn to accept that if everybody could use a computer your job would quickly become very defunct. And tbh, "Windows" and hardware support roles are not entirely difficult themselves and can pretty much be done by extremely average people. I should know, I work with quite a few of them. You should move to Linux/Unix, Citrix or Cisco if you want to look down on people.

Ciaran500

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Have you ever heard the phrase "Jack of all trades, Master of none". You can't expect somebody to know everything about anything, we have limits to how much we can learn. The politician is more then likely reading out what he has been told or read somewhere. He is wrong for not doing proper research, but the whole thing was probably a very small part or his day and not that important to him. Nowhere close to what it is to the average gamer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Vaz#Campaigns
Its not his first time campaigning against video games and its also not the first time he brought up false claims.

Either way he should not be bringing something like this up in parliament based on here say or anything he hasn't checked first.

koHd

Would you be offended if a game let you rape women?

Are you offended that GTA lets you murder innocent men/women/grannies/anybody you want?

I found my own reaction to seeing the word 'rape' and video game in the same sentence strange. It actually shocked and offended me. Yet somehow I'm ok with murdering random people in GTA heh

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well yes, sex is dirty, anything involving sex in any way is filthy and electronic sex is the work of the secular devil.

TheDoc

well what if in cod when you cornered your mans son, and instead of him going over the roof, you raped him...

wouldnt that make a much better game :P


(apologies to any male who may have been offended)