Number plates

IncredibleHulk

Can cops prosecute for no front number plate? I was told this is against the finance act so who prosecutes?

Seth Brundle

IIRC 'cops' don't prosecute - the state does. the gardai are there to enforce the law.

Wishbone Ash

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

Can cops prosecute for no front number plate? I was told this is against the finance act so who prosecutes?

It depends on the type of vehicle. A vehicle with only one front wheel is exempt from having to display a front plate. All other vehicles must display on if in a public place.

Statutory Instrument No. 311/1982 - Road Vehicles (Registration and Licencing) Regulations 1982


26. (1) The identification mark of a vehicle shall, until it is scrapped, destroyed or sent permanently out of the State, be exhibited on a rectangular plate or on an unbroken rectangular surface forming part of the vehicle and in each case the identification mark shall conform as to lettering, numbering and otherwise, with the provisions set out in the Third Schedule to these Regulations.

(2) Subject to the provisions of sub-article (3) of this article, the identification mark of a vehicle shall be exhibited in the case of a vehicle, which has only one front wheel, on the back of the vehicle and in the case of any other vehicle on the front of and on the back of the vehicle in a vertical or nearly vertical position, so that every letter or figure of the identification mark is vertical or nearly vertical and is easily distinguishable, in the case of the letters and figures placed on the front of the vehicle, from in front of the vehicle and in the case of the letters and figures placed on the back of the vehicle, from behind the vehicle.

(3) Where one or more trailers of any kind are attached to a vehicle, a duplicate of the identification mark assigned to such vehicle shall be exhibited on the back of the rearmost trailer in the manner that the identification mark is required to be exhibited upon the back of the vehicle.

(4) No figures or letters and no design or ornamentation shall be placed near to the identification mark in such manner as to render it more difficult to read or distinguish the identification mark of a vehicle or trailer when in motion.

IncredibleHulk

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It depends on the type of vehicle. A vehicle with only one front wheel is exempt from having to display a front plate. All other vehicles must display on if in a public place.

I know I am talking about cars with 4 wheels

Statutory Instrument No. 311/1982 - Road Vehicles (Registration and Licencing) Regulations 1982


26. (1) The identification mark of a vehicle shall, until it is scrapped, destroyed or sent permanently out of the State, be exhibited on a rectangular plate or on an unbroken rectangular surface forming part of the vehicle and in each case the identification mark shall conform as to lettering, numbering and otherwise, with the provisions set out in the Third Schedule to these Regulations.

(2) Subject to the provisions of sub-article (3) of this article, the identification mark of a vehicle shall be exhibited in the case of a vehicle, which has only one front wheel, on the back of the vehicle and in the case of any other vehicle on the front of and on the back of the vehicle in a vertical or nearly vertical position, so that every letter or figure of the identification mark is vertical or nearly vertical and is easily distinguishable, in the case of the letters and figures placed on the front of the vehicle, from in front of the vehicle and in the case of the letters and figures placed on the back of the vehicle, from behind the vehicle.

(3) Where one or more trailers of any kind are attached to a vehicle, a duplicate of the identification mark assigned to such vehicle shall be exhibited on the back of the rearmost trailer in the manner that the identification mark is required to be exhibited upon the back of the vehicle.

(4) No figures or letters and no design or ornamentation shall be placed near to the identification mark in such manner as to render it more difficult to read or distinguish the identification mark of a vehicle or trailer when in motion.

And the garda should enforce that?

Webmonkey

My Car has the proper number plate besides the fact the font isn't the standard.

Is this a problem? - Gaurds told me to remove it but to be honest its perfectly easy to read - Is this mentioned somewhere about the font having to be (What ever it is)

Esel

Webmonkey wrote: »

My Car has the proper number plate besides the fact the font isn't the standard.

Is this a problem? - Gaurds told me to remove it but to be honest its perfectly easy to read - Is this mentioned somewhere about the font having to be (What ever it is)

Black. Stroke width 10mm, height 70mm, width 36mm (except '1') afair. No actual font is stated.

Webmonkey

Interesting, my Stroke Width is 10mm (on average at least - bit curvy places) and width is above 36mm , roughly 40mm but height is only 60mm - It is quite readable, hate to go change them just for sake of few mm. It is quite clear to read, just the font isn't really the most standard.

IncredibleHulk

kbannon wrote: »

IIRC 'cops' don't prosecute - the state does. the gardai are there to enforce the law.

I know the garda prosecute on behalf of the state but I was told it was an offence against the finance act

x in the city

does that mean so that a funky robin reliant or whatever its called would need no plates...;)

Esel

Webmonkey wrote: »

Interesting, my Stroke Width is 10mm (on average at least - bit curvy places) and width is above 36mm , roughly 40mm but height is only 60mm - It is quite readable, hate to go change them just for sake of few mm. It is quite clear to read, just the font isn't really the most standard.

Deviations from standard measurements allowed are minimal (e.g. 1mm in 70mm). There are also specs for gap and hyphen sizes etc.

Webmonkey

esel wrote: »

Deviations from standard measurements allowed are minimal (e.g. 1mm in 70mm). There are also specs for gap and hyphen sizes etc.

Yep just read the whole lot there - they so specific. My number plate definitely doesn't comply with the specs

Esel

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

I know the garda prosecute on behalf of the state but I was told it was an offence against the finance act

Who else would you expect to be prosecuting you?

To answer your question - yes, they can and will prosecute you. Just get a plate and put it on.

testicle

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

I know the garda prosecute on behalf of the state but I was told it was an offence against the finance act

The Gardai don't prosecute you, the DPP does.

IncredibleHulk

esel wrote: »

Who else would you expect to be prosecuting you?

To answer your question - yes, they can and will prosecute you. Just get a plate and put it on.

I have a plate on the front and back. My question related to who should prosecute the idiots who do not? As stated I was told it was "an offence contrary to section 139 of the finance act 1992."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/act/pub/0009/sec0139.html#zza9y1992s139

I would have thought it would road traffic act and wasn't sure if the garda can prosecute for an offence under finance act

Esel

IncredibleHulk wrote:

I have a plate on the front and back.

My bad.

IncredibleHulk wrote:

My question related to who should prosecute the idiots who do not?

Do you have a particular idiot in mind? Can't remember the last time I saw a vehicle missing its front plate.

Wishbone Ash

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

I know I am talking about cars with 4 wheels

Your opening post didn't specify the type of vehicle. Don't get beligerant with us if you didn't place all the facts in front of us. Do you expect us to automatically presume the type of vehicle you refer to?

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

I know the garda prosecute on behalf of the state but I was told it was an offence against the finance act

The Finance Act refers to the actual registration of vehicles. The Statutory Instrument that I refer to above outlines what is required under this Act.

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

I have a plate on the front and back. My question related to who should prosecute the idiots who do not? As stated I was told it was "an offence contrary to section 139 of the finance act 1992."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/act/pub/0009/sec0139.html#zza9y1992s139

I would have thought it would road traffic act and wasn't sure if the garda can prosecute for an offence under finance act

A Statutory Instrument is generally made under an Act. In this case it would be the Finance Act as it refers to the registration of a vehicle.

IncredibleHulk

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Your opening post didn't specify the type of vehicle. Don't get beligerant with us if you didn't place all the facts in front of us. Do you expect us to automatically presume the type of vehicle you refer to?

The Finance Act refers to the actual registration of vehicles. The Statutory Instrument that I refer to above outlines what is required under this Act.

A Statutory Instrument is generally made under an Act. In this case it would be the Finance Act as it refers to the registration of a vehicle.

where was i beligerant?I know I am talking about cars with 4 wheels was clarification that is all, and online spats are not for me,

"Can cops prosecute for no front number plate? I was told this is against the finance act so who prosecutes? " The question was who prosecutes that is all. And i have seen more cars with no front plates than 3 wheels

Do you expect us to automatically presume the type of vehicle you refer to?

you automatically presumed it had 3 wheels. And who is us?

greglo23

it's a €1260 fine for incorrect number plates and its the Revenue Commissioners will fine you. you do'nt want to mess with those boys

IncredibleHulk

greglo23 wrote: »

it's a €1260 fine for incorrect number plates and its the Revenue Commissioners will fine you. you do'nt want to mess with those boys

Thanks for you reply. Does that mean it is not a garda matter at all

you do'nt want to mess with those boys

No intention of doing.I have plates back and front

Wishbone Ash

IncredibleHulk wrote: »

you automatically presumed it had 3 wheels

I outlined the regulations and at no point did I mention 3 wheels!!!

I specified that a vehicle with one front wheel was exempt from having to display a front plate in a public place. Where are you getting this '3 wheel' presumption?

You came on here looking for help but seem to be antagonistic to anyone offering assistance. What is your problem? :rolleyes:

IncredibleHulk

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I outlined the regulations and at no point did I mention 3 wheels!!!

I specified that a vehicle with one front wheel was exempt from having to display a front plate in a public place. Where are you getting this '3 wheel' presumption?

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You came on here looking for help but seem to be antagonistic to anyone offering assistance. What is your problem? :rolleyes:

You started the antagonism What is your problem? :rolleyes Grow up

gally

I,ve seen so many illegal and in some cases illegible plates(unless with a magnifier)that I,ve no pity if the culprits get fined severely!

Esel

esel wrote: »

Can't remember the last time I saw a vehicle missing its front plate.

Just goes to show:

Today in George's St D2 I saw a red Mazda MX5 with a modified front end (looked sh!te imo) with no front plate - nowhere to fit it. Reg on back was 9*-D-5